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FF 3.0b3 firstrun
« on: March 14, 2008, 09:57:35 PM »
Hi FF users,

Seen this: https://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/3.0b3/firstrun/

This is through jar.mn

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Re: FF 3.0b3 firstrun
« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2008, 11:51:03 PM »
I'm currently running FF 3.0b4 on Ubuntu 8.04. I offer a one word review:

WOW!

When it all shakes out, FF 3 is really going to be something.

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Re: FF 3.0b3 firstrun
« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2008, 06:36:33 AM »
You're right about this my friend. Firefox was always kind of repulsive to me and that was only because of the aggressive methods of advertising by Firefox fanboys... I still don't like that... but I have to say that version 3 Beta 4 works so good it is simply incredible. I don't even pay attention to those verbal fights between Firefox users and every other browser users out there. Can't wait to see the final release, final version 3.

Version for Windows is not that nice looking, they screwed a lot trying to mimic that overused glossy Vista look, but the version for Mac is something to talk about. It looks so good, and now it even has that native OS X look so it blends into the OS like never before. My primary browser is Safari (Mac), but after testing this Firefox 3 beta 4, I am sure both will serve me equally from now on. Speed ? I am amazed with how it renders pages, especially how it deals with Flash content (very important to me since I'm Flash developer).

This is how it looks like on Windows (not mine, someone else has posted this image in some other forum):



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Re: FF 3.0b3 firstrun
« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2008, 07:36:23 AM »
Eh, who cares about stupid fanboys, just use what you like the most. If thats IE7, so be it :) Why not. If you prefer something else, then use that. It's very simple. ;D
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Re: FF 3.0b3 firstrun
« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2008, 04:18:57 PM »
You're right about this my friend. Firefox was always kind of repulsive to me and that was only because of the aggressive methods of advertising by Firefox fanboys... I still don't like that... but I have to say that version 3 Beta 4 works so good it is simply incredible. I don't even pay attention to those verbal fights between Firefox users and every other browser users out there. Can't wait to see the final release, final version 3.

Agreed. I'm hooked to a 10/1 broadband connection, and on Hardy, FF3 really flies. I would expect similar performance on other OS's.

By the way, I had an opportunity to use a Mac this week while visiting a client for a couple days. Very impressive indeed. If it wasn't for my commitment to FOSS, which is why Firefox is my browser of choice, I think I'd buy one of those pretty white boxes.

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Re: FF 3.0b3 firstrun
« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2008, 11:12:19 PM »
Hi OrangeCrate,

But do not run FF 3.0b3 without NoScript, because the old NoScript silently does it's work in the background preventing this, where the FF 3.0 devs left this hole:
it looks like the ever popular -moz-binding css attribute is now rendered a little less useful. It is now impossible to load off-site XBL via this method.

However, all is not lost. For in patching one of the biggest holes in Firefox’s security model, the infinite wisdom of the FF devs is that it is now possible to embed a -moz-binding URL tag inline, like this:
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<img src=”blah” style=”-moz-binding: url(data:text/xml;charset=utf-8,%3C%3Fxml%20version%3D%221.0%22%3F%3E%3Cbindings%20xmlns%3D%22http%3A//www.mozilla.org/xbl%22%3E%3Cbinding%20id%3D%22loader%22%3E%3Cimplementation%3E%3Cconstructor%3E%3C%21%5BCDATA%5Bvar%20url%20%3D%20%22alert.js%22%3B%20var%20scr%20%3D%20document.createElement%28%22script%22%29%3B%20scr.setAttribute%28%22src%22%2Curl%29%3B%20var%20bodyElement%20%3D%20document.getElementsByTagName%28%22html%22%29.item%280%29%3B%20bodyElement.appendChild%28scr%29%3B%20%5D%5D%3E%3C/constructor%3E%3C/implementation%3E%3C/binding%3E%3C/bindings%3E)” />
Using this method provides for no use of a fragment identifier, indeed it is only possible to use the first element. The above XBL decodes to:
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<?xml version=”1.0″?><bindings xmlns=”http://www.mozilla.org/xbl”><binding id=”loader”><implementation><constructor><![CDATA[var url = “alert.js”;var scr = document.createElement(”script”);scr.setAttribute(”src”,url);var bodyElement = document.getElementsByTagName(”html”).item(0);bodyElement.appendChild(scr);]]></constructor></implementation></binding></bindings>
which essentially creates a nice new DOM script element that loads alert.js.

NoScript completely protects you against this,

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Re: FF 3.0b3 firstrun
« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2008, 12:42:40 AM »
But do not run FF 3.0b3 without NoScript...

Of course.

