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Title: Ridiculous new Firewall
Post by: Mr. Consumer on December 10, 2021, 08:40:38 PM
The new Firewall is an absolute joke. I can't understand how come someone at Avast, an AV company who has provided users with so many features and options over the years along with good protection, can come up with something like this.
This is the first Firewall as far as I can remember that doesn't give users the ability to manually create their own rules for applications.
You can say, once it's executed you'll be able to..................bla bla bla. That's just a bad excuse, so please don't play that card.
This shouldn't have happened in the first place. Pretty sure many Avast devs who were working on the new Firewall didn't like the idea either. Whoever came up with this terrible idea should feel bad about it. Paid users don't pay to have fewer features than the basic yet solid Windows Firewall. You can't justify the decision in any way. Even free users don't deserve this because this is something even Windows Firewall has.
So, I request you to give users the feature that the old Firewall has. Make this change soon. Release a beta maybe within a week or couple and then release to the stable. Everyone will be happy once again.
Title: Re: Ridiculous new Firewall
Post by: Asyn on December 11, 2021, 01:55:20 PM
1. This is the first Firewall as far as I can remember that doesn't give users the ability to manually create their own rules for applications.
2. Paid users don't pay to have fewer features than the basic yet solid Windows Firewall.
1. https://support.avast.com/en-ww/article/Antivirus-Firewall-Application-Rules
2. Additional features (screenshot) are available in the paid products.
Title: Re: Ridiculous new Firewall
Post by: bob3160 on December 11, 2021, 05:10:05 PM
@Mr. Avast
In essence, you still have the same controls you just have to address them in a different way.
Title: Re: Ridiculous new Firewall
Post by: n33h11 on December 11, 2021, 09:28:02 PM
ridicule is not enough...I still try to understand the mind of the guy who designed this...it must surely be a 12 year old child.
Title: Re: Ridiculous new Firewall
Post by: bob3160 on December 11, 2021, 09:33:11 PM
ridicule is not enough...I still try to understand the mind of the guy who designed this...it must surely be a 12 year old child.
You're acting like one. Things have changed, simply learn to adapt. Life changes daily.
Title: Re: Ridiculous new Firewall
Post by: InvisibleMan on December 12, 2021, 12:49:34 AM
Mr. Avast
Yes, you are correct.

I also voiced my opinion on the situation I see here:

https://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=309315.msg1667378#msg1667378
Title: Re: Ridiculous new Firewall
Post by: InvisibleMan on December 12, 2021, 12:53:49 AM
Things have changed, simply learn to adapt.
That doesn't mean that the change wasn't bad, or that people have to like it, though.

Example:
We got our current health situation in the world.
Everything changed in people's lives to worse over the course of the last year or two...

People do have to adapt. Because there's no other alternative.

But was that change in the world and people's lives any good?
Of course not.

In the case of Avast Firewall, as I already explained in more detail in my other post (https://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=309315.msg1667378#msg1667378),
there are good alternatives. Even the default Windows Firewall is a more solid alternative.

And since there are good alternatives, then why anyone would want to adapt to something worse?

And if Avast Firewall will become impossible to disable as a component in the future, it would just mean a need to find an alternative antivirus.
Title: Re: Ridiculous new Firewall
Post by: bob3160 on December 12, 2021, 03:09:34 PM
@the invisible one,
You're entitled to your opinion. They aren't everyone's.
The assumption your making about not being able to opt out of the firewall is just that,
an assumption. If you don't like the firewall, you have choices.
I find it works verywell. Not all of us are looking for complications.
Sometimes it's nice when something just works and does what it's supposed to do.
Title: Re: Ridiculous new Firewall
Post by: InvisibleMan on December 13, 2021, 02:55:51 AM
@the invisible one,
You're entitled to your opinion. They aren't everyone's.
The assumption your making about not being able to opt out of the firewall is just that,
an assumption. If you don't like the firewall, you have choices.
I find it works verywell. Not all of us are looking for complications.
Sometimes it's nice when something just works and does what it's supposed to do.
Not complications, but control.

I undestand that for many people simplicity is more important than a full control.

