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Re: Interesting
« Reply #240 on: June 25, 2008, 12:37:00 AM »
The lightbulb of the future?
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Re: Interesting
« Reply #241 on: June 26, 2008, 01:59:53 AM »
How does Apple get away with this badware behavior?
All of this just for a security update....... :o
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Re: Interesting
« Reply #242 on: June 26, 2008, 08:11:22 PM »
How does Apple get away with this badware behavior?
All of this just for a security update....... :o
No Different than a program having Google or Yahoo toolbar checked by default ::)
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Re: Interesting
« Reply #243 on: June 26, 2008, 08:42:21 PM »
You're joking right, a bit different a toolbar (measured probably in KBs) to one or two full blown applications measured in the tens of MBs almost 95MB.
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Re: Interesting
« Reply #244 on: June 26, 2008, 09:35:04 PM »
You're joking right, a bit different a toolbar (measured probably in KBs) to one or two full blown applications measured in the tens of MBs almost 95MB.
Same idea. Wether its a tool bar, or a Full application such as Safari or Microsoft Silverlight.  Lots of companies use this tactic. Microsoft, Adobe, Sun, Google, etc. Apple is just joining the host of other companies already doing it.

We may not particularly like the way these companies do it, but its not hard to uncheck the box.
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Re: Interesting
« Reply #245 on: June 26, 2008, 10:13:40 PM »
I must admit i am inclined to agree its not hard to uncheck a box, but then again for some it can be, most people won't know if they need it or not, or even how to use the programs properly.

But mac is right in saying alot of companies do it, we use norton anti-virus at work (yuck), and when i was renewing the subscription it turned out updating to version 2008 was cheaper so i went ahead, low and behold the next screen confirmed my purchase, i had to click NO to confirm it......
If i had done what most people had done and clicked yes (because lack of reading) it would of installed norton internet security at a bigger price....

So, apple is only playing alone, someone just put them in the spotlight recently.

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Re: Interesting
« Reply #246 on: June 27, 2008, 12:31:44 AM »
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We may not particularly like the way these companies do it, but its not hard to uncheck the box.
Tagging something as a security update and throwing in the kitchen sink isn't
exactly looking out for the consumer. It's big business at its worst.... IMHO
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Re: Interesting
« Reply #247 on: June 27, 2008, 06:39:44 AM »
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We may not particularly like the way these companies do it, but its not hard to uncheck the box.
Tagging something as a security update and throwing in the kitchen sink isn't
exactly looking out for the consumer. It's big business at its worst.... IMHO
If you look Apple is not tagging it as a security update. Its Clearly marked New Software.




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Re: Interesting
« Reply #248 on: June 28, 2008, 03:09:27 AM »
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We may not particularly like the way these companies do it, but its not hard to uncheck the box.
Tagging something as a security update and throwing in the kitchen sink isn't
exactly looking out for the consumer. It's big business at its worst.... IMHO
If you look Apple is not tagging it as a security update. Its Clearly marked New Software.






This is the Applke Software Update Module.
What does NEW software have in common with an update of something you already have installed
on your system ???

Why not leave the items unchecked by default and give me the opportunity to check them if
I should want to also install the other products ???
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Re: Interesting
« Reply #249 on: June 28, 2008, 03:17:44 AM »
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This is the Applke Software Update Module.
What does NEW software have in common with an update of something you already have installed
on your system

Why not leave the items unchecked by default and give me the opportunity to check them if
I should want to also install the other products


You said Apple was tagging them as Security Updates, I posted the photo to prove that they are labeling them as new software and not updates.

As to why they are checking them by default? I don't Know, Why does Microsoft, Google, Adobe, Etc? Most likely they are thinking  some users will not notice, and then try the software and use it. Much like Adobe/MS/Google Etc.

Dirty Move? Yes. Is apple the First or the Only one Doing it? No.
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Re: Interesting
« Reply #250 on: June 28, 2008, 03:22:42 AM »
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Dirty Move? Yes. Is apple the First or the Only one Doing it? No.
Fully agree with you Mac. 
It's dirty pool no matter which Company plays these tricks on their customers.
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Re: Interesting
« Reply #251 on: July 04, 2008, 03:18:34 AM »
The next time you receive some spam and have a little time on your hands,
try what this person did....
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Re: Interesting
« Reply #252 on: July 04, 2008, 09:56:37 AM »
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What Apple is doing is no different than Windows Update ... with one exception. Windows checks nothing and asks you to check what you want. Apple checks all and asks you to uncheck what you do not want.

How hard is either to do? Not hard at all as both are the exact reverse of each other. In both cases, it is not at a all hard to read, decide what you want or do not want, and make your choices. Why is it that no one complains that Windows Update makes you check what you want instead of doing it for your lazy butts? (By the way, please do not take that personally as it is not meant to be.)

I do not own nor use any Apple products but I feel it is unfair to accuse Apple of doing wrong when it is doing practically the same as too many other companies.


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Re: Interesting
« Reply #253 on: July 04, 2008, 05:04:24 PM »
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Why is it that no one complains that Windows Update makes you check what you want
Because they leave the choice of the downloads up to the consumer.
Without any action, nothing is downloaded. That's the way it should be.  :)
 
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Re: Interesting
« Reply #254 on: July 04, 2008, 08:52:34 PM »
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Why is it that no one complains that Windows Update makes you check what you want
Because they leave the choice of the downloads up to the consumer.
Without any action, nothing is downloaded. That's the way it should be.  :)
 


Which is part of the problem, Bob ... no one wants to be responsible for the actions taken. It is far easier to place the blame on others such as Apple, Windows Update, etc for downloads the consumer later did not want installed.

Each computer user, and especially those regulars on forums such as this, should be advocating the use of responsible actions for the security of our computers and of those who come here for help. It is each consumer's responsibility for the security of their computers as well as what is downloaded onto their computers no matter in what form the download is presented. The picture Tech posred clearly shows the difference in the downloads available. God forbid a consumer should have to read, think, and make a few mouse clicks to uncheck unwanted downloads that are clearly categorized.


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