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Re: Optical Mouse In the House
« Reply #15 on: July 21, 2008, 07:19:29 PM »
To check out a site you could start at http://www.siteadvisor.com/.

You can only use one at a time so the input is not a problem, for ages I had two mice connected, optical wireless usb and a bog standard Microsoft ps2 mouse. I had some programs that wouldn't respond to the wireless usb mouse outside of windows.
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Re: Optical Mouse In the House
« Reply #16 on: July 21, 2008, 07:20:53 PM »
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There won't be some conflict ... my Windows 98SE won't Freak Out with 2 Mice connected?
I found that Win98SE ( Silly Edition ) freaked out when I wanted to do a save on something that I had been editing for a while or if I stepped away for a pee then came back and moved the PS/2 connected mouse to do something.

Then it insisted on running that scandisk thing for the next 5 minutes until the desktop came up.

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Re: Optical Mouse In the House
« Reply #17 on: July 22, 2008, 12:49:35 AM »
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The files Bob3160 posted are USB mass-storage drivers, no good for your mouse
That's correct because Chim asked about usb storage devices which require drivers that don't come with Win98.  :)
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Re: Optical Mouse In the House
« Reply #18 on: July 22, 2008, 01:34:32 AM »
The files Bob3160 posted are USB mass-storage drivers, no good for your mouse

That's correct because Chim asked about usb storage devices which require drivers that don't come with Win98.  :)

So are you saying that those TWO Drivers would cover ANY Flash Drive?  Aren't there supposed to be MANY Drivers depending on the Manufacturer and Model of the USB Flash Drive?
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Re: Optical Mouse In the House
« Reply #19 on: July 22, 2008, 01:49:11 AM »
To check out a site you could start at http://www.siteadvisor.com/.

You can only use one at a time so the input is not a problem, for ages I had two mice connected, optical wireless usb and a bog standard Microsoft ps2 mouse. I had some programs that wouldn't respond to the wireless usb mouse outside of windows.

Cool!  I Bookmarked the SiteAdvisor site.  But, I'm a bit confused.  There at the bottom is a little Window where one can already enter ... presumably any URL to be checked out.  Yet above that is a Button for "Download SiteAdvisor now ... For Internet Explorer."  Why would one have to download that?  What IS one downloading?  Doesn't one get the site checked out by entering the URL in the little Window below that Button?
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Re: Optical Mouse In the House
« Reply #20 on: July 22, 2008, 02:22:52 AM »
The little window is for the URL you want to check.

I haven't downloaded the siteadvisor for IE mainly because I don't use it. I can only assume that it adds some form of checking from IE, possibly context menu selection on a link in a page. Surely there is more information on the site on what it does.
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Re: Optical Mouse In the House
« Reply #21 on: July 22, 2008, 05:21:28 AM »
Hi Chim

The optical mouse you've got is a so-called "combo" because its interface circuitry responds to either PS/2 or USB protocols. The adapter is purely an electrical and mechanical rearrangement of the connector.

Found files on a 98SE system and zipped them. They could be what you need.
First you'll need to rename the file from 'USBHID.txt' to 'USBHID.zip' and then extract them to c:\ with "Use folder names" checked. If they are the correct files the USB mouse should then install automatically when you plug it in.

So am I understanding correctly?  There won't be some conflict ... my Windows 98SE won't Freak Out with 2 Mice connected?  I won't get some big Blue Screen Error Message?  I take it that's because one of the 2 Mice won't be working at the time?  But, under normal circumstances, if one plugged in a working Regular Port Mouse and a working USB Mouse, conflict WOULD ensue, right?

Windows might "freak out" in a very minor way, as described by others, with both a USB and PS/2 mouse connected simultaneously but remember, up until the USB drivers are "found" and installed, Windows doesn't "know" about the second mouse.
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Re: Optical Mouse In the House
« Reply #22 on: July 22, 2008, 04:17:29 PM »
As long as one of the mice is stationary, there wouln't be any problems.
Otherwise, the movement will change on as first come basis. It can only recognize one mouse at a time.
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Re: Optical Mouse In the House
« Reply #23 on: July 22, 2008, 04:18:56 PM »
Hi Chim

The optical mouse you've got is a so-called "combo" because its interface circuitry responds to either PS/2 or USB protocols. The adapter is purely an electrical and mechanical rearrangement of the connector.

Found files on a 98SE system and zipped them. They could be what you need.
First you'll need to rename the file from 'USBHID.txt' to 'USBHID.zip' and then extract them to c:\ with "Use folder names" checked. If they are the correct files the USB mouse should then install automatically when you plug it in.

The Eagle has Landed.  The Cyber Merchandise Acquisition Project has been implemented and successful completion Green Light status is an affirmative.  Uhhh, that is to say, I have downloaded the File, Vladimyr.   ;D  So, what's the deal on the File Renaming?  Can Files only be attached here on the avast! Forums' Posts in .txt format?  When I renamed the File to the .zip extension, shouldn't the Icon for the File have changed to that of the IZArc File Zipping / Unzipping Utility I have installed?  Why does it still have the same Text File Icon.?

Okay, after this File is extracted ... is it ONE Driver ... ONE Generic Mouse Driver for USB Mice in general to work on Win98?  Or are there several different Drivers in there after the extraction?  I do see you mention "Files" as in more than one, but I don't know if that means several different Drivers for different Mice or just several Files to be used by MY model of Mouse.

Can this File be saved on a CD?  Or would R/W status have to be maintained, like say Opera's Bookmarks File opera6.adr, which I save on a Floppy?

So am I understanding correctly?  There won't be some conflict ... my Windows 98SE won't Freak Out with 2 Mice connected?  I won't get some big Blue Screen Error Message?  I take it that's because one of the 2 Mice won't be working at the time?  But, under normal circumstances, if one plugged in a working Regular Port Mouse and a working USB Mouse, conflict WOULD ensue, right?

