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Re:Why is IE required?
« Reply #30 on: September 27, 2004, 05:50:12 PM »
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Is Microsoft forcing you to use IE or are you using a different browser?
Did you have to pay extra for IE or was it free? ;D

Bob, yes there are occasions when MS does force you to use IE, not to mention you are using it in the background of Windows XP (since it is an integral part if XP), therefor you are still vulnerable to IE's security issues even though you don't use it as a browser. So you are effectively forced to keep that up to date.

Yes you could totally ignore IE updates (and you don't have to use it as a browser), but you still have keep it upto date or leave your system vulnerable. That would be plain crazy, that is not a choice!

The fact that it's free makes no difference since it is an integral part of windows xp and you paid for that.
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Re:Why is IE required?
« Reply #31 on: September 27, 2004, 06:11:42 PM »
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A picture is worth 1000 words. ;D
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Re:Why is IE required?
« Reply #32 on: September 27, 2004, 06:39:29 PM »
Well I'm happy that v5.windowsupdate works for GreenBrowser, when it changed from v4 to v5 I couldn't access it with Avant (an IE core based browser). This could have been early days with v5 as since your post I have checked it again and it now works.

This however, doesn't negate any of the other points on being forced to use IE, since it's an integral part of the windows xp system, you can't not use and you have to keep it up to date.
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Re:Why is IE required?
« Reply #33 on: September 27, 2004, 06:48:46 PM »
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Just one more point. Please keep in mind that there are still lots of us that like Microsoft and IE and some of us don't even want to sue them.
There are always alternatives to using Windows. Then IE or any other part of windows doesn't enter into the picture at all. :)
Just remember, this is my personal opinion. ;D
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Re:Why is IE required?
« Reply #34 on: September 27, 2004, 09:28:59 PM »
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Just one more point. Please keep in mind that there are still lots of us that like Microsoft and IE and some of us don't even want to sue them.
There are always alternatives to using Windows. Then IE or any other part of windows doesn't enter into the picture at all. :)
Just remember, this is my personal opinion. ;D

Who stated that I hate Microsoft or want to sue them, certainly not me? All I have stated is fact.

I use windows because, I like the interface, I have used windows since windows 3.1 and before that DOS, I can't recall any graphical user interfaces (perhaps GEM) of that era. I also used Unix for work so I am familiar with command based OS.

But the current linux options are not yet as easy to install as windows (for your average user), but they are getting there, it will become easier for first time PC buyers to chose a linux operating system.

It is a huge step for anyone to take (read captive audience) to move from windows to linux. They have to find an alternative to all their windows based programs and there has to be a degree of compatibility with the windows program that is being replaced otherwise all the work you have done is lost to you, unless you have a dual boot system.

Choice is always about compromise, and one of these about using windows xp is the embeded IE or turning your computer operations on their head to switch to linux hardly warrants thought. So alternatives have to be  realistic, somewhat like not bothering to update IE because you don't use it, crazy.
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Re:Why is IE required?
« Reply #35 on: September 27, 2004, 10:55:38 PM »
DavidR, why don't you use Maxthon Browser (former MyIE2)... wonderful features and all Windows updates works without any problems...

Access this site without any trouble (Microsoft Updates):

http://v5.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/v5consumer/default.aspx?ln=en-us

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Re:Why is IE required?
« Reply #36 on: September 28, 2004, 12:06:15 AM »
DavidR, why don't you use Maxthon Browser (former MyIE2)... wonderful features and all Windows updates works without any problems...

Access this site without any trouble (Microsoft Updates):

http://v5.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/v5consumer/default.aspx?ln=en-us

Cheers !

I tried Myie2, some time ago and found it unstable on my system, that is why I tried Avant and found that to be much better on my system.

After all the IE troubles, I have been test driving Firefox for the last few months and using my Avant browser as backup for sites that don't work with firefox (e.g. those that use activex, etc.). I used Avant for some time to access v4.windowsupdate with no problems, but with the beta v5 and early days of the regular v5.windowsupdate it didn't work. MS have obviously been working on v5 and Avant does work as is reflected in the attachment two posts previously.
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Re:Why is IE required?
« Reply #37 on: September 28, 2004, 12:20:41 AM »
Yeah that's OK... but still, you should try Maxthon now. They changed few things inside the code... maybe it would be stable enough on your system now.

I had same problems with Avant browser before, and I decided to use Enigma browser and sometimes GreenBrowser... but after all, I went back to Maxthon (former MyIE2)...

Mozilla/Firefox is good browser, it's just not for me... editing those pages like this one in avast! forums when we have to type our messages, is just too much of a hassle for me... but, I think at the end, we all found something that we like... I also use Mozilla sometimes (don't like Firefox, plus avast! script blocker doesn't work in Firefox and it works great in Mozilla)... it's a very good backup browser here on my system.

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Re:Why is IE required?
« Reply #38 on: September 28, 2004, 02:41:41 PM »

Mozilla/Firefox is good browser, it's just not for me... editing those pages like this one in avast! forums when we have to type our messages, is just too much of a hassle for me... but, I think at the end, we all found something that we like...

That was almost a deal breaker for me and firefox the posts editing/effects but I installed the BBCode extension and it is much more acceptable, not perfect but very workable.

As has been said before, we get used to a browser its feel, etc. I got used to avant and its ease of use, But that is my backup now to firefox. I have no problem with the avast script blocker not working with firefox as I use the home version (sans script blocker) in conjunction with analogx script defender.

Different strokes (browsers) for different folks, what ever you use do it safely.
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Re:Why is IE required?
« Reply #39 on: September 28, 2004, 04:42:39 PM »
Completely right DavidR !

Btw, bbcode is good smlal add-on. It can help a lot ... but I still don't get it how couldn't they integrate that code into one of their latest builds...  :-\

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Re:Why is IE required?
« Reply #40 on: September 28, 2004, 05:16:18 PM »
Completely right DavidR !

Btw, bbcode is good smlal add-on. It can help a lot ... but I still don't get it how couldn't they integrate that code into one of their latest builds...  :-\

Beats me too, especially when you can't use the full functions of their own mozillzine forums when using firefox unless you use bbcode of course.
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