But there could be a simple / advanced mode split so that every users can get the level of control they need.

Technically, it's exactly what Windows Firewall is: by default it just does its job, but every user can go into the detailed settings and have the huge flexibility in adding or editing the rules.

By the way, I've seen reports that the new simplified firewall didn't stop some newly downloaded porgrams from accessing internet.

And since there's no way to manually add programs just in case, it would mean that there's no guarantee that it would stop every theoretically malicious program in time.

I'm not sure about it deserving that much trust to auto-detect applications, since it seems unreliable.
There needs to be a manual way to add rules, too. Also, editing or deleting existing rules are the basic abilities of almost any decent firewall, so why over-simplify that? I don't understand it. But oh well.
Title: Re: Ridiculous new Firewall
Post by: bob3160 on December 13, 2021, 01:08:33 PM
Your opinion, your computer, ultimately your decision.
Title: Re: Ridiculous new Firewall
Post by: Asyn on December 13, 2021, 01:16:34 PM
Not complications, but control. I undestand that for many people simplicity is more important than a full control.
Advanced/Expert users can set the firewall to "ASK" for full control.
Title: Re: Ridiculous new Firewall
Post by: Mr. Consumer on December 13, 2021, 10:15:52 PM
I agree with what users "n33h11" and "InvisibleMan" said above. I already fully explained what I feel about the Firewall. So no, please don't justify the ridiculous decision Avast made just because you're a long time user of it.
Avast went backwards with the new Firewall and also how they're spamming paid users with renew and other popups, looks like the whole of Avast is going backwards. I reinstalled Windows 11 the other day and gonna stick to Microsoft Defender for the time being, which provides good protection anyway but has some other issues. I'm also an expert and sensible user, so malware protection isn't something that worries me at all. I'll monitor the forum for changes in Avast, it's firewall and its treatment of paid users. Maybe I'll get bored and install Avast again soon.
Title: Re: Ridiculous new Firewall
Post by: DavidR on December 13, 2021, 10:27:45 PM
I agree with what users "n33h11" and "InvisibleMan" said above. I already fully explained what I feel about the Firewall. So no, please don't justify the ridiculous decision Avast made just because you're a long time user of it.
Avast went backwards with the new Firewall and also how they're spamming paid users with renew and other popups, looks like the whole of Avast is going backwards. I reinstalled Windows 11 the other day and gonna stick to Microsoft Defender for the time being,
<snip>
Maybe I'll get bored and install Avast again soon.

:) Maybe you need to change your forum User Name :)
Title: Re: Ridiculous new Firewall
Post by: bob3160 on December 13, 2021, 11:12:27 PM
I agree with what users "n33h11" and "InvisibleMan" said above. I already fully explained what I feel about the Firewall. So no, please don't justify the ridiculous decision Avast made just because you're a long time user of it.
Avast went backwards with the new Firewall and also how they're spamming paid users with renew and other popups, looks like the whole of Avast is going backwards. I reinstalled Windows 11 the other day and gonna stick to Microsoft Defender for the time being,
<snip>
Maybe I'll get bored and install Avast again soon.

 :) Maybe you need to change your forum User Name :)
Totally agree. :)
Title: Re: Ridiculous new Firewall
Post by: digmor crusher on December 14, 2021, 01:39:38 AM
Wait...what...I thought Bob was Mr. Avast. ;D
Title: Re: Ridiculous new Firewall
Post by: InvisibleMan on December 14, 2021, 01:59:41 AM
@bob3160
@DavidR
@Asyn

I think the reason for users beginning to complain about various questionable changes, is because of the situation Avast in general is. :)

It always was clear (and I myself had opportunity to compare them over the years):

Avast Free Antivirus was always better than Norton's antiviruses, for various reasons.

And users are getting worried over all such changes to the worst, because:

1. Avast is being bought by Norton.

2. The history of Norton's products shows how they got worse and worse over time, plus they became like a bloatware.

My friends actually got rid of Norton because of all those issues and began using Avast in recent years.

But, now we see the worrisome signs of Norton's interference.  An upcoming super-oversimplified Avast One is a proof of that too.

It just looks like Norton didn't like having