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Re: IBM: Avoid using Internet Explorer browser!
« Reply #45 on: February 02, 2009, 02:12:46 PM »
I have tried to avoid using IE and use Firefox instead. However, the only way to get Windows OS updated is via IE, so I have to use it for that if nothing else.

But recently I’ve been in IE more than I wanted because I’ve been trying to get info on updates for both Windows OS and Office 2003 that keep failing to install after they’re downloaded. (Is it just me, or is trying to find info on Microsoft’s website like being caught in one gigantic KB loop??)

Anyway, how can you avoid IE if you must get Windows OS updates and Office updates?

I made FF my default browser, and it takes care of Microsoft updates fine. IE has no need to exist.  ;D

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Re: IBM: Avoid using Internet Explorer browser!
« Reply #46 on: February 02, 2009, 06:38:53 PM »
I wonder how many of you Microsoft bashers actually us an operating system other than windows?
As long as you continue to use their operating system, you really don't have any real firepower to back up
all your anti Microsoft sentiments regardless of how you spell it.  ;D
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Re: IBM: Avoid using Internet Explorer browser!
« Reply #47 on: February 02, 2009, 07:32:53 PM »
I made FF my default browser, and it takes care of Microsoft updates fine. IE has no need to exist.  ;D

Wrong, IE exists because it is an integral part of the OS and you would be surprised just what this does. The display of windows explorer file structure, etc. uses IE, Help file display uses IE, if you use Outlook Express of other MS email clients the preview window uses IE, etc. etc.

So long as it is an integral part of the OS so it has a need to exist and whatever your default browser is won't change that. Windows Update (the auto one) doesn't require a browser so you can get away with that.
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Re: IBM: Avoid using Internet Explorer browser!
« Reply #48 on: February 02, 2009, 08:34:45 PM »
I made FF my default browser, and it takes care of Microsoft updates fine. IE has no need to exist.  ;D

Wrong, IE exists because it is an integral part of the OS and you would be surprised just what this does. The display of windows explorer file structure, etc. uses IE, Help file display uses IE, if you use Outlook Express of other MS email clients the preview window uses IE, etc. etc.

So long as it is an integral part of the OS so it has a need to exist and whatever your default browser is won't change that. Windows Update (the auto one) doesn't require a browser so you can get away with that.
Really. I wasn't aware of that. But Win explorer is off line so how does IE come into play? When I search an Outlook file while using it, the online help comes up under FF. Do you have anywhere I can study your findings? Thanks.  :)

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Re: IBM: Avoid using Internet Explorer browser!
« Reply #49 on: February 02, 2009, 09:06:22 PM »
Hi twl845,

Well IE is an integral part of the Windows OS. There are a couple of reasons why it would be unwise to remove IE from the OS completely (if that could be done). Windows for the first time for IE8 promised to strictly keep up to web standards, other browsers try to get bundled too with an OS like GoogleChrome recently, and Firefox already existed before the so-called browser wars - it just changed its identity, for a lot of users it would be a puzzle as what alternate browser to install, as IE is a synonym for browsing, and that would or could lead to additional crapware, and we have already a lot of that (browzar = IE-clowning shellcode, etc, they build a Pr0n-button and "they are state of the art" ;D.)
What integrating brought IE as a benefit, and what other browsers are lacking is, that part of the browser starts already as the OS starts, well could be expected as it is part of it.
Browser comparison in a lot of cases goes like a conversation on culinary tastes. There is no...etc.
The minuses of IE is that a lot of users don't configure it like it should come, and that is not-out-of-the-box, but a lot of normal users don't know anything else, launch and click, click, click > malware..
For all browsers it is better to use the application with normal user rights, it can do less harm that way..

Then the browser security discussion has not that long of a history. A lot of even browser developers did not code with security at mind in the previous century or even some years ago. And fuzzing a browser does not give you design flaws - especially the flaws that are exploitable. There still is not a common security policy to be implemented into all browsers to prevent for instance the storm of SQL I-frame malware installs etc. It does not exist or there is just a general outlay to plan it...
It seems that NoScript in Fx is more or less their last bastion that has not been circumvented, and still stands as a rock.
Perspectives, RequestPolicy, CSP firekeeper and TDN all help towards a more secure Fx or Flock browser, but there is still along way to go, and the interests of web-developers, click-stream-trackers and profilers to bend the security rules a bit or byte to make that functionality possible does not help either towards that goal of better security.
There are people that are directing these questions of in-browser security. I am one of them. So let us join forces together and make all browsers more secure,

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Re: IBM: Avoid using Internet Explorer browser!
« Reply #50 on: February 02, 2009, 10:08:20 PM »
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Really. I wasn't aware of that. But Win explorer is off line so how does IE come into play? When I search an Outlook file while using it, the online help comes up under FF. Do you have anywhere I can study your findings? Thanks.  :)

Basically it is using IE in the background to display the folder view in windows explorer, so whether or not you realise it many functions in windows use IE for the display function.

The key word in your response is 'online' what you are viewing is a standard web page. When I said help file, they are .chm file types that reside on your system, the on-line help files are .html/.htm, etc. format and your browser is used to display that.
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Re: IBM: Avoid using Internet Explorer browser!
« Reply #51 on: February 02, 2009, 11:20:38 PM »
Thanks to DavidR & Polonus for that info. I guess I better keep IE healthy even though I don't use it.  8)

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Re: IBM: Avoid using Internet Explorer browser!
« Reply #52 on: February 02, 2009, 11:28:26 PM »
You're welcome.

Yes, sneaky really, so you have to keep IE up to date even if you don't use it as your browser.
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Re: IBM: Avoid using Internet Explorer browser!
« Reply #53 on: February 05, 2009, 10:20:05 PM »
i use internet explorer and have had no problems with it.

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Re: IBM: Avoid using Internet Explorer browser!
« Reply #54 on: February 07, 2009, 03:58:29 PM »
-= Is IE really unsafe..? I hope IE8 will be released with extra-"security" widgets..
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Re: IBM: Avoid using Internet Explorer browser!
« Reply #55 on: February 07, 2009, 07:49:37 PM »
-= Is IE really unsafe..? I hope IE8 will be released with extra-"security" widgets..

It has extra security but I don't think they are called "widgets".

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Re: IBM: Avoid using Internet Explorer browser!
« Reply #56 on: February 07, 2009, 11:57:21 PM »
-= Is IE really unsafe..? I hope IE8 will be released with extra-"security" widgets..

I have my own widget but it has nothing to do with IE 7 or IE8
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