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Re: iran ip addresses restricted by avast ?
« Reply #60 on: May 29, 2012, 11:15:55 PM »
"Iran will be banned from the purchase of antivirus systems, a kind of technological embargo.........The international sanctions will stop the Government of Teheran to from obtaining commercial anti-virus software, according to a senior Iranian intelligence official."

http://www.infosecisland.com/blogview/20404-Antivirus-Ban-for-Iran-A-Controversial-Penalty.html

like bob3160 stated regarding EU law in addition to the new ban by the Iranian government.  Regardless of the circumstances, it is impossible for Avast to do business in Iran.   

If i was avast I would offer partial refunds based on how much is left on the subscription for Iranian users to smooth some feathers.  However, those sanctions might make those refund transactions impossible so it a lose lose situation. 

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Re: iran ip addresses restricted by avast ?
« Reply #61 on: May 29, 2012, 11:39:38 PM »
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Avast! has chosen to respect the laws of Iran in this case.

It isn't Iranian law but the law of the EU that Avast is and has to follow.

You also need to look closer to home Bob as this isn't only EU related.
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Re: iran ip addresses restricted by avast ?
« Reply #62 on: May 29, 2012, 11:45:08 PM »
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Avast! has chosen to respect the laws of Iran in this case.

It isn't Iranian law but the law of the EU that Avast is and has to follow.

You also need to look closer to home Bob as this isn't only EU related.
I'm well aware of that. Any company from this country (US) also has the same trade restrictions.
Actually, any Company that wants to do business with any Country that is a part of this treaty needs to abide by these rules or,
no longer be able to do business within any of the Countries that are part of this embargo.
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Re: iran ip addresses restricted by avast ?
« Reply #63 on: May 29, 2012, 11:52:53 PM »
The company doesn't actually have to be from the US, it is a little more complex than that.
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Re: iran ip addresses restricted by avast ?
« Reply #64 on: May 29, 2012, 11:55:20 PM »
IMHO, this can certainly backfire. Since this, in essence, prevents any one in Iran and the other countries in this ban
from updating their AV, anything coming to us from someone in one of these countries could be spreading any number
of infections. This could include old infections for which our modern AV's may no longer protect us.
Maybe some day long after I'm gone, people will learn that these types of tactics usually hurt the average person.
Certainly not what the intent is of this not so well thought out maneuver.
There are other ways to reach this goal but those that make the decisions still need to learn how to be part of real live.
Not the type of make believe world that they live in.  :'(


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Re: iran ip addresses restricted by avast ?
« Reply #65 on: May 30, 2012, 12:38:44 AM »
Does it seem strange to anyone that this happens around the same time that The Flame is starting to spread?

I'm not saying that Avast had anything to do with this, But that who ever created flame knew when these restrictions were going to take effect.
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Re: iran ip addresses restricted by avast ?
« Reply #66 on: May 30, 2012, 10:31:57 PM »
@ DavidR, bob3160, Marc57,

What is the embargo? 

As for the Flame worm, (or virus) malware creators are targeting only countries such as Iran, etc.  It is said it is likely to be a nation/state(s) behind it, with the authors supported and funded by them, and is said to be the most complex/advanced malware specimen ever discovered.  It is possible this malware is connected somehow with the embargo, so it would, of course, then be directed at the targeted nation/states, as it now appears to be.

As bob3160 says, this can backfire, but this also can be a part of a cyberwar campaign to ultimately cause an uprising of the citizens of a country.  This may be being done despite the personal loss, and sacrifices, these citizens will have to make one way or another, if they choose to do this; the loss can/will be tragic, and that, furthermore, dire unforeseen consequences can/will occur due to this strategic decision.

Avast is being used, then, to apply this sort of international pressure, unfortunately.  It is tragic, in a way, that a smaller player in the world arena cannot say no to this scenario, as they, like everyone else, has to comply with the rules in place, whether they agree with them or not.

The common user of Avast! is the biggest loser here.  I do not know if this applies, but if Avast! chose to ignore the embargo, would they effectively be put out of business? 

If that were to happen, then the loss would be enormous.  :(

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Re: iran ip addresses restricted by avast ?
« Reply #67 on: May 30, 2012, 11:01:13 PM »
I don't know the full information on the embargo, other than there are a number of countries that are being prevented from access to all sorts of things.

This is presumably access to technology, I don't know the exact law, which companies have to follow or they could be heavily penalised. As has been said this is the last thing avast want to get involved in, but they have to comply with the policies and regulations as chocholo outlined in his post/s.

Suffice to say you only have to read your US Press/News to see what happens to people/companies breaking embargoes (whatever they might be), very hefty punishments.
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Re: iran ip addresses restricted by avast ?
« Reply #68 on: May 30, 2012, 11:03:28 PM »
I think that all of this is probably covered within the following:
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:itg5PA9wpGwJ:www.treasury.gov/resource-center/sanctions/Documents/facei.pdf+&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEEShEvpGi2I26qQMRwBsYtg3U9b8jaHy5HgU10fVGz7PByO-7TzwHNBgPJWu8PBwwUNgKlg8bKN8Q78zej3-boO11-_M5FCJY3d9czD8Wjmq3XlJE9U3e3rmCwFnstT67J7COsuvG&sig=AHIEtbR2ZPlmOGIap0yQWjv6mjaGWNRkkQ


I don't have the time to read all of this. I have to get ready for a trip to Honolulu very early tomorrow morning.