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Re: FF 3.0b3 firstrun
« Reply #7 on: March 16, 2008, 04:43:34 PM »
But this NoScript is so annoying that's incredible. Bugging with all kind of questions, and on the top of all those Vista's most annoying security questions it throws at you all the time, browsing and using PC computers became nothing else but answering those questions most of the time. I don't even use NoScript anymore, couldn't stand it's nature and behavior. That's the main reason I completely switched to Safari on my Mac. But Firefox 3 looks so promising and nice, I will use it again for sure... what's beyond me is why Mozilla team did not solve that problem and implemented NoScript into the main code of Firefox, so there would be no need of installing third party plug-in such is NoScript in the first place. Plus, maybe make it little less aggressive when it comes to asking all those questions...

On my PC machine (Vista) I never had NoScript installed (I had it while I was still on XP) and see no problems at all.  ::)
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Re: FF 3.0b3 firstrun
« Reply #8 on: March 16, 2008, 05:52:01 PM »
Then don't use it.

But, I wouldn't be without it and I get no questions at all, I have the Show message about blocked scripts unchecked I also have the Audio feedback when scripts are blocked in the Notifications tab of the Options.
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Re: FF 3.0b3 firstrun
« Reply #9 on: March 16, 2008, 06:43:42 PM »
Hi DavidR,

I agree totally with you. NoScript handling is so simple now, just click if you trust for instance to play a certain video, and it is allowed to run. The times that you need specific script to do something are that very rare. I cannot see what annoyance that is. If this annoys you you get even annoyed by pre-scanning a link not to land on a malicious site or pre-scan a download or have a drive-by download have its malicious way. If you only assume what you do is secure, you live out dangerously and treats the Internet like a Russian roulette - hoping the bullet does not come at you, and the next round is for the other guy. Because  it is too much of a hassle, you can rely on the security after you run into malware, and hope the av scanner saves you and will solve the problem for ye, and if not you security programs are too blame, the lack of prevention did not bring you there. For me that is to live in ignorance of the real facts and just the same behavior like some driving around without a safety belt because it is so inconvenient to wear it or put it on even.

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Re: FF 3.0b3 firstrun
« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2008, 11:24:42 PM »
Does anybody know what happens with the FF McAfee Site Advisor extension in FF 3b4. I keep installing it but it simply goes away upon rebooting the pc. I liked it a lot especially for the advises on the Google and Yahoo searchs. Can AILWIL think of a gadget like SiteAdvisor for us? 8)
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Re: FF 3.0b3 firstrun
« Reply #11 on: March 16, 2008, 11:34:53 PM »
Hi gdiloren,

You could try what is proposed here:
http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=33717.0

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Re: FF 3.0b3 firstrun
« Reply #12 on: March 16, 2008, 11:46:34 PM »
Hi DavidR,

I agree totally with you. NoScript handling is so simple now, just click if you trust for instance to play a certain video, and it is allowed to run. The times that you need specific script to do something are that very rare. I cannot see what annoyance that is. If this annoys you you get even annoyed by pre-scanning a link not to land on a malicious site or pre-scan a download or have a drive-by download have its malicious way. If you only assume what you do is secure, you live out dangerously and treats the Internet like a Russian roulette - hoping the bullet does not come at you, and the next round is for the other guy. Because  it is too much of a hassle, you can rely on the security after you run into malware, and hope the av scanner saves you and will solve the problem for ye, and if not you security programs are too blame, the lack of prevention did not bring you there. For me that is to live in ignorance of the real facts and just the same behavior like some driving around without a safety belt because it is so inconvenient to wear it or put it on even.

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This has absolutely nothing with wearing a seatbelt. I have never ever even started my car without my seatbelt fastened, so for sure it can not be compared to this situation. It looks like no one can have his own opinion in this forum. After one say something, there is at least two on his back. I don't like it and I don't use it, so what's wrong with that ? It's not like I refuse to install and use firewall and antivirus on my PC machine and putting other people at risk by possibly spreading those nasties around.

OK, let's put it this way... it is so good I use it and can't live without it. Happy ?
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Re: FF 3.0b3 firstrun
« Reply #13 on: March 16, 2008, 11:59:25 PM »
Hi >,

It is a free world after all, and you are free to say that NoScript is a nuisance for you, and you are not the only one... I would like to say that a lot of IE users that understand the risks they are running would be glad if Mr Giorgio Maone had a similar protection developed to run inside IE.
And yes script inside a browser is the number ONE malware vector, and this will be so for a long, long time to come.
But it is the users that decide. Who knows that there will be a day very soon that FF 3.0 and IE8 look so identical, that FF will be phased out. Functionality and security often conflict, but they also can go hand in hand. Using it or not is your personal decision, I am not gonna comment there. On a Mac the story is quite something different. What I say is for FF on Windows...

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Re: FF 3.0b3 firstrun
« Reply #14 on: March 17, 2008, 12:03:52 AM »
damian my friend i will wait until says final version ;)
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