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Re: Why do I only have 3gb ram and not 4gb?
« Reply #15 on: July 19, 2009, 03:50:15 AM »
I use it too (latest version is 0.3.4), but for a non-specialist that really only wants to find how much RAM their graphics card/chip uses (in this case) is perhaps too much information and the SIW is a good all round tool and saves your average user having multiple tools.

Yeah i need to update hehe ;D

Still it doesn't hurt to link to the program does it ? ;)

I guess one could use the dxdiag way or look in the control panel or use system information aswell if he really just wants to find that out, those are even simpler and faster methods ...
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Re: Why do I only have 3gb ram and not 4gb?
« Reply #16 on: July 19, 2009, 03:39:48 PM »
Nothing in the System Information (of XP) that gives graphics RAM info, so I and others can't use that.
Thanks, I had forgotten about the DirectX Diagnostics on my new system I have never used it as I'm not a gamer and never really needed to check and DX settings.
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Re: Why do I only have 3gb ram and not 4gb?
« Reply #17 on: July 20, 2009, 02:51:32 PM »
Ahh ok, I forgot about that Video Memory takes it.  ;) I got 1gb Thanks Guys
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Re: Why do I only have 3gb ram and not 4gb?
« Reply #18 on: July 21, 2009, 12:53:53 AM »
I finally got SIW to work on my Vista machine, but it wouldn't show on XP.  I have 448 shared Video memory of a 4 GB memory total.  Does that mean, I can only use 3500 of it because I have a 32 bit machine? Also it says Data width 64 bits on memory slot 1 and 2.  What does that mean ?  I have a 32 bit machine.  I have noticed that the new laptops being sold have 64 bits.  Is that significantly faster?  I know they will take more RAM (up to 8 GB).

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Re: Why do I only have 3gb ram and not 4gb?
« Reply #19 on: July 21, 2009, 01:33:39 AM »
When it talks of shared memory it normally means that you have an on-board graphics chip and it shares the RAM on your system, in this case it takes 448MB of your 4GB.

Well I'm using XP Pro and obviously SIW works on my system, so I don't know why not on yours, what errors are displayed ?
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Re: Why do I only have 3gb ram and not 4gb?
« Reply #20 on: July 21, 2009, 04:41:44 AM »
There are no errors David.  The application was on my desktop, but it was lost among all the other links I had.  When I put it on My Vista machine, it opened automatically, so I though it hadn't installed on XP, but it had.  It certainly gives a lot of information.  Thanks for the link.
What a difference in the amount of Video RAM on a 6 year old machine compared to the Vista machine I got last year..  I only had 64 MB of video RAM on the old one with 1 GB of memory. 
One question?
Since a 64 bit machine could use more RAM, would I see a lot of difference between a 32 bit machine and a 64 bit?  If so what kinds of applications would be affected the most? 

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Re: Why do I only have 3gb ram and not 4gb?
« Reply #21 on: July 21, 2009, 10:47:12 AM »
@roro

I set up a Folder C:\Download to download and test applications that I think are interesting and remove the downloaded file after install or if it is a standalone I leave it there. 

Storing things on the Desktop makes for an awful messy Desktop.

64 bit processors are faster but not much software is written yet to support 64 bit processors effectively.

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Re: Why do I only have 3gb ram and not 4gb?
« Reply #22 on: July 21, 2009, 11:20:20 AM »
YoKenny,
Can applications that run on 32 bit Vista, run on 64 bit Vista; although, not any better than they run on 32 bit, if they haven't been written for 64?  I hope that is too confusing a sentence.
If they can, it would make sense to get a 64 bit machine and wait for updates on software.
I know what you mean about a cluttered desktop.  I try to compact mine into folders, but it still seems to increase tenfold.

RoRo
« Last Edit: July 21, 2009, 11:21:56 AM by roro »

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Re: Why do I only have 3gb ram and not 4gb?
« Reply #23 on: July 21, 2009, 11:48:05 AM »
32 bit applications can run on 64 bit Vista.

Applications are either 32 bit or 64 bit so 32 bit apps will run on both systems but 64 bit applications will not run on 32 bit systems.