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Re: iran ip addresses restricted by avast ?
« Reply #69 on: May 30, 2012, 11:11:57 PM »
Hi mchain,

All speculation, all crystal ball staring, fearmongering. No one knows what the immediate future has out for us all. And for these regulations. There certainly is a reason for them to be implemented, and these reasons as yet not known to us. Well what DavidR and bob3160 say about this is true and based on facts.
So better not to comment and try to keep the vast avast community together as best as we can in the hope of better days to come,

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Re: iran ip addresses restricted by avast ?
« Reply #70 on: May 30, 2012, 11:24:52 PM »
I think that all of this is probably covered within the following:
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:itg5PA9wpGwJ:www.treasury.gov/resource-center/sanctions/Documents/facei.pdf+&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEEShEvpGi2I26qQMRwBsYtg3U9b8jaHy5HgU10fVGz7PByO-7TzwHNBgPJWu8PBwwUNgKlg8bKN8Q78zej3-boO11-_M5FCJY3d9czD8Wjmq3XlJE9U3e3rmCwFnstT67J7COsuvG&sig=AHIEtbR2ZPlmOGIap0yQWjv6mjaGWNRkkQ


I don't have the time to read all of this. I have to get ready for a trip to Honolulu very early tomorrow morning.


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Hi mchain,

All speculation, all crystal ball staring, fearmongering. No one knows what the immediate future has out for us all. And for these regulations. There certainly is a reason for them to be implemented, and these reasons as yet not known to us. Well what DavidR and bob3160 say about this is true and based on facts.
So better not to comment and try to keep the vast avast community together as best as we can in the hope of better days to come,

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What people need to realize is that this ban isn't the fault of the companies that need to comply with the embargo.
They don't have any choice in complying unless they want to commit financial suicide.  :'(



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Re: iran ip addresses restricted by avast ?
« Reply #71 on: May 30, 2012, 11:34:27 PM »
Hi bob3160,

Well that is precisely what I said. We have to abide by government rules set out before us. So there is no room for speculation on our part, as mchain is doing,

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Re: iran ip addresses restricted by avast ?
« Reply #72 on: May 31, 2012, 12:06:41 AM »
Ok, it is speculation on my part.  Only interest here was how the issue above might fit in with Avast! itself, and also avast users. 
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What people need to realize is that this ban isn't the fault of the companies that need to comply with the embargo.
They don't have any choice in complying unless they want to commit financial suicide.  :'(
I am uncomfortable with the truth, tho it is what it is.  I do thank you for your candor.  No harm intended here.

To actually have avast users from Iran come here and say they have the problems they do, is difficult to understand in some ways, and impossible for us to help and correct.  :(
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Re: iran ip addresses restricted by avast ?
« Reply #73 on: May 31, 2012, 12:17:25 AM »
Ok, it is speculation on my part.  Only interest here was how the issue above might fit in with Avast! itself, and also avast users. 
Quote from bob3160,
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What people need to realize is that this ban isn't the fault of the companies that need to comply with the embargo.
They don't have any choice in complying unless they want to commit financial suicide.  :'(
I am uncomfortable with the truth, tho it is what it is.  I do thank you for your candor.  No harm intended here.

To actually have avast users from Iran come here and say they have the problems they do, is difficult to understand in some ways, and impossible for us to help and correct.  :(

@mchain,
I highly doubt that any of us are happy about the situation including Avast.
We are here because we enjoy helping others and in this case there isn't anything any of us can do unless we contact our politicians and try to
convince them that there has to be another way to reach their goals besides hurting so many innocent people.
From my end, that's all I can do. All of us need to decide what we are comfortable in doing and pursuing.


Sorry to those in the countries involved but I've done all I can do.
Remember, there are always three sides to every story.
My side, Your side and then somewhere in the middle the truth is usually found.
Hopefully some politicians are listening.  ;)
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Re: iran ip addresses restricted by avast ?
« Reply #74 on: May 31, 2012, 09:22:56 AM »
As I said before avast is not alone:
It's years that Symantec does not allow download it's setup and offline-updater from Iran (and other Embargoed counties) and even their customer support does not answer queries from Iran (but their online/live update is not blocked)
McAfee does not allow download and update their product.
AVG has blocked Iran.
PC Tools (even before Symantec) had Iran blocked, from download or update.
LAVASOFT has some limitation against Iran.
Hundred of WebSites that use Google Engine does not work in Iran (e.g. VirusTotal, DownForEveryoneOrJustMe.com etc), so many Google Service is blocked too, every kind of payments (Visa, PayPal etc) is blocked and much more...
So many non-security softwares does not work in Iran too, e.g. Skype does not work.

and now avast joined the club too, not a surprise...
But who care? Because of Iran censorship almost every Iranian Internet user has kind of proxy for himself and it bypass all of above story, even bypass avast limitation for Iranian IP addresses.
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