I deleted it also plus a whole lot of Host backups etc
yesterday autoupdated to 0608 definitions
this morning manual update is again balky
shut down za and update completed - ran immediately on ZA shutdown
do you think there may be a pattern here
What I did on my summer vacation
changed firewalls
ps .nt suffix is not likely on 98-SE
but I'll double check about show hidden files and foleders
thanks again
we're mostly into FYI territory here