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Installation over the Internet on a vulnerable computer?!
« on: October 04, 2019, 04:54:30 AM »
Product: Avast Free Antivirus
OS: Windows 7 Ultimate

Isn't the computer vulnerable, if I establish for the installation of Avast Free Antivirus a connection to the Internet?

Do I not catch malware when I connect to the Internet before the antivirus program is completely installed?

(After I downloaded Windows 7 + updates offline.)

Many thanks for your help.

Jens

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Re: Installation over the Internet on a vulnerable computer?!
« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2019, 10:10:33 AM »
Perhaps in the same way that you "(After I downloaded Windows 7 + updates offline.)"

Presumably you got these by downloading them on a computer that was protected.
See https://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=229461.0 at the start of that is a link for the off-line installation file.  That can be downloaded in the same way as you did for the win7 and updates.

Whilst this is called an off-line installation it does need/check for the latest virus definitions and other updates since that release (the bulk of the work is off-line).  Whilst you could try it completely off-line (I don't know how that would go) and after completion, reboot so it is installed, then go back on-line and check for manually updates.
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Re: Installation over the Internet on a vulnerable computer?!
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2019, 01:45:53 PM »
There's really no way around this that I know because even if you install other anti-malware that itself always has to update its current definitions set from online servers to be able to work, or at least be fully protected.

I've always thought about this myself when I've built a new PCs and installed an OS and there appears to be no simple solution to installing protection offline. Copying definition database files for something like Malwarebytes from another already protected system and installing them offline is apparently not possible.

However with the much maligned MSE (Microsoft Security Essentials) you can get definition updates which will install offline. MS do not promote this option actively but the download page is relatively easy to find.

With a Windows XP VM I used with MSE (host PC using AVAST) the gits turned off the XP MSE update servers (April 2016? no warning) you could not update the definitions automatically or on demand. I used to update it manually by downloading and installing the file on a weekly basis.

However in this case you still have a problem because you are strongly advised not to have both MSE and AVAST or any other AV running on the same PC. Whilst you can get protection installed offline when using MSE, AVAST still has to be active to update its definitions.

There is no obvious 'safe' solution. So bite the bullet, install AVAST offline and then update the definitions. If you're really paranoid do a full system scan afterwards. The chances of something attacking your PC during the initial install of AVAST's definitions is small.   
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Re: Installation over the Internet on a vulnerable computer?!
« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2019, 11:07:07 PM »
Thanks for your help.

@CraigB: If you want you can mark this thread as "solved".

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Re: Installation over the Internet on a vulnerable computer?! [Solved]
« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2019, 12:08:13 AM »
You can use the Modify button in your first post, that will allow you add [Solved] to the Subject line, as I have done in my post.
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