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AMMB & AntiSpyware queries?
« on: December 15, 2008, 02:58:40 PM »
Hi there,

Both AMMB & SuperAntiSpyware are free too but with some options unavailable in the free ones.

But SuperAntispyware is resident/ active, with real time protection.........is this limited for a few days?

If one was to purchase what would you smart people recommend?

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Re: AMMB & AntiSpyware queries?
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2008, 03:31:38 PM »
But SuperAntispyware is resident/ active, with real time protection.........is this limited for a few days?
Yes.

If one was to purchase what would you smart people recommend?
David has bought it.
In my opinion, it won't add that much protection to avast antispyware definitions nowadays.
I'll use it only on demand (the free version).
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Re: AMMB & AntiSpyware queries?
« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2008, 03:57:25 PM »
These two programs are the best in their field these days, no doubt about it. Can't go wrong with either of them. BTW by AMMB you mean MBAM(Malwarebytes' Anti-Malware) right ?

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Re: AMMB & AntiSpyware queries?
« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2008, 04:18:50 PM »
Thanks Tech & darth-mikey,

So this real time is limited, so I'll follow in your foot steps Tech on my XPS, just installed Avast & running boot scan.

Yes by AMMB I meant MBAM......apologize about the poor typo.
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Re: AMMB & AntiSpyware queries?
« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2008, 04:21:42 PM »
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Installed Vista, drivers, Office 2007, Service Packs , updates & now Avast updated & running its scan.
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Re: AMMB & AntiSpyware queries?
« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2008, 04:27:06 PM »
But SuperAntispyware is resident/ active, with real time protection.........is this limited for a few days?
Yes.

If one was to purchase what would you smart people recommend?
David has bought it.
In my opinion, it won't add that much protection to avast antispyware definitions nowadays.
I'll use it only on demand (the free version).

Which Free one do you mean Tech.......SuperAntispyware or MBAM?

Thanks.
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Re: AMMB & AntiSpyware queries?
« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2008, 04:30:59 PM »
He was talking about SAS... But i know he uses them both as do most of us here. ;)

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Re: AMMB & AntiSpyware queries?
« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2008, 04:40:07 PM »
Thanks darth_mikey for clarifying.

Why do use both?

Why do you have UAC turned ON?
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Re: AMMB & AntiSpyware queries?
« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2008, 04:41:39 PM »
I guess because I purchased the Pro version of SAS he means he uses that as on-demand (free) only.

I had already bought SAS Pro before I started using MBAM (I felt at the one off small cost it was worthwhile). Though I feel SAS has a few more functions and configurability not in MBAM but it is only really the resident function you get when you pay (same for paid version of MBAM), so you can happily use both as on-demand scanners. Or choose one as resident (paid) but not two resident options as they may clash.
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Re: AMMB & AntiSpyware queries?
« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2008, 05:01:35 PM »
Thanks DavidR,

I understood what you wrote.

Personally you prefer SAS over MBAM?
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Re: AMMB & AntiSpyware queries?
« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2008, 05:03:09 PM »
Thanks darth_mikey for clarifying.

Why do use both?

Why do you have UAC turned ON?

I use both for scanning purposes only. No malware scanner has a 100 percent detection rate that is why it's good to have a second opinion. Just in case one misses something perhaps the other will detect it. That's the theory. As you can see from my signature i use the free versions of both programs which means they're both non-resident, for a resident anti spyware app i use Windows Defender(and only this one). David already mentioned that two resident scanners running at the same time can create problems and he is totally correct there( as usual  ;D ).

