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Re: Immunet 2.0 on April 15 <<First Screenshot ever on any outside forum>>
« Reply #15 on: April 12, 2010, 12:07:27 PM »
Hi malware fighters,

I have always considered Immunet Protect as added additional protection. It always said on my puter now Immunet Protect is running besides avast, so it is not a competitive product. If the avast in the cloud protection covers the same, I'd like to hear. Immunet Protect as a project created by former symantec developers was never meant as a resident all-including protection product. If I understood that wrong, I am sorry I ever promoted the use of it. There are lot of tools that can run next to avast, just like TrendMicro's RuBotted, SpyWareBlaster, ClamAV non-resident stand-alone, DrWeb's CureIT, etc. etc. and that does not make us promotors of these products, that is a bit short-tracked conclusion and indeed was never my intension, only for users to try and close the vulnerability window a bit further,

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Re: Immunet 2.0 on April 15 <<First Screenshot ever on any outside forum>>
« Reply #16 on: April 12, 2010, 12:18:17 PM »
If the avast in the cloud protection covers the same, I'd like to hear.

Me too. ;) :D :) ;D I'd like to hear as well.
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Re: Immunet 2.0 on April 15 <<First Screenshot ever on any outside forum>>
« Reply #17 on: April 12, 2010, 08:17:17 PM »
i wonder now what will happen with the Clam Antivirus because for some reason they partnered with this project ...
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Re: Immunet 2.0 on April 15 <<First Screenshot ever on any outside forum>>
« Reply #18 on: April 12, 2010, 08:47:52 PM »
@ Dwarden

ClamAV and Immunet are going to separate and go in different direction after some time.

Immunet just gives them their Real time Shield and they gave their engine and detections in return to be integrated in the cloud infrastructure.

Nothing more

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Re: Immunet 2.0 on April 15 <<First Screenshot ever on any outside forum>>
« Reply #19 on: April 12, 2010, 09:21:47 PM »
ClamAV and Immunet are going to separate and go in different direction after some time.
They always say so... then, sooner or later, the free product is not more updated, disappears from the market, become shareware...
We know the story...
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Re: Immunet 2.0 on April 15 <<First Screenshot ever on any outside forum>>
« Reply #20 on: April 12, 2010, 09:24:05 PM »
Don't worry Tech  ;)

There is an Immunet Protect Pro and Immunet Protect Free

ClamAv is not a part of Immunet

Immunet simply powers it and this will change after some time

We will see on April 15 if they stick with their words.

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Re: Immunet 2.0 on April 15 <<First Screenshot ever on any outside forum>>
« Reply #21 on: April 12, 2010, 09:31:04 PM »
I'm not worried at all :)
Immunet gives me nothing besides avast. The community is very small. I'd rather trust in ThreatFire.
Just I do not trust in companies that change the freeware status into shareware, that "use" the community until the point they can sell their product.
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Re: Immunet 2.0 on April 15 <<First Screenshot ever on any outside forum>>
« Reply #22 on: April 12, 2010, 10:32:09 PM »
My specific objection against these "new" in-the-cloud AV's is that they shamelessly parasite on the existing AV vendors who spent decades of R&D on getting where they are.

I mean, what most of these home-grown clouds do is basically run each of the files through a dozen of AV scanners (in the cloud) and if at least some of them detect something, report the file as infected. Building a business on top of such an idea is not very nice indeed, and calling such an "engine" ETHOS only adds to its blatantness.

Just my opinion of course.

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Re: Immunet 2.0 on April 15 <<First Screenshot ever on any outside forum>>
« Reply #23 on: April 12, 2010, 11:58:38 PM »
Hi Vlk,

If this is really so, it must be rather frustating for the av vendors whosee protection code is being abused in such a way and fashion.
Is McAfee Security Plan Plus a similar scheme?

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Re: Immunet 2.0 on April 15 <<First Screenshot ever on any outside forum>>
« Reply #24 on: April 13, 2010, 12:38:55 AM »
I personally have used Immunet since I started testing the beta versions of avast! 5.
I presently still have it running even though avast!5 is no longer in beta only because it's free and doesn't seem to interfere with avast!
or slow down the system..
The day Immunet starts charging for what's now available for free, is the day it's history on my systems.
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Re: Immunet 2.0 on April 15 <<First Screenshot ever on any outside forum>>
« Reply #25 on: April 13, 2010, 02:21:37 AM »
Avast+Immunet = Great

I prefer avast! + ThreatFire

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Re: Immunet 2.0 on April 15 <<First Screenshot ever on any outside forum>>
« Reply #26 on: April 13, 2010, 04:50:07 AM »
run each of the files through a dozen of AV scanners (in the cloud) and if at least some of them detect something, report the file as infected.
How do they do so?
Is any file uploaded to be scanned?
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Re: Immunet 2.0 on April 15 <<First Screenshot ever on any outside forum>>
« Reply #27 on: April 13, 2010, 05:02:34 AM »
Ah seem that immunet is becoming a history and threatfire is back on people's system^^

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Re: Immunet 2.0 on April 15 <<First Screenshot ever on any outside forum>>
« Reply #28 on: April 13, 2010, 06:20:38 AM »
run each of the files through a dozen of AV scanners (in the cloud) and if at least some of them detect something, report the file as infected.
How do they do so?
Is any file uploaded to be scanned?

No, only the hash- only unrecognised files are uploaded.

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Re: Immunet 2.0 on April 15 <<First Screenshot ever on any outside forum>>
« Reply #29 on: April 13, 2010, 06:32:16 AM »
My specific objection against these "new" in-the-cloud AV's is that they shamelessly parasite on the existing AV vendors who spent decades of R&D on getting where they are.

I mean, what most of these home-grown clouds do is basically run each of the files through a dozen of AV scanners (in the cloud) and if at least some of them detect something, report the file as infected. Building a business on top of such an idea is not very nice indeed, and calling such an "engine" ETHOS only adds to its blatantness.

Just my opinion of course.

Thanks
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Do commercial cloud virus solutions (Immunet, Panda) actually do that? Is it legal?

I know the first cloud AV used avast!- but that was an academic exercise and not commercial. Did they get permission?

http://www.usenix.org/events/sec08/tech/full_papers/oberheide/oberheide_html/

Immunet seems to use a different method- which is to observe any AV it is installed next to an report files that AV detects as malicious to Immunet. (See blog post.) Sort of like a parasite, feeding and growing stronger on a host, if you want to look at it that way.

http://dontsurfinthenude.blogspot.com/2010/03/anti-virus-in-cloud.html
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