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Re: Rollback
« Reply #15 on: May 16, 2018, 07:02:41 AM »
Not the mission of an antivirus program:
Many people only back up important files, not systems.
Very clever - my running system is a bunch of very important files; without it I have no files at all ;-)
What abaout wasting time if your computer crashes?
If antivirus software can't stop the crash, what good is it? (Bolding mine)
I can understand your desire for avast to have a rollback feature, but avast's mission is to protect a system from malware infections, and it is not it's mission to repair damage from undetected malware it may miss.  I think that is what you are getting at here.

If avast blocks a malware from ever getting in, then it has fulfilled it's mission. 

The only true rollback feature that would always work is a full disk image.  Myriad reasons to restore a known good image other than an active infection, as DavidR has pointed out above.
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Re: Rollback
« Reply #16 on: May 16, 2018, 12:02:41 PM »
 
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Until a user loses all of their music, image, emails, data files do they have the lightbulb moment, what if they were backed up.
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How would I loose emails and how should I back-up emails??????

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Re: Rollback
« Reply #17 on: May 16, 2018, 12:23:25 PM »
How would I loose emails ?
A serious question?

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Re: Rollback
« Reply #18 on: May 16, 2018, 12:57:02 PM »
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how should I back-up emails?
If you use a mail client then it has a setting that say something like > leave mail on server
If you select this then you can access your mail account from webmail and find your mail(s) if deleted from your client

If you only use webmail and not a mailclient then it is not a problem

« Last Edit: May 16, 2018, 01:16:19 PM by Pondus »

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Re: Rollback
« Reply #19 on: May 16, 2018, 02:26:52 PM »
How would I loose emails ?
A serious question?

Email clients are generally open and that means your inbox folder/file is open if a system has a crash (for whatever reason), open files are in danger of corruption. 

Not to mention, depending on your avast settings, if you do an on-demand scan avast could be scanning your email, if avast can't extract the infected email then you could be at risk of the whole file being removed.  I have seen this recently in the forums and a rollback won't do a thing about that unless it was a full system rollback.

Whatever it is (emails, images, music, etc.), if you don't want to lose it, back it up.
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Re: Rollback
« Reply #20 on: May 16, 2018, 03:33:38 PM »
A regular image backup isn't hard and should be done on a regular basis.
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Re: Rollback
« Reply #21 on: May 27, 2018, 06:02:21 AM »
Not the mission of an antivirus program:
Many people only back up important files, not systems.
Very clever - my running system is a bunch of very important files; without it I have no files at all ;-)
What abaout wasting time if your computer crashes?
If antivirus software can't stop the crash, what good is it? (Bolding mine)
I can understand your desire for avast to have a rollback feature, but avast's mission is to protect a system from malware infections, and it is not it's mission to repair damage from undetected malware it may miss.  I think that is what you are getting at here.

If avast blocks a malware from ever getting in, then it has fulfilled it's mission. 

The only true rollback feature that would always work is a full disk image.  Myriad reasons to restore a known good image other than an active infection, as DavidR has pointed out above.
When avast is truly safe, talk about it

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Re: Rollback
« Reply #22 on: May 27, 2018, 06:03:52 AM »

Until a user loses all of their music, image, emails, data files do they have the lightbulb moment, what if they were backed up.
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How would I loose emails and how should I back-up emails??????
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Re: Rollback
« Reply #23 on: May 27, 2018, 06:08:24 AM »
Not the mission of an antivirus program:
Many people only back up important files, not systems.
Very clever - my running system is a bunch of very important files; without it I have no files at all ;-)
What abaout wasting time if your computer crashes?
If antivirus software can't stop the crash, what good is it? (Bolding mine)
I can understand your desire for avast to have a rollback feature, but avast's mission is to protect a system from malware infections, and it is not it's mission to repair damage from undetected malware it may miss.  I think that is what you are getting at here.

If avast blocks a malware from ever getting in, then it has fulfilled it's mission. 

The only true rollback feature that would always work is a full disk image.  Myriad reasons to restore a known good image other than an active infection, as DavidR has pointed out above.
Avast, however, does not protect against all malware

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Re: Rollback
« Reply #24 on: May 27, 2018, 03:29:04 PM »
Nothing protects 100% which is why you need to make regular backups. :)
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Re: Rollback
« Reply #25 on: May 27, 2018, 03:32:41 PM »
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Re: Rollback
« Reply #26 on: May 27, 2018, 03:58:36 PM »
Well, The 1st thing that I was told, way back in 2004, when I started using my PC was that the first 3 rules are....
1/. Back-up.
2/. Back-up.
3/. Back-up.

You can either use a free program such as "Macrium"
or do as I do & use ACRONIS TI.
It ain't free but the support is very good if you ever strike a problem.
I do weekly back-ups of my "C" drive to an external drive & it's saved my bacon once or twice.

So....It's entirely your choice as to which way you prefer to proceed.

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Re: Rollback
« Reply #27 on: May 27, 2018, 05:35:38 PM »
I have always followed the if you don't want to lose it, back it up.  I have been doing that for an extremely long time, I'm looking at the last paid version Drive Image from Power Quest, before Symantic/Norton bought them out and put the good bits into Norton Ghost.  That cost £39.99 quite a lot in 2002, I also bought their Partition Magic around the same time.

Prior to that I would be doing manual data backups of volatile files/folders with a small program called Mirror.  I still use that even now, several times a day I fire off a batch file with mirror commands to backup to a second drive.  My drive imaging software would also include that backup location.

In all of that time I have used it many times and not once as a result of a problem with Avast.  Some have been for minor issues, that I estimate would take longer to do manually than run the bootable restoration CD and point it at my backup location and last backup. 

I keep the last 6 drive image backups and I run it on Sundays and I'm just about to run it on my systems.
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Re: Rollback
« Reply #28 on: May 27, 2018, 05:48:27 PM »
As you can see, mine is almost finished. :)
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Re: Rollback
« Reply #29 on: May 27, 2018, 07:31:21 PM »
As you can see, mine is almost finished. :)


Yes I also use the windows backup(just done mine) on my win10 system and also create a System Repair Disc before and after any major Windows update such as the Creators, Fall, Spring update etc. 

I just fire it up and get on with something else, went out for a walk, great weather, hot but very humid, thunder expected later in the day.  So it really isn't that much of a chore and I can't understand why most people don't do it.
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