I have UAC turned on simply because it increases my security and believe me it does. But because it's damn annoying at times i also use the Norton UAC tool which decreases the amount of pop ups from UAC since you can make it remember what you allowed/blocked. Very cool tool and i always thought MS should have included this functionality in the first place. Now read bellow to get some more detailed info about UAC and Norton UAC Tool.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_Account_Control
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User Account Control (UAC) is a technology and security infrastructure introduced with Microsoft's Windows Vista operating system. It aims to improve the security of Microsoft Windows by limiting application software to standard user privileges until an administrator authorizes an increase in privilege level. In this way, only applications that the user trusts receive higher privileges, and malware should be kept from receiving the privileges necessary to compromise the operating system. In other words, a user account may have administrator privileges assigned to it, but applications that the user runs do not also have those privileges unless they are approved beforehand or the user explicitly authorizes it to have higher privileges.

To reduce the possibility of lower-privilege applications communicating with higher-privilege ones, another new technology, User Interface Privilege Isolation is used in conjunction with User Account Control to isolate these processes from each other.[1] One prominent use of this is Internet Explorer 7's "Protected Mode".[2]

Here is what a developer of the Norton UAC tool has to say about it, he explains how it works. Quoted from BetaNews page.
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[disclosure: I am a developer at Symantec and was involved in the Norton UAC Tool. I am posting here because I wanted to clarify a few things regarding the Norton UAC Tool and respond to a few of the concerns posted in comments.]

The Norton UAC tool allows an application to run with silently-elevated privileges only in a specific context that was previously approved by the user with the "don't ask again" check box selected.

This means that there is a difference between regedit.exe launched from the start->run box, regedit.exe originating from a shortcut double click, and regedit.exe launched from a double click on a .reg file (and the context actually changes with each .reg file), and regedit.exe being launched by an application (malicious or not).

Given the contextual awareness of Norton UAC tool's automatic answering, the Norton UAC tool provides a usability improvement over Vista's default UAC prompts, while maintaining obvious security improvements in the Vista kernel (such as isolation, file/registry virtualization, and user interface privilege isolation) that are all disabled when UAC is disabled.

We decided to write this tool after we noticed two alarming trends with UAC. The first is that users fully disable UAC - which is a horrible workaround to a minor usability issue (since it disables isolation and virtualization - which in turn removes IE's protected mode). The second is that users get so used to responding to UAC prompts with "allow" that the prompts are often not even read by the user (Chicken Little "the sky is falling syndrome).

As a result, we are collecting information on the subject matter of prompts in addition to the response times to determine if reducing the overall number of prompts (by allowing users to remember their answers) causes users to spend more time reading the prompts... Microsoft records very similar timing and response information for all of Vista and Office when you agree to take part in the Customer Experience Improvement Program.

As for the impact to your system, the Norton UAC tool produces no running processes and is only active during a UAC prompt. We worked very hard to ensure the Norton UAC tool as as fast or faster than the built in Vista UAC prompts

EDIT: Link for Norton UAC Tool in case you decide to use it. ;) http://www.nortonlabs.com/inthelab/uac.php
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Re: AMMB & AntiSpyware queries?
« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2008, 06:42:01 PM »
Very smart indeed darth_mikey, I'm impressed!
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Re: AMMB & AntiSpyware queries?
« Reply #12 on: December 17, 2008, 01:47:27 AM »
Mikey,
I'll try this on Windows 7 tomorrow just to see if it also helps on that system.  :)
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Re: AMMB & AntiSpyware queries?
« Reply #13 on: December 17, 2008, 10:08:38 AM »
Hello DavidR,

You have SAS but I feel more comfy with MBAM.......what do you think about purchasing it for real time protection?

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Re: AMMB & AntiSpyware queries?
« Reply #14 on: December 17, 2008, 03:52:17 PM »
Each to their own it is a matter of choice, but the cost is small and a one off cost, and the resident anti-malware protection will I believe improve overall system protection and it shouldn't conflict with avast.

I haven't used it as a resident anti-malware scanner (already having SAS resident, you don't want two resident anti-spy/malware programs), so I have no practical experience of the resident function. However, the on-demand function works well and is relatively fast and low on resources, so I would hope the resident function would be at least as good.
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