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tkrbrian

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Hi guys. Do you guys think that microsoft security essentials has set the standards high for these coming products? And the new products will be lite with more security features , faster updates ,faster startups etc. ?? what will be the future of products like iobit360 antispyware; HIPs related small applications; spywareterminator and spywareblaster etc.??
Are we going to see more complete antivirus for free???????? We can count on more secure operating systems , highly secure browsers in the coming years and the products like sandboxie and returnil used by masses and we will be the real winners (Norton cant rip you off no more ;D) ……..what do you guys think???? waiting for avast 5 with high expectations….hope we get a good product and do not have to use seven third party, cpu and ram eating software to feel protected .

It has also been proved that you dont need 70+mb of antivirus software; downloads can be made faster even for free product updates; you dont have to be reminded every 30sec. that you are protected and you dont need too many  products to be protected.... now it looks like only the best are going to survive and malware writing thugs are going to have a hard life.

AVAST5 home maybe is going to be the next generation of security product for the masses for free......the ??is who is going to pay for security if its free.......businesses ; banks; hospitals etc......not average people... we dont make malware and dont expect to pay to be protected or it will be extortion......

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Re: Avast5,AVG9 and Microsoft security essentials the generation next
« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2009, 06:55:46 AM »
bla bla bla...

it's microsoft.

They want to make a presence in security now, since they've sucked so bad in the past.

If you want to trust your pc to their hands, go for it.  Otherwise, pay for a better solution, or make a layered security approach.

MBAM + Avast + Hosts file + Firefox + Noscript + Smart browsing techniques (don't open an email from obvious bad guys, don't browse child porn sites, etc.)

Always have a firewall, software and/or hardware.

Other than that, you're set.  As for microsoft's software, I know it's not bad, but it's not good enough on it's own.

That's my $.02
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Re: Avast5,AVG9 and Microsoft security essentials the generation next
« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2009, 02:33:30 PM »
What do you mean by "host file" & "no script"

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Re: Avast5,AVG9 and Microsoft security essentials the generation next
« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2009, 02:35:58 PM »
What do you mean by "host file" & "no script"

hosts file : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hosts_file
               http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm

noscript : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NoScript

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Re: Avast5,AVG9 and Microsoft security essentials the generation next
« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2009, 03:30:34 PM »
Microsoft security essentials has just been released very recently. And as of yet, I have seen no AV comparatives on it.
Maybe in a few months there will be some reliable testing to base an opinion on. Meanwhile, why rely on a pig in the poke?

I agree with others who have already mentioned a multilayered security system with prevention as the base idea.

And to a certain extent, I wonder if security essentials will be like the windows XP sp2 firewall, much better than nothing at all
but decidedly inferior to virtually every decent two way third party software firewall on the planet.

We also have to remember that the bad guys who write malware are a clever and constantly evolving bunch,  always at least a half step
ahead of us. And with something that sure to be popular like Microsoft security essentials, the malware writers will put it on test bed computers and keep refining their wares until it gets through. Then they will release it into the wild. Would you rely on Microsoft with  its glacially slow patching for protection from new threats? Especially when you know products like Avast patch fast and score highly on AV comparatives. 

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Re: Avast5,AVG9 and Microsoft security essentials the generation next
« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2009, 05:25:17 AM »

Thanks. The point  is if we have to have paid security software to be protected why are the top antivirus and antimalware companies giving out free products for home users, that means either the free products are  not good enough  and  or they eventually want us to pay for their products. If that’s the case then why not trust Microsoft (they don’t have a paid product)  .I am not an expert in security products just an average home  user nor I love Microsoft  but whoever provides better quality security for free people will go for it; avast, Microsoft or even Norton …

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Re: Avast5,AVG9 and Microsoft security essentials the generation next
« Reply #6 on: October 10, 2009, 05:57:26 AM »
@tkrbrian

Please read:
Can you Trust Free Anti-Virus?
http://blog.avast.com/2009/08/04/can-you-trust-free-anti-virus
Can you Trust Free Anti-Virus? (Part 2)
http://blog.avast.com/2009/08/06/can-you-trust-free-anti-virus-part-2

Think about Layered Protection as no one anti virus application is 100% effective.

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Microsoft Security Essentials provides updates daily and its currently at:
Microsoft Security Essentials Version:  1.0.1611.0
Antimalware Client Version: 2.0.6212.0
Engine Version: 1.1.5101.0
Antivirus definitions: 1.67.549.0
Antispyware definitions: 1.67.549.0

Next Patch Tuesday Microsoft is releasing 13 updates:
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/ms09-oct.mspx
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Re: Avast5,AVG9 and Microsoft security essentials the generation next
« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2009, 10:20:17 AM »
Thank you guys again. What kind of layered security are we talking about?? I have vista sp2 with 3gb ram.The security I use is MSE (real time), vista firewall, sandboxie free, malwarebytes free, opera10, ccleaner and that’s all. I surf freely. What kind of other security do you advise.
Please don’t tell me not to surf this or that its not a practical approach with teenagers living in the house. I cant block stuff because they are smarter and teenagers will surf porn its normal.
Do you guys feel that free security software providers should inform us about the limitations of their product  and let us know what other type of protection is needed so we do not get a false sense of security.
 

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Re: Avast5,AVG9 and Microsoft security essentials the generation next
« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2009, 12:58:03 PM »
Sandboxie is good but I don't use it and don't know how good the Pro version is.

Malwarebytes has a one time charge that provides real-time protection.

WinPatrol free is a Security Monitor that provides an additional protection and the PLUS update is a one time charge that provides aditional benefits:
http://www.winpatrol.com/upgrade.html

I use a HOSTS file for an aditional layer of protection:
Blocking Unwanted Parasites with a Hosts File
http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm
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Re: Avast5,AVG9 and Microsoft security essentials the generation next
« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2009, 04:59:07 AM »
One last thought friends is that…if Microsoft security essentials is not a total security solution (OR IS IT??) and we need layers of other multiple security related software then why does Microsoft wants us to REMOVE ANY OTHER SECURITY RELATED SOFTWARE  in the first place??? Any one from Microsoft????
And about Microsoft wanting a piece of the security business they can have the whole cake as long they provide reliable high quality product with faster updates and we get it for free (and not get malware). Getting angry at Microsoft is pointless, the only way is to make a better free product …..
 Can we trust Microsoft?? If we can trust(thats why I use it) their buggy xp operating system why not this nice little product which is for free…..looking forward to avast5.… :-X

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Re: Avast5,AVG9 and Microsoft security essentials the generation next
« Reply #10 on: October 11, 2009, 06:24:42 AM »
Scythe944 offered a pretty good example of a layered security combo.
I would think that if the web browsing was done in Sandboxie it should be safe. Any files saved from sandboxie to the main file structure should be perhaps left there a few days and scanned before running them, in case of zero-day threats. I think you have to be a bit unlucky to score a zero-day (malware so new it hasn't been detected by the AV scanners..yet.) but there are recent examples of folk on this forum who have been infected by such a beast, rogue antimalware, in the cases I'm thinking of.

In terms of "don't surf this or that", it's no longer the case that you have to be on a porn site to get hit..plenty of legitimate sites get hacked and exploits inserted as a surprise gift for the next site visitor, simply by virtue of out of date or vulnerable hosting or web software, or ads not being checked properly etc. So although it may be more likey to contract malware on a porn site, it's not always the case.
The one thing that is almost guaranteed to host malware is downloading cracked (warez) files, keygens etc, usually via p2p or torrents. If you normally have to pay for some software, and can get it for "free", it more often than not comes with a nasty surprise. Caution the kids on this. I read about it all the time. (Plus it's also illegal.)

As for trusting MS, well, I don't know. Don't need to know. Quite happy with Avast. Reports I've read indicate that MSE appears quite promising, but if something is working well for me, I have no need to change without good reason.
I would imagine MS aren't' interested in testing their package with all the good (and not good) 3rd party software around. (MBAM, Sybot, SAS, etc) for compatibility, so saying to uninstall it is probably a blanket statement. Stuff might work with it, but I wouldn't count on support if it all goes wrong.
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Re: Avast5,AVG9 and Microsoft security essentials the generation next
« Reply #11 on: October 11, 2009, 06:35:28 AM »
In terms of "don't surf this or that", it's no longer the case that you have to be on a porn site to get hit..plenty of legitimate sites get hacked and exploits inserted as a surprise gift for the next site visitor, simply by virtue of out of date or vulnerable hosting or web software, or ads not being checked properly etc. So although it may be more likey to contract malware on a porn site, it's not always the case.
That's why I gave up on increasing scan engines and went for ease-of-use virtualization...personally, I use Returnil 2008 (I cannot recommend Returnil 2010...it still has issues...)  I hear good things about Sandboxie, too.