Windows might "freak out" in a very minor way, as described by others, with both a USB and PS/2 mouse connected simultaneously but remember, up until the USB drivers are "found" and installed, Windows doesn't "know" about the second mouse.

Ultimately for NOW ... I want to save the File you sent AND your Instructions.  This since obviously right now my New Mouse is functioning properly via its connection in the Regular PS / 2 Mouse Port.  Don't want to needlessly get all Mad Scientist-ish right now and suddenly end up with NO Mouse function.  But, it'll be great to have ... or at least theoretically have the Driver and Instructions on how to get the USB Mouse option up and running if need be.
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Re: Optical Mouse In the House
« Reply #24 on: July 22, 2008, 04:22:15 PM »
As long as one of the mice is stationary, there wouln't be any problems.
Otherwise, the movement will change on as first come basis. It can only recognize one mouse at a time.

Alrighty, then.  So it's NOT like one can get to playing some Tennis Game with a Mouse in each hand ... Right Hand vs. Left Hand ... USB vs. Legacy.   ;D  Denied!  Thanks, Bob!
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Re: Optical Mouse In the House
« Reply #25 on: July 22, 2008, 04:49:24 PM »
As long as one of the mice is stationary, there wouln't be any problems.
Otherwise, the movement will change on as first come basis. It can only recognize one mouse at a time.

Alrighty, then.  So it's NOT like one can get to playing some Tennis Game with a Mouse in each hand ... Right Hand vs. Left Hand ... USB vs. Legacy.   ;D  Denied!  Thanks, Bob!
Actually you can since you only use one mouse at a time. one in the right hand, the other one set up for the left hand.
You can not use both mice at the same time. It only recognizes input from one mouse at a time.
Hope that's clear.  :)
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Re: Optical Mouse In the House
« Reply #26 on: July 22, 2008, 09:00:09 PM »
Alrighty, then.  So it's NOT like one can get to playing some Tennis Game with a Mouse in each hand ... Right Hand vs. Left Hand ... USB vs. Legacy.   ;D  Denied!  Thanks, Bob!

Actually you can since you only use one mouse at a time. one in the right hand, the other one set up for the left hand.
You can not use both mice at the same time. It only recognizes input from one mouse at a time.
Hope that's clear.  :)

Oh yeah, it's clear.  I just meant you couldn't actually get a more realistic Tennis Game going whereby both Players ... aka both Left & Right Hands ... both Mice are in motion at the same time to anticipate each others moves.  In other words, you can't achieve the equivalent of 2 Joysticks hooked up to an Atari 400 or Commodore64.   ;D
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Re: Optical Mouse In the House
« Reply #27 on: July 23, 2008, 12:51:48 AM »
No, not at all the same and I've enjoyed both of those machines.  :)
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Re: Optical Mouse In the House
« Reply #28 on: July 23, 2008, 04:23:37 AM »
So many question....  ;D

So, what's the deal on the File Renaming?  Can Files only be attached here on the avast! Forums' Posts in .txt format?
Not only .txt, but not .zip.

When I renamed the File to the .zip extension, shouldn't the Icon for the File have changed to that of the IZArc File Zipping / Unzipping Utility I have installed?  Why does it still have the same Text File Icon.?
Don't know. When I rename it it changes to the WinZip icon on my PC.

Okay, after this File is extracted ... is it ONE Driver ... ONE Generic Mouse Driver for USB Mice in general to work on Win98?  Or are there several different Drivers in there after the extraction?  I do see you mention "Files" as in more than one, but I don't know if that means several different Drivers for different Mice or just several Files to be used by MY model of Mouse.
See attached image for .zip contents and default locations. It's years since I last did this but I'm pretty sure that if you unzip/extract those 5 files to those paths that Windows "Shrug 'n' Pray" will find them automatically when the USB mouse is plugged is detected. If not, you'll know where to point it to.

Can this File be saved on a CD?  Or would R/W status have to be maintained, like say Opera's Bookmarks File opera6.adr, which I save on a Floppy?
Can't see any problems, as long as you remember what/where it is.

Ultimately for NOW ... I want to save the File you sent AND your Instructions.  This since obviously right now my New Mouse is functioning properly via its connection in the Regular PS / 2 Mouse Port.  Don't want to needlessly get all Mad Scientist-ish right now and suddenly end up with NO Mouse function.  But, it'll be great to have ... or at least theoretically have the Driver and Instructions on how to get the USB Mouse option up and running if need be.
It's your choice. Trying it now won't hurt anything and if you suddenly need to use a USB "Human Interface Device" at any time in the future, once the files are your hard disk, it should just work.


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Re: Optical Mouse In the House
« Reply #29 on: July 23, 2008, 03:24:04 PM »
Ultimately for NOW ... I want to save the File you sent AND your Instructions.  This since obviously right now my New Mouse is functioning properly via its connection in the Regular PS / 2 Mouse Port.  Don't want to needlessly get all Mad Scientist-ish right now and suddenly end up with NO Mouse function.  But, it'll be great to have ... or at least theoretically have the Driver and Instructions on how to get the USB Mouse option up and running if need be.

It's your choice. Trying it now won't hurt anything and if you suddenly need to use a USB "Human Interface Device" at any time in the future, once the files are your hard disk, it should just work.

If I get bold enough, I'll try it on the weekend.  Usually experiments with which I have a little trepidation, I wait until the weekend so that in case something goes seriously awry, I have the time to do a Windows Reinstall. 

I have your Zip File saved, as well as your Instructions from both your posts.  Your time and effort utilized in locating these USB Files is greatly appreciated.  Thanks, Vladimyr!
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