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Re: W10, Avast and the strength of Defender
« Reply #15 on: April 08, 2019, 05:15:04 PM »
3:  Routers are a bit weird as many are branded or made for a company based on the infrastructure of a different brand.  Avast often finds things like this and to all intents and purposes it looks like avast has got it wrong.  But that is somewhat hard to tell for sure.  However the underlying errors/notices you got ('your router isn't configured right', 'WEAK_PASS') could very well be correct.

I'm still unsure that the ftp error is directly related to your router and avast.  I don't know when this ftp error came up, but ftp is usually used via your browser, like the instances where avast users are asked to upload information to the avast ftp location.  Otherwise I can't see when it would be used. 

I don't know if this might be used by avast for some updates, VPS, streaming updates, etc.  Unfortunately I don't know exactly what the WiFi check included in the scan, but I have my doubts if would be checking ftp.

4:  The problem is that it is Windows itself that does the deactivation/activation of Windows Defender.  When you install a third party antivirus the Windows Defender Security Centre (I hate this name as I think it misleading), handles this not the AV.  The Windows Defender Security Centre should show details of the installed antivirus, mine shows no action required and I have Avast Antivirus installed. 

Below this is a Windows Defender Antivirus options, in mine I have turned the periodic scanning off for Windows Defender Antivirus.  Other than these periodic scans defender should be passive (not active). 

I haven't experienced any issues with the win10 Windows Defender Security Centre antivirus control.

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Re: W10, Avast and the strength of Defender
« Reply #16 on: April 08, 2019, 06:05:14 PM »
3:  However the underlying errors/notices you got ('your router isn't configured right', 'WEAK_PASS') could very well be correct.

4:  Below this is a Windows Defender Antivirus options, in mine I have turned the periodic scanning off for Windows Defender Antivirus.  Other than these periodic scans defender should be passive (not active).

To 3: I'm quite sure, that I installed a very safe PW on my router. Therefore I don't trust Avast in that
         case.
         My experiences concerning Avast scans are not small and for a long time I was Beta tester
         (as HDW38 and =Snake=), too. You can proof that.

To 4: Where can you turn off or deactivate the periodic scanning of WDA????? I didn't find anything.
          Maybe it's, cause I don't like it.

BTW: As I moved the W10 mouse half an hour ago, I saw a wide blue screen (not black) without any
         icon or so and moving or clicking the mouse didn't change anything! So I cut it off (electricity) and
         started new. Why and what happened in the meantime (a periodic scan)?
         After that, I could work as usual.
Edit: But I missed the Avast icon at the right side of the taskbar!
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Re: W10, Avast and the strength of Defender
« Reply #17 on: April 08, 2019, 09:12:09 PM »

BTW: As I moved the W10 mouse half an hour ago, I saw a wide blue screen (not black) without any
         icon or so and moving or clicking the mouse didn't change anything! So I cut it off (electricity) and
         started new. Why and what happened in the meantime (a periodic scan)?
         After that, I could work as usual.
Edit: But I missed the Avast icon at the right side of the taskbar!

Working as usual was a bit far away, for first of all, I had to 'repair' Avast (see screenshots [German]).
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Re: W10, Avast and the strength of Defender
« Reply #18 on: April 08, 2019, 09:18:30 PM »
3: As I mentioned Weak Password could be more than the one you set, routers come with a default admin password, you can search the internet to actually find these admin passwords for the various router models.  So if the default admin password is still present, it is a weakness.

4: If you found the Windows Defender Security Centre > Virus & Threat Protection Antivirus, your pretty much there.  It should show the antivirus that is installed, Avast Should be listed and No Action needed (in my case as it is running).  Does your show avast is installed and no action required ?

You could well have some other information if Avast isn't running (and Defender Antivirus is) or is out of date ?

As in my attached image there is a Windows Defender Antivirus Options and a down arrow to expand, that is where I found it.  However if Windows Defender Antivirus is actually running, active not passive, I don't know if there would be any option to stop periodic options.

On BTW: occasionally I have an issue with the mouse (it just stops moving) on my XP system, sometimes that is down to low resources, but that does recover.   I haven't experienced this on my win10 laptop.

