Well, David, the problem seems to be that 4.8.1368 goes back to, I believe, November 27, 2009, and when I go to update, it lumps all the past increments into the update for whatever day I interrogate, and just grinds away until it covers the whole thing. I remember in the past seeing the increments listed as they were loaded, but not since I have been wrestling with this 5.0 mess. I don't know about anyone else's dial-up, but my normal connection speed is 26.4 KBS, and download speed from program sites is normally below 3.0KBS.