You know I would have to go over and watch him open his email, I don't have the details of his system other than its standard WindowsXP for home. I'm with Yahoo but when I go over I'll investigate. I do have a question about that subsystem message, after I updated Avast on the 15th, I noticed the following day when I open Outlook that messages were being listed without Avast scanning taking place, I immediately halted the process and closed the window. I then cliked on the blue ball and saw that my mail provider had that very same message of "waiting for subsystem to start, " this didn't occur prior to the update. I then teminated and restarted it and it indicated that it was running. Why would that occur I've changed none of the settings before updating? Since about five messages got through without scanning I deleted them (better safe than sorry especially with Yahoo) now I find myself checking to see if the mail provider is working before opening Outlook.