okay this is REALLY bad you guys, I signed up to ask you all a question. I have the same virus the guy who made this thred has but its in c:\WINDOWS\Application Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\wjm3urj <that being the trojan. I have tried deleating it, super deleating it, deleating it with avast, the last option i have is to encrypt it (wich I believe locks it like moving it to a quarentien) I SERIOUSLY need some help on this you guys. If the encrypting/deleating don't work I'm out of options. (fyi i even used a hidden process viewer, im in win98 btw, to check hidden process. now either that virus is smart enough to hide from that or its got some NICE protection.) but another thing is i noticed there was a problem when kerio personal firewall AND avast antivirus failed to load on bootup (even AFTER I specifially checked run\msconfig\startup to prove it was checked for it) so I'm guessing it disabled both. so I have one word to say. HEEEEELLLLLPPPPPP!!! O_O