Well Essexboy, I really appreciate all you're trying to do for me, but I'm sorry to say I see no real change from what I had before. The first thing I checked is to see if the security center icon that gives me notifications for everything was on, and it is still grayed out, can't turn it on. When I go into my control panel, I see only the windows update window and not the security center window that was previously the norm. Since I have comodo running as my firewall, I didn't even try to turn on the firewall. But I did try to turn on windows defender and that still won't start, I get an error message. Then I turned off my avast. I'd always get a security message notification that my firewall was disabled via a notification from that same icon. No notification, no nothing. I was crossing my fingers but that didn't even help.