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Re: MS openly declared war on linux (and open software)
« Reply #45 on: January 03, 2010, 12:08:37 AM »
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Okay guys. The person who said Linux based OSs are hard to use is wrong. I had Ubuntu for several weeks and to be honest, it surprised me. I was expecting something much dumber than that.

Updating - well, that's the easiest thing so far. When you install the OS everything gets automatically updated, zero errors. My Wi-Fi modem started working immediately, I didn't even have to set it up. Driver updates are also relatively easy, but often need rebooting (nothing new, guys). Customising is also easy, but it is definately harder than in Windows. Program support, well, that's a minus too. But man, you don't need an antivirus, guys! Like on those Macs. Yeah, those shiny things.

Windows 7 - that's what I am comparing Ubuntu 9 with. Updating also works good. It is WAY more customisable, the desktop effects are not so good compared to Ubuntu, though. Even though 7 is all shiny and stuff, that wacky window moving in Ubuntu made me smile. It is way more usable but not that stable compared to Ubuntu. Things can easily crash (lol, Mac commercials). However, most of the stuff is fixed on your shiny Windows 7, but browsing the net is hell with and can be a lot more frustrating.

So in the end, dual boot 7 with Ubuntu for backup purposes, guys! Linux is free, so no harm checking it out. The only thing that's really bad is that uninstalling Ubuntu can be... frustrating. I solved this case with a complete system format, though.
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Re: MS openly declared war on linux (and open software)
« Reply #46 on: January 03, 2010, 12:22:05 AM »
I prefer this post; been dual-booting with PCLinuxOS and then Mandriva... will probably reinstall Mandriva one of these days. Yeah, I'm a KDE freak  ;D although many (still a minority) do run Gnome on Mandriva. 3D desktops are indeed amazing...Gnome Shell will be out soon, when Gnome 3 is out in a few months, let's see if it lives up to its ambitions and if Gnome becomes an acceptable deskkop  ;) Got the feeling that Gnome is finally changing. Anyway, I'll probably be back in KDE 4.3 very soon...good news for those who don't like me very much here, I won't post very often on avast forums when I'm in Linux  ;D ...just got to solve a couple of things first...issues I got in Seven when dual-booting...for unknown reasons..issues I didn't have with XP+Linux. You know, I like Linux very much (this is not sarcastic), but I'm not blind.
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you didn't need to do that, why ? I mean there are ways to solve bootloader issues...if that was your issue...first thing to keep in mind to avoid future disasters is to know exactly what you want and how you want it before installing Linux in dual-boot, and for Christ's sake avoid letting the partition manager decide for you at setup time  ;)
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Re: MS openly declared war on linux (and open software)
« Reply #47 on: January 03, 2010, 12:27:33 AM »
Hi forum friends,

I could have known where this thread would go when I started this one... Well, sometimes one cannot go round a link about MS versus linux or open software versus closed software. Yes, my good forum friends, and as long as we can keep emotions out of the debate, it is all-right - we learn all the way, and how!

 I don't mind having the litany read about the one or the other platform, the pro's and cons,  I do not mind I was no one's fanboy- never, and I am open-minded,

I think I had a lot of profit  from open software contributions, as there are - firekeeper, snort, analyzing coding, script reversal, script analysis - these issues are the very gifts the open software community brought us and we have to be ever grateful - they taught me, you, us a lot.

 And as for MS, I am critical but never a MS basher and I for one like to know more about their dll's and their hooks and API's to  be better protected about what malcreants can do there...
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Why they are taking the dll help file for developers off coming February, is beyond me  If they only taught the common user to tweak their OS for security, drop full admin rights as per application (drop rights via specific system proggies), explain their trust model etc. etc. we would have far, far less malware in the world. If a NoScript extension like that of good magician (former hacker) Giorgio Maone would find its way to every browser on whatever platform and AdBlocking came available for those that aren't opening spam because they never get mailed - it would be another world. Two sides of the coin, flip it and look at them unbiased if you can...

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Re: MS openly declared war on linux (and open software)
« Reply #48 on: January 03, 2010, 12:34:12 AM »

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...I'll keep saying what I think...

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One of our more colorful characters of the old west was Judge Roy Bean. If you're not familiar with who he was, here's a brief bio...

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As he was carrying out the sentence on a rather vocal prisoner, he was reported to said to the man:

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Son, when you're swinging in the wind, try not to talk. It just tightens the noose.

We had a stimulating conversation, and I enjoyed it. But frankly, you're cooked.

It's time to move on to some other topic...

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Re: MS openly declared war on linux (and open software)
« Reply #49 on: January 03, 2010, 12:42:12 AM »
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But frankly, you're cooked
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I had the feeling that it was too easy to beat you. The lack of content of your posts was not stimulating but just a tiny bit upsetting to say the least. Don't know what you've been smoking lately...Linux is a serious subject  ;)

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Re: MS openly declared war on linux (and open software)
« Reply #50 on: January 03, 2010, 01:50:09 AM »
Say what you think but give others credit for also having some knowledge.
Especially those that have been here quite a while even if they don't post as much as some of us.  :)
OK let's just say that people like Polonus, Pondus, Essexboy....these are some of the guys I respect here, nothing to do with their post count or how long ago they registered. I respect them and acknowledge their skills. And why do I do that? because it's relevant. What are the other cases where I don't do that? when it's not relevant. Don't make a caricature out of me Bob, I behave differently depending on who I'm talking to, and yeah, this forum mirrors the "outer" world, unsurprisingly  ;)

ps: hmm..on a side note, would you mind reading the source of all this flaming here, and give your opinion ?
http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=52914.msg448993#msg448993
I make (in this case made) my comment after reading all of this thread up to the point where I made my comment.
I therefore also read the post re're link referred to.  :)
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Re: MS openly declared war on linux (and open software)
« Reply #51 on: January 03, 2010, 05:33:27 AM »
Me I think that it is good to have a variety of choice to people :)
They can choose by themselves what they think suits them the best and that they can use it.
Both Microsoft and Ubuntu are made easy but if there is more people in a product it will be developed better right?

Like avast who has about 100 millions users^^

But Windows or Linux I think it is up to the person's choice.

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Re: MS openly declared war on linux (and open software)
« Reply #52 on: January 03, 2010, 05:51:29 AM »
I have my Vista on my laptop, and dual-boot with OpenSuSE 11.2 Gnome...

My personal opinions - since I'm a newbie - I prefer a lot to spend my time with this Linux :)

For simple task like typing, emailing, browsing, googling, chating, photo editing including blogging, I can do all those with Linux very easy. Since I'm a student, I do not need more than simple task daily, and Linux is enough for that.

I may say Windows (Vista) can do it too - but still I like Linux much :)
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Re: MS openly declared war on linux (and open software)
« Reply #53 on: January 03, 2010, 07:31:10 AM »
Crate, you're a spammer and a troll, your posts are empty, your references non-existent, but yeah, go waste your time somewhere else, see ya  ;)

There's one post here that looks like a troll, and that's #29.  ::)

oh yeah, got as many arguments as Crate's against mines wheelin'frank ? another Linux specialist  ;D, yes? no? now come on quote my troll post (#29 remember) and fight my arguments one by one, now come on  ::)
Please stop trying to be "Top Dog" all the time.
There are many other members on this forum who are just as knowledgeable as you. (Some might even be smarter... :) ) ( NO, not me.  :-X )

'nuf said.

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Re: MS openly declared war on linux (and open software)
« Reply #54 on: January 03, 2010, 09:16:37 AM »
Seems that some people feel the necessity to fight even during the holiday season... :-\

Oh well, thread closed.
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