Does your keyboard still work when experiencing this ?
If so try the three finger salute Ctrl+Alt+Del keys at the same time this brings up your Task Manager.  This could give indicate if you have a resource issue, etc. and it should allow you to restart or shutdown.  Doing a hard shutdown, electrical power off could well crash some programs (and possibly corrupt some running files), possibly why the avast tray icon wasn't there.

Note, I just wonder if you haven't got anything else going on with all these different issues (what that might be is the question).
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Re: W10, Avast and the strength of Defender
« Reply #19 on: April 08, 2019, 10:27:53 PM »

4. If you found the Windows Defender Security Centre > Virus & Threat Protection Antivirus, your pretty much there.  It should show the antivirus that is installed, Avast Should be listed and No Action needed (in my case as it is running).  Does your show avast is installed and no action required ?

5. As in my attached image there is a Windows Defender Antivirus Options and a down arrow to expand, that is where I found it.  However if Windows Defender Antivirus is actually running, active not passive, I don't know if there would be any option to stop periodic options.


To 4: I've some more screenshots of my W10 laptop. I guess, the first one will answer your question.
         Is the second one of interest for you?

To 5: Sorry, but I couldn't see any image.  ???

The third screenshot shows my W10 desktop. I like it.
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Re: W10, Avast and the strength of Defender
« Reply #20 on: April 08, 2019, 10:51:29 PM »
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4:  My German isn't great, so it is hard to say if your screen matches mine.  I can just about order food and beer and little else (ein bisschen) it has been a very long time since I was based in Germany.

5:  The one I attached b3817.png I have reattached here.

I used to have nice desktop images and I rotated them every now and then.  Now I just go for a blank screen with a shade of Blue easy on the eyes.  When I'm working on my system the screen is taken up with other windows, so I can't see it and I don't leave the screen active more than two minutes when I've stopped using it.

Edit: re-attached image, I don't know what is going on with this one (I can see it).
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Re: W10, Avast and the strength of Defender
« Reply #21 on: April 09, 2019, 07:54:31 AM »
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4:  My German isn't great, so it is hard to say if your screen matches mine.  I can just about order food and beer and little else (ein bisschen) it has been a very long time since I was based in Germany.

5:  The one I attached b3817.png I have reattached here.

To 4: I see.
To 5: Your image is still missing. Sorry.
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Re: W10, Avast and the strength of Defender
« Reply #22 on: April 09, 2019, 11:54:21 AM »
I have reattached it and I can see it, I can also see the original in Reply #15.
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Re: W10, Avast and the strength of Defender
« Reply #23 on: April 09, 2019, 12:51:23 PM »
I have reattached it and I can see it, I can also see the original in Reply #15.
I asked Asyn for help.
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Re: W10, Avast and the strength of Defender
« Reply #24 on: April 09, 2019, 01:08:22 PM »
I have reattached it and I can see it, I can also see the original in Reply #15.
I asked Asyn for help.
Hi, I can see Dave's screenshot as well, but I reworked it for you (just in case).
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Re: W10, Avast and the strength of Defender
« Reply #25 on: April 09, 2019, 01:26:15 PM »
I have reattached it and I can see it, I can also see the original in Reply #15.
I asked Asyn for help.
Hi, I can see Dave's screenshot as well, but I reworked it for you (just in case).
Thx, but don't know how to get there.
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Re: W10, Avast and the strength of Defender
« Reply #26 on: April 09, 2019, 01:39:29 PM »
Strange, let's try a GIF. Can you see this..?
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Re: W10, Avast and the strength of Defender
« Reply #27 on: April 09, 2019, 02:04:48 PM »
Strange, let's try a GIF. Can you see this..?
Yes.  8)
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Re: W10, Avast and the strength of Defender
« Reply #28 on: April 09, 2019, 02:12:38 PM »
Strange, let's try a GIF. Can you see this..?
Yes.  8)
But how can I find 'Windows Defender Security Center' or 'Virus & threat protection'?
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Re: W10, Avast and the strength of Defender
« Reply #29 on: April 09, 2019, 02:22:28 PM »
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