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Re: Tweak: your FF or Flock browser faster by heaps!
« Reply #60 on: June 25, 2007, 08:10:49 PM »
Hello forum members,

The best reply for me, is this link:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=385641
Do you see next to CC? Would they be interested in dubious code?

And as far as  bob3160 is concerned here, he has helped me out on various occasions once enabling me to install USB 2.0 on an old Win98 platform, etc. He shares his files for ages now, and he is a responsible chap, I'll eat my hat if he is not. He was the first out here to make me resize my avatar, do you remember Bob? I had that dancing monkey, then?

There was a test report from greenknight: "Don't jump to conclusions, this should be tested objectively. I just did a small test; I went to a site with that file in place and timed how long it took to load, returned to my home page, closed Firefox, and ran CCleaner to clear the cache, cookies, etc. Then I disabled the file by renaming it .txt, and did it again.

I repeated this, alternately with the file enabled and disabled, until I had loaded the page five times each way. When I was done, it averaged out exactly the same either way!

There was one noticeable difference - there was more variation when the test file was enabled than when it wasn't. With the file, it took from 4-16 seconds - without it, 7-9 seconds. But the average was 8.4 seconds, either way.

This doesn't really prove anything; it would take many more tests, with different pages varying in content. But it demonstrates that there is so much variability in page loading speed that it's very hard to judge based on your impression of loading time - it could be just a coincidence that it's faster or slower at any given time.

That this test came out exactly even is wildly coincidental, considering how much the results varied. Like I said, this test isn't big enough to prove anything - except that it's a difficult thing to test."

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« Last Edit: June 25, 2007, 08:47:09 PM by polonus »
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Re: Tweak: your FF or Flock browser faster by heaps!
« Reply #61 on: June 26, 2007, 01:46:03 AM »
After perceiving a definite difference on my own computer after downloading SelectableElementsTable.js, I also tried it on my mother's (even slower) computer, on a slow dial-up connection.  My unscientific test on that computer, which seemed to benefit considerably, consisted of observing the amount of clean laundry I could fold as each page loaded.  Before SelectableElementsTable.js, each page took from 4 to 15 items, usually 6 to 10 (shirts, jeans, etc.--this is what I normally do while using my mother's computer, so I know this represents a wide variety of pages and connection speeds  ::) ).  After SelectableElementsTable.js, each page took from 2 to 8 items, usually 4 to 6.  I would have done more testing "after," but I ran out of clean laundry to fold.

Both computers have NoScript, AdBlock Plus, and McAfee SiteAdvisor; also FlashBlock (for a few necessary sites that do not function correctly if scripting is not allowed).  They do not have GetElementsBy*.  They also did not have Locationbar2.  I'm not sure how I missed that one.

Having read many posts before I decided to try avast, and many more since, I believe I might as well unplug my computer if I can't trust Polonus and bob3160, among others who have all been very helpful to me and very generous with their time and knowledge.  But I scanned the file anyway, because I have learned that being a bit paranoid is good.  (Thank you again, Polonus, for that too.)

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Re: Tweak: your FF or Flock browser faster by heaps!
« Reply #62 on: June 26, 2007, 02:37:46 AM »
I value polonus and Bob tips and I don't want to distrust them. The header first interested me yesterday because FF was recently being slower and there was a delay. I don't know if it's linked but I found 3 Trojan downloaders in my System Restore Volume with Dr. Web Cure it thorough scanning, and that's after downloading the file. Last time I scanned was a month ago. False positive? I don't know. It was cleaned, Avast didn't detect it, and I erased my System restore. I worked all day on this issue and discovered that taking out the Crawler and Yahoo toolbar was the solution. My browsers IE and FF are a truckload faster. To me, it's a thousandfold better than having to download a file you don't know (even Avast can fail to detect it...!) from even say the Pope! I would say no thanks! Too risky! It's not paranoia! It's common sense. Now, the file may be safe and the forum users can do what they want. My advice is try all other avenues, work that around, FF is build originally to go fast. Don't be a doctor if you're not and as an Avast user avoid or don't even think to try downloading a script in your folder browser even if they say it's safe to avoid trouble. Avoid toolbars especially. Then you're on your own, of course ;D