I don't have enough money to purchase a 64 bit system to try the performance improvement.

I do not keep Folders on my Desktop only icons for applications that I install and even then some icons I remove as some applications I use very infrequently and access them through  Start  All Programs menu.

I do have a Folder icon for C:\Download on the Desktop though.

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Re: Why do I only have 3gb ram and not 4gb?
« Reply #24 on: July 21, 2009, 12:30:58 PM »
Thanks for the information.  I am not ready to spend for a 64 bit system either, but I have a friend who is in the market for a new laptop and was asking about getting a 64 bit OS.  Now I can tell her definitely yes.
I definitely should put a download folder on my desktop, and I think I will move my folders to a folder on the C drive.  Those are both good suggestions.
Thanks again.

RoRo

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Re: Why do I only have 3gb ram and not 4gb?
« Reply #25 on: July 21, 2009, 04:18:05 PM »
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One question?
Since a 64 bit machine could use more RAM, would I see a lot of difference between a 32 bit machine and a 64 bit?  If so what kinds of applications would be affected the most? 

RoRo

You would see a lot of difference and not all of it good. One of the biggest issues is hardware drivers as many manufacturers are loath to make 64bit drivers for old hardware so little things like printer drivers, etc. may not be available for your printer, etc.

Some programs won't work at all older ones which would run under compatibility mode on your existing OS, but 32bit programs generally will still work, but won't benefit from the 64bit enhancements.

The problem is that you generally won't find out things like this until you have your 64bit OS.

Getting a new laptop with a 64bit OS would seem a reasonable way to go as drivers shouldn't be much of an issue, except for external hardware. If I were in the market for a new laptop I would be waiting for the release of win7 as to me it doesn't make sense to get one now with Vista. I know you can at some point in time get a free upgrade to win7 having bought Vista so close to the release of win7.

However, for me upgrades no matter what is said are at best a compromise and if I had the option I would prefer a clean install, so getting it on a new system is probably the best way to go.
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Re: Why do I only have 3gb ram and not 4gb?
« Reply #26 on: July 21, 2009, 09:26:11 PM »
You would see a lot of difference and not all of it good. One of the biggest issues is hardware drivers as many manufacturers are loath to make 64bit drivers for old hardware so little things like printer drivers, etc. may not be available for your printer, etc.

Some programs won't work at all older ones which would run under compatibility mode on your existing OS, but 32bit programs generally will still work, but won't benefit from the 64bit enhancements.

The problem is that you generally won't find out things like this until you have your 64bit OS.

Getting a new laptop with a 64bit OS would seem a reasonable way to go as drivers shouldn't be much of an issue, except for external hardware. If I were in the market for a new laptop I would be waiting for the release of win7 as to me it doesn't make sense to get one now with Vista. I know you can at some point in time get a free upgrade to win7 having bought Vista so close to the release of win7.

However, for me upgrades no matter what is said are at best a compromise and if I had the option I would prefer a clean install, so getting it on a new system is probably the best way to go.

I do not know if "loath" is the right word but from history right down to Win95 hardware drivers have been an issue and Win98SE attempted to relieve this and even WinME was better that I really liked. 

Its evolution not revolution.
I look forward to Windows 7 in October.

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Re: Why do I only have 3gb ram and not 4gb?
« Reply #27 on: July 21, 2009, 11:11:58 PM »
It is I believe very close to the mark (Unwilling or reluctant; disinclined:) and was shorter than "tight as a ducks back passage" when money is concerned creating 64bit drivers for old hardware.
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Re: Why do I only have 3gb ram and not 4gb?
« Reply #28 on: July 22, 2009, 01:05:04 PM »
So why is it that A lot of people have trouble running 32bit programs on 64bit OS =o?

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Re: Why do I only have 3gb ram and not 4gb?
« Reply #29 on: July 22, 2009, 03:13:26 PM »
It is impossible to say (other than what has already been said) as we don't know what those 32bit applications were.

There are 32bit applications that don't even work on 32bit OS versions of XP and Vista or they have to be run in compatibility mode as they are old applications. So god knows how they might fare on a 64bit OS.
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