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Trace where your spam came from!
« on: June 19, 2007, 07:24:59 PM »
Hi malware fighters,

Do you want to know where the spam you received came from, you can do that online here:
http://www.mitm.nl/
Just cut and paste the e-mail header, and there we go!
Alas you only see the zombie computer the spam was sent from.

That you can do something with the info is a serious misconception: received headers in spam almost alwas are being falsified.

There are a dozen or so exemptions, together good for a small portion of all spam volume:
hacked servers
hacked user accounts (web mail, 419)
free mail providers (o.a. 419)
ISP mail servers (through hacked pc's)
open mail servers

Only the last two categories could deliver workable received headers' infolleen
headers op. But you must have the knowledge where to look for these special cases.

Enjoy the geo-location of the zombie you were spammed from,

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« Last Edit: June 19, 2007, 07:36:13 PM by polonus »
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Re: Trace where your spam came from!
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2007, 07:26:41 PM »
thanks-will give it a try damian 8)
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« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2007, 08:05:24 PM »
Personally I couldn't care less where the spam comes from, so long as mailwasher detects it and I delete it. I used to track down where spam came from long before these tools came out and reported many, but this really is time wasted IMHO. Life is to short, time to do something more enjoyable.
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« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2007, 09:32:20 PM »
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Personally I couldn't care less where the spam comes from, so long as mailwasher detects it and I delete it
you are right davidr my friend...just as long as my mailwasher pro filters out all the spam-crap i'm happy-and better things then to do guessing where or whom sent it-if i knew i wouldn't wanna know ??? ::)
thanks anyways damian-at least you care :o
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« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2007, 10:10:10 PM »
It isn't that I don't care for Damian's post, nothing could be further from the truth. It is simply time spent tracking down spam is seldom worth it.

An old Army saying is that 'time spent in reconnaissance is seldom wasted' true for tracking down vulnerabilities and weakness, etc., but unfortunately this isn't true for tracking spam origins.
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« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2007, 10:49:56 PM »
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It isn't that I don't care for Damian's post, nothing could be further from the truth
feel the same..i valve his help and posts and everyone's else's :)
Marine saying "The MARINES have landed and have the situation well in hand!" put in mailwasher pro in the marines place and it has the spam situation well in hand 8)
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Re: Trace where your spam came from!
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2007, 03:41:22 AM »
It isn't that I don't care for Damian's post, nothing could be further from the truth. It is simply time spent tracking down spam is seldom worth it. An old Army saying is that 'time spent in reconnaissance is seldom wasted' true for tracking down vulnerabilities and weakness, etc., but unfortunately this isn't true for tracking spam origins.
Fully agree. I'll use my time blocking spam and not to discover the origin as I can't do anything.
By the way, Gmail has a powerful spam trap and we receive almost nothing of spam.
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Re: Trace where your spam came from!
« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2007, 08:46:12 AM »
Hi Tech,

There could be a solution for the spam-problem using the mailkey protocol:
http://www.xs4all.nl/~rmeijer/mailkeys.pdf
The way the problem is tackled now with blacklists/ greylists/ whitelists is not doing anything, the mailkey protocol would make:
    *  Possesion of an e-mail address plus sub-adsress enables the holder to address the mailbox of the one that poseses the mailbox.

    * A sub-address can be revoked.

    * A sub-adres is non forgeable.

W We can only guess why the problem is not tackled by the roots?

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Re: Trace where your spam came from!
« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2007, 12:24:47 PM »
Email is a wonderful thing. Messages get to their destination as fast as a phone call, without interupting the recipient. You can choose whether or not to read an email message, at a time that's convenient. You can reply immediately or not. You can think about your reply, edit and check spelling, just like a snail mail letter. And email messages don't cost extra for long distance, frequency, or high volume. You can transmit long passages, links, and photos. And you can send the same message to many people at once.... now THERE'S where the problem starts. Advertisers took advantage of this feature, and email became SPAM.
I get a couple hundred junk email messages every day. Good thing i have mailwasher pro!!!! I don't bother even looking a them, but maybe I should take a look every now and then. Since spammers started using random word generators to get around filters, there are some pretty weird messages in circulation :P  Thought for today: If it weren't for spam, I'd have no mail at all! ::)
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« Last Edit: June 20, 2007, 12:31:01 PM by drhayden1 »

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Re: Trace where your spam came from!
« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2007, 12:52:11 PM »
Hi malware fighters,

Do you want to know where the spam you received came from, you can do that online here:
http://www.mitm.nl/
Just cut and paste the e-mail header, and there we go!
Alas you only see the zombie computer the spam was sent from.

That you can do something with the info is a serious misconception: received headers in spam almost alwas are being falsified.

There are a dozen or so exemptions, together good for a small portion of all spam volume:
hacked servers
hacked user accounts (web mail, 419)
free mail providers (o.a. 419)
ISP mail servers (through hacked pc's)
open mail servers

Only the last two categories could deliver workable received headers' infolleen
headers op. But you must have the knowledge where to look for these special cases.

Enjoy the geo-location of the zombie you were spammed from,

polonus

Hi Damian! Thanks for the link, but for tracing my spam messages, and other fraud web pages I like to use IPMetInfo

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Re: Trace where your spam came from!
« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2007, 01:40:38 PM »
Halio avatar2005,

Can you give a link for that service. Thanks for your reaction,

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Re: Trace where your spam came from!
« Reply #11 on: June 20, 2007, 04:17:29 PM »
Halio avatar2005,

Can you give a link for that service. Thanks for your reaction,

pozdrawiam,

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Hi Damien,
I think this is the program avatar2005 was referring to:
http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/ipnetinfo.html
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« Reply #12 on: June 20, 2007, 04:19:42 PM »
Yes Bob  :) You were quicker then me 8), it's the one I mentioned

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« Reply #13 on: June 20, 2007, 04:26:21 PM »
Yes Bob  :) You were quicker then me 8), it's the one I mentioned
Not by much..... ;D :) ;D
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Re: Trace where your spam came from!
« Reply #14 on: June 20, 2007, 04:52:53 PM »
Hi bob3160,

As always, bob3160, for reliable information. Bob, thanx a bunch.
And of course you too avatar2005 for giving the name of the program.

Damian
« Last Edit: June 20, 2007, 04:55:16 PM by polonus »
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