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Re: Tweak: your FF or Flock browser faster by heaps!
« Reply #63 on: June 26, 2007, 03:45:29 AM »
gdiloren,
I'm usually a very calm person except when someone attacks my integrity.
You've been a member of this forum for a little over a month and are trying
through innuendos and half truth's imply that either polonus or I or both of us
have infected your computer.  >:(
Please present your proof. If you have none, then kindly retract your accusations.
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Re: Tweak: your FF or Flock browser faster by heaps!
« Reply #64 on: June 26, 2007, 05:30:58 AM »
No, no. I was surprised to get infected but haven't used DrWebCureIt tool since a month or so since I already have Avast web Shield. But as you may already know Avast detects only known viruses and DrWeb I think (I have no proofs, only guesses...) false positives. Anyway, better getting paranoid than infected. Today, I learnt TOOLBARS were like parasites (energy eaters) and that pratically explained why my browsers were so slow. Now, I've surfed on the Mozillazine forum and on this forum and found that half the users that installed the SELECTEDELEMENT.js file in their component folder are like me and had little or no effect on their speed and had to remove it. I think the speed problem is linked to the frivolous extensions and toolbars we add to our browsers. I don't want to reply anymore having expressed myself enough and I ask you to excuse me if I'm not 100% on this procedure but we are un democracy and this is my view.
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Re: Tweak: your FF or Flock browser faster by heaps!
« Reply #65 on: June 26, 2007, 09:16:02 AM »
Hi gdilorem,

As the verdict fell, the bug is UNRESOLVED. The code is not endorsed for this purpose, it is harmless.
The experimental code has been claimed as redone from some other source. So we point to that resource for further evaluation. Apparently you do not need it inside the browser.

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Re: Tweak: your FF or Flock browser faster by heaps!
« Reply #66 on: June 26, 2007, 11:54:07 AM »
Sorry to burst your bubble guys, but this does not work.

Mozilla has just rejected the patch, see https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=385641#c11 . There is no way in hell this would speed up anything. It seems to be a bunch of copy-paste code from god knows where (including pieces that were copyright by Erik Arvidsson), some times are even pasted multiple times, but it doesn't do anything. Sorry Polonus, but you didn't even gave an explanation of what it was supposed to do. Are you the author ?

It's completely harmless though. "Snake oil", just like you said yourself.

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Re: Tweak: your FF or Flock browser faster by heaps!
« Reply #67 on: June 26, 2007, 11:58:19 AM »
oh, by the way,

>The best reply for me, is this link:
>https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=385641
>Do you see next to CC? Would they be interested in dubious code?

This has no value whatsoever. Polonus posted the bug-report himself, the existence of it is no merit. If people CC themselves to the bug, it's because they're interested in the discussion, not a proof that it's reliable.

Hell, my name is even mentioned in real malware reports on bugzilla.mozilla.org.

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Re: Tweak: your FF or Flock browser faster by heaps!
« Reply #68 on: June 26, 2007, 12:53:47 PM »
sorry to prick your bubble bluesy but it works for me.
 I cant(be bothered to) give specific comparisons or irrefutable evidence but for what its worth, my pages have loaded considerably faster since adding this enhancement .
Go figure?

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Re: Tweak: your FF or Flock browser faster by heaps!
« Reply #69 on: June 26, 2007, 01:25:23 PM »
Hi Clousseau,

That is what you get for all your efforts, one says it cannot work, the other says there are flards of existing code re-tinkered, the other one says it is viral (not proven, alas). It is a lesson learned the hard way, you don't get a pat on the back not even for trying. Sad times really, as you come to think of it.

