Author Topic: It's time to bring the EULA madness to an end!  (Read 5683 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline nmb

  • Avast Evangelist
  • Massive Poster
  • ***
  • Posts: 3054
It's time to bring the EULA madness to an end!
« on: October 08, 2009, 07:10:57 PM »
quote:

It’s time to bring the EULA madness to an end!

    * If it can’t be said in a few sentences, it doesn’t need saying!
    * If it can’t be said in plain speak, it doesn’t need saying!
    * If it can’t be said without hyperlinking to more jargon and legalese,  it doesn’t need saying!
    * If the EULA can’t be presented in such a way as to make it easy for the end user to read, it doesn’t need saying!

more : Hardware 2.0

thoughts?

nmb

YoKenny

  • Guest
Re: It's time to bring the EULA madness to an end!
« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2009, 09:37:13 PM »
Its because lawyers are involved.

Lawyer Jokes:
Q: What's the difference between a good lawyer and a bad lawyer?
A: A bad lawyer can let a case drag out for several years. A good lawyer can make it last even longer.
Q: What's the difference between a dead skunk on the road and a dead lawyer on the road?
A: There are skid marks in front of the skunk.

Satan was complaining bitterly to God:

"You made the world so that it was not fair, and you made it so that most people would have to struggle every day, fight against their innate wishes and desires, and deal with all sorts of losses, grief, disasters, and catastrophes. Yet people worship and adore you. People fight, get arrested, and cheat each other, and I get blamed, even when it is not my fault. Sure, I'm not perfect, but give me a break. Can't you do something to make them stop blaming me?"

And so God created lawyers.

When lawyers have made all their millions and are bored and become politicians and like to hear their own voice discourse for hours why the current issue should be debated with a 10 person committee and grant Billions of $$$ to bail out failed banks and auto manfacturers to keep themselves entertained perplexes me.
« Last Edit: October 08, 2009, 10:01:55 PM by YoKenny »

normishmael

  • Guest
Re: It's time to bring the EULA madness to an end!
« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2009, 09:44:35 PM »
Yo-Kenny:

There was a time when I would have argued vehemently with you,
or shot back with,"Yeah until you need one"!!
 After having had a little experience with them,I now say you are
pretty well spot-on.
EULA's are awful.
Try reading the full product literature for a prescription medication.
You will never take your blood pressure pill again!

Online DavidR

  • Avast Überevangelist
  • Certainly Bot
  • *****
  • Posts: 88895
  • No support PMs thanks
Re: It's time to bring the EULA madness to an end!
« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2009, 10:01:59 PM »
Or another what do you call 25 lawyers at the bottom of the Hudson river.











A good start.
Windows 10 Home 64bit/ Acer Aspire F15/ Intel Core i5 7200U 2.5GHz, 8GB DDR4 memory, 256GB SSD, 1TB HDD/ avast! free 24.2.6105 (build 24.2.8918.824) UI 1.0.799/ Firefox, uBlock Origin, uMatrix/ MailWasher Pro/ Avast! Mobile Security

YoKenny

  • Guest
Re: It's time to bring the EULA madness to an end!
« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2009, 10:14:42 PM »
@DavirR
I'm gonna let the EPA know that the Hudson river will now become more polluted than it already is:
http://www.epa.gov

Hermite15

  • Guest
Re: It's time to bring the EULA madness to an end!
« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2009, 11:14:08 PM »
yeah guys, I'm afraid EULAs need to be that way, that long and that complicated as companies need to protect themselves before the law, and the law is complex. I'm not a lawyer, just guessing  ;) They need to be able to fight back in any case, as much as possible, so don't expect EULAs to change anytime soon  :)

Offline bob3160

  • Avast Überevangelist
  • Probably Bot
  • *****
  • Posts: 48523
  • 64 Years of Happiness
    • bob3160 Protecting Yourself, Your Computer and, Your Identity
Re: It's time to bring the EULA madness to an end!
« Reply #6 on: October 09, 2009, 01:36:47 AM »
Quote
so don't expect EULAs to change anytime soon
EUla's didn't do Microsoft any good.  ;D ;D ;D
Free Security Seminar: https://bit.ly/bobg2023  -  Important: http://www.organdonor.gov/ -- My Web Site: http://bob3160.strikingly.com/ - Win 11 Pro v22H2 64bit, 16 Gig Ram, 1TB SSD, Avast Free 23.5.6066, How to Successfully Install Avast http://goo.gl/VLXdeRepair & Clean Install https://goo.gl/t7aJGq -- My Online Activity https://bit.ly/BobGInternet

Omega40

  • Guest
Re: It's time to bring the EULA madness to an end!
« Reply #7 on: October 09, 2009, 02:40:41 AM »
Love lawyer jokes!  ;D

Offline nmb

  • Avast Evangelist
  • Massive Poster
  • ***
  • Posts: 3054
Re: It's time to bring the EULA madness to an end!
« Reply #8 on: October 09, 2009, 11:47:48 AM »
possible, so don't expect EULAs to change anytime soon  :)

someone needs to take a look at it!

nmb

Hermite15

  • Guest
Re: It's time to bring the EULA madness to an end!
« Reply #9 on: October 09, 2009, 12:07:30 PM »
possible, so don't expect EULAs to change anytime soon  :)

someone needs to take a look at it!

nmb

that's not what they're for  ;D in other words, although they concern the users (and the company...) essentially, they're not meant to be read by users, but by specialists, lawyers etc...they're not meant to confuse users purposely. Companies know in advance most users won't be patient enough to read the text, they just make the EULA as complex as possible to defend their interests in case of conflict.

Offline Tarq57

  • Avast Evangelist
  • Massive Poster
  • ***
  • Posts: 3695
  • If at first you don’t succeed; call it version 1.0
Re: It's time to bring the EULA madness to an end!
« Reply #10 on: October 09, 2009, 12:11:47 PM »
Deleted, too OT.
« Last Edit: October 09, 2009, 01:23:55 PM by Tarq57 »
Windows 10,Windows Firewall,Firefox w/Adblock.

Offline nmb

  • Avast Evangelist
  • Massive Poster
  • ***
  • Posts: 3054
Re: It's time to bring the EULA madness to an end!
« Reply #11 on: October 09, 2009, 01:17:22 PM »
that's not what they're for  ;D in other words, although they concern the users (and the company...) essentially, they're not meant to be read by users, but by specialists, lawyers etc...they're not meant to confuse users purposely. Companies know in advance most users won't be patient enough to read the text, they just make the EULA as complex as possible to defend their interests in case of conflict.

You didn't understand what I said. I meant, if someone starts really thinking about it.. gets ideas like the one in the link I have given....
may be the madness might end.

nmb

Hermite15

  • Guest
Re: It's time to bring the EULA madness to an end!
« Reply #12 on: October 09, 2009, 01:22:10 PM »
oh I didn't understand what you were saying lol ;D you should have mentioned what you were referring to then ::)

Offline nmb

  • Avast Evangelist
  • Massive Poster
  • ***
  • Posts: 3054
Re: It's time to bring the EULA madness to an end!
« Reply #13 on: October 09, 2009, 05:23:06 PM »
The EULA ... your views

quote:

“EULAs summed up in one phrase - ‘you lose, sucker!’”

more : Hardware 2.0