Ok, got there. No, nothing there. I suggest I try it again for a day or so and leave you to people who need your help more - but I thank you for your help. Can you send me on my way with one last suggestion on the flashplayer issue I mentioned, i.e. how, when I download from the website you gave me, Avast may be doing something to it (sandbox or whatever) where the Adobe download manager gets hung up? Thank you!!!