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Re: Tweak: your FF or Flock browser faster by heaps!
« Reply #70 on: June 26, 2007, 03:18:21 PM »
Polonus, I contribute for mozilla, but I'm not not an official developer. Nor do I speak in their name. But I know my way around the mozilla code, but I can't see how this code would benefit Firefox at all. It's not even correct JavaScript (contains pieces of code for ColdFusion). I tried it when I first saw it on mozillazine (before you filed the bug), but it didn't do anything for me.

If you are the author, can you give at least an explanation of why you think it should work ? An explanation of "it works for many people" isn't good enough, sorry.

If people are happy to stuff in their components directory, and if they're happy with it, then they can do that. But that's not enough to include it in the distribution.

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Re: Tweak: your FF or Flock browser faster by heaps!
« Reply #71 on: June 26, 2007, 03:43:08 PM »
Hi bluezy,

I experimented a lot on my personal code for the Flock browser, everyone here around knows I was one of the first adopters when Flock came available. I posted on their security forum. When getting a lot of particular errors with the memory leak tool, I analyzed these, and went to koders as my source for code snippets and searched for x-javascipt to make the loading iof the page more variable, then I ran the code through online lint, script debuggers for security, bint scanned it, and put the code on a small webforum to give it a try. I had noticed myself that with it in the browser somehow loaded pages quicker, then I got various enthousiastic reactions from other users. Then I knew I had an old account at mozilla webforum, some reported advanced webpage loads, later some did not or called it fake, the admin there advised me to frame it as a bug to draw attention. Well I let it hang in the balance and asked just to report effects back to me. That is all. The only thing I did was seeing to it that it was absolutely benevolent. To make sure I put the hash keys with it, so it could not be tampered with. I only reacted on the favourite reactions that came back to me, Gable said it did something in his trunk, the Big Man there says it cannot do anything and declared the workings to be imaginairy snakeoil. My idea behind this all is that when you have GetElementsById, GetElementsByTagName (originally for Mozilla type browsers) and GetElementsByClassName (originally for IE, but now brought in for Flock as well), Mozilla does not release everything quickly enough, that is the crux of the remaining problems. That was what I was aiming at to relieve.
Do you have any solutions in that direction, Bluezy.??? Lets think positively, we do it for the good of the browser. Letting all the security extensions and adblocking etc. out of the browser is just a pseudo-solution. If you are a Mozilla coder we need you here as well, we all were built up here from scrap, we learned everything in the live theater, we need all sorts of know-how.

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Re: Tweak: your FF or Flock browser faster by heaps!
« Reply #72 on: June 26, 2007, 03:58:56 PM »
Hi polonus,
As I explained in my PM to you, all of this is like a movie review.
You can either listen to the critics or, you can watch the movie
and then form your own opinion.

I've gone to the movies and watched SelectableElementsTable.js  in action.
For me, it's sped up page rendering/loading in Firefox and your code will therefore remain a part of my Firefox.  :)
I will also continue offering this tweak on MySharedFiles  :)
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Re: Tweak: your FF or Flock browser faster by heaps!
« Reply #73 on: June 26, 2007, 05:31:16 PM »
For the doubting Thomas about the safety of MySharedFiles

(Click picture to enlarge)

To verify this on your own, simply go here:
http://linkscanner.explabs.com/linkscanner/checksite.asp?NS=ChkOnly&SRC=apps.ExpLabs.com&CS=http://mysharedfiles.no-ip.org/
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Re: Tweak: your FF or Flock browser faster by heaps!
« Reply #74 on: June 26, 2007, 06:54:58 PM »
I've learned -

that it takes years to build up trust,
and only seconds to destroy it.

To see what else I've learned and what I value take a look at the following.
http://mysharedfiles.no-ip.org/I_Have_Learned.html

I received this many years ago and find that re-reading it every once in a while is very very
good for the sole. :)
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