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What do you think Avira is?

They are a cheat, no doubt about it.
50 (89.3%)
I trust Avira and I am sure they must have a good reason nehind this.
6 (10.7%)

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Voting closed: July 28, 2010, 02:42:25 PM

Author Topic: Avira pulls off the dirtiest trick on Avast!  (Read 50838 times)

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Re: Avira pulls off the dirtiest trick on Avast!
« Reply #75 on: April 03, 2010, 05:36:47 AM »
Just for the records, the redirection is still there  ???
I just used Free Download Manager to see what was there, see the log.

Code: [Select]
00:36:08 03/04/2010 Starting download...
00:36:08 03/04/2010 GET / HTTP/1.1
Referer: -
Host: www.avast.eu
00:36:09 03/04/2010 HTTP/1.1 301 Moved Permanently
Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2010 03:36:10 GMT
Server: Apache/2.2.9 (Debian)
X-UD-Host: webspace.udag.de
X-UD-Method: header
X-UD-Target: http://www.avira.com
Location: http://www.avira.com
Connection: close
Vary: Accept-Encoding
Content-Length: 0
Content-Type: text/html


00:36:09 03/04/2010 Redirecting...
00:36:09 03/04/2010 Redirection succeeded. Opening new URL
00:36:09 03/04/2010 GET / HTTP/1.1
Referer: -
Host: www.avira.com
00:36:11 03/04/2010 HTTP/1.1 301 Moved Permanently
Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2010 03:36:11 GMT
Server: Apache
Set-Cookie: PHPSESSID=96577428a15804de1a5223535edf8938; path=/
Expires: Thu, 19 Nov 1981 08:52:00 GMT
Cache-Control: no-store, no-cache, must-revalidate, post-check=0, pre-check=0
Pragma: no-cache
Set-Cookie: AV_Lang=En; expires=Sun, 03-Apr-2011 03:36:11 GMT; path=/
location: /en/pages/index.php
Vary: Accept-Encoding
Content-Length: 0
Keep-Alive: timeout=4, max=100
Connection: Keep-Alive
Content-Type: text/html


00:36:11 03/04/2010 Redirecting...
00:36:11 03/04/2010 Redirection succeeded. Opening new URL
00:36:11 03/04/2010 GET /en/pages/index.php HTTP/1.1
Referer: http://www.avira.com/en/pages/
Host: www.avira.com
00:36:11 03/04/2010 HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2010 03:36:12 GMT
Server: Apache
Cache-Control: max-age=1200
Expires: Sat, 03 Apr 2010 05:50:48 +0200
Vary: Accept-Encoding
Keep-Alive: timeout=4, max=99
Connection: Keep-Alive
Transfer-Encoding: chunked
Content-Type: text/html


00:36:12 03/04/2010 Opening file on the disk...
00:36:12 03/04/2010 File already exists. Rename to "index(1).php"
00:36:12 03/04/2010 Succeeded
00:36:12 03/04/2010 [Section 1] - Started
00:36:12 03/04/2010 [Section 1] - Downloading
00:36:12 03/04/2010 Creating new section...
00:36:12 03/04/2010 Cancelled
00:36:13 03/04/2010 [Section 1] - Done
00:36:13 03/04/2010 Download complete

Anyway, why don't we end up with this the easy way?
ALWIL gets avast.eu, Avira GmbH gets antivir.cz, everyone happy, flame war ends.
If not, maybe we'll be seeing soon legal threats between two major AV vendors, while they should be spending that money ;) protecting their customers from the real bad guys.
« Last Edit: April 03, 2010, 05:41:21 AM by dominumds »

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Re: Avira pulls off the dirtiest trick on Avast!
« Reply #76 on: April 03, 2010, 03:41:05 PM »
You obviously haven't read the full information about this or you wouldn't say that.

avast previously have antivir.cz and antivir.com (which means antivirus in the Czech language) which they used. Some years ago they released antivir.com (a worldwide domain) to Avira and they retained antivir.cz which they use in the Czech Republic.

So if this was such an issue for Avira why didn't they negotiate with avast at the time they bought antivir.com a couple of years ago ???

Not to mention we aren't talking about a country specific domain like .cz but one that encompasses many countries in Europe, with the use of a .eu domain name.
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Re: Avira pulls off the dirtiest trick on Avast!
« Reply #77 on: April 03, 2010, 06:12:25 PM »
Well, that was back when AVIRA was called AntiVir. And it kinda made sense back then. But today, it's called AVIRA and chasing the antivir.cz domain is just a hunting for common name. However avast.eu is not related to AVIRA in trillion light years, so AVIRA holding it on purpose is indeed a dirty business practice and even though i don't have anything against AVIRA as an app (because it's pretty good in some aspects), i find this quite offensive.
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Re: Avira pulls off the dirtiest trick on Avast!
« Reply #78 on: April 03, 2010, 10:04:41 PM »
Well, that was back when AVIRA was called AntiVir. And it kinda made sense back then. But today, it's called AVIRA and chasing the antivir.cz domain is just a hunting for common name. However avast.eu is not related to AVIRA in trillion light years, so AVIRA holding it on purpose is indeed a dirty business practice and even though i don't have anything against AVIRA as an app (because it's pretty good in some aspects), i find this quite offensive.
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Re: Avira pulls off the dirtiest trick on Avast!
« Reply #79 on: April 03, 2010, 10:58:07 PM »
so AVIRA holding it on purpose is indeed a dirty business practice and even though i don't have anything against AVIRA as an app (because it's pretty good in some aspects), i find this quite offensive.

Not only offensive but how could I still trust and make business with a company that have such practice? sorry thumb down Avira for me...
« Last Edit: April 03, 2010, 11:51:14 PM by Antarctica »

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Re: Avira pulls off the dirtiest trick on Avast!
« Reply #80 on: April 04, 2010, 02:46:48 AM »
You know I'm not sure if Avira is behind this. It's likely....

It could also be some fanatic of Avast that went to Avira or just doesn't like Avast.

Whatever the case may be, it isn't right.

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Re: Avira pulls off the dirtiest trick on Avast!
« Reply #81 on: April 04, 2010, 03:16:15 AM »
You know I'm not sure if Avira is behind this.
They already know it. They are behind this for sure.
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Re: Avira pulls off the dirtiest trick on Avast!
« Reply #82 on: April 04, 2010, 03:54:34 AM »
You know I'm not sure if Avira is behind this. It's likely....

It could also be some fanatic of Avast that went to Avira or just doesn't like Avast.

Whatever the case may be, it isn't right.

Then why would the CEO of Avira respond to the avast blog and unfortunately since you come to the party a little late and haven't read all the information, when the avast blog that contained it has been removed. Not to mention had you checked the whois information you wouldn't say that.

It is clearly correct.

I believe it was also discussed on the avira forum closed community area also.
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Re: Avira pulls off the dirtiest trick on Avast!
« Reply #83 on: April 04, 2010, 10:52:09 AM »
I just now saw this thread (not sure how I missed it earlier). I posted the thread at dslreports on this and posted in the Avira Miscellaneous forum thread and also in the Avast blog replies.

Didn't you guys see that Vincent thanked Tjark for his post and said "All's well that ends well". I read that and went to sleep. When I got up and tried to refresh the blog page to see if there were new comments, I got Avast's version of a 404 error. The blog had been erased along with all comments and the new one put up.

Evidently, Vincent believes that he will get the domain once the registrar actually releases it. Tjark was being a bit snotty when he indicated that whoever gets there first will get it when it is released. But then Tjark had a right to be a bit snotty as he didn't post that blog. Vincent posted that to force Tjark to respond publicly. Now we have to wait and see if Avast does manage to acquire the domain when it is released or if someone else happens to grab it first. Avast will eventually get it because an appeal would see it granted immediately to Avast.

We'll never know the full story. Like why did Tjark decide to release it two weeks ago...why then in particular? He was tired of phone calls from Vincent? I don't know. I can see nastiness on both sides and what is worse this was a public washing of dirty laundry. That should never happen. It tarnished both companies that their CEO's were acting like children on a school yard playground having a fight.  I have both Avira and Avast and intend to continue to have both but I think it would be nice to replace both CEOs with more mature individuals who can settle problems without resorting to this sort of entertaining spectacle.

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Re: Avira pulls off the dirtiest trick on Avast!
« Reply #84 on: April 04, 2010, 11:05:24 AM »
I have both Avira and Avast and intend to continue to have both but I think it would be nice to replace both CEOs with more mature individuals who can settle problems without resorting to this sort of entertaining spectacle.

Yeah, both the CEOs have acted rather childlishly and now I find faults at both ends.

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Re: Avira pulls off the dirtiest trick on Avast!
« Reply #85 on: April 04, 2010, 12:08:16 PM »
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Re: Avira pulls off the dirtiest trick on Avast!
« Reply #86 on: April 05, 2010, 02:27:49 PM »
For some reason, still the http://www.avast.eu is redirecting to Avira AntiVir's website. This is absurd!

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Re: Avira pulls off the dirtiest trick on Avast!
« Reply #87 on: April 06, 2010, 08:21:13 PM »
Any new news on this topic?

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Re: Avira pulls off the dirtiest trick on Avast!
« Reply #88 on: April 08, 2010, 08:37:50 PM »
I wish some words (maybe from the CEO) about the blog changing and the keeping of the redirection... Is it possible?
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Re: Avira pulls off the dirtiest trick on Avast!
« Reply #89 on: April 09, 2010, 12:07:15 PM »
Some of the replies to the original Avast CEO blog were really informative and I wish they were still available. I recall a couple that explained the process in releasing a domain. I can't remember very well but I think the gist of those comments was that the owner can release the domain at anytime but it isn't released by the registrar until the end of the ownership period. Something like that. If I am remembering correctly then the date when ownship ends is when the domain will become available and Avast should be able to get it not the date when the current owner, Avira CEO, deletes it. I didn't know anything about the process before I read those replies and I really wish the replies were still there so I could read them again and better understand how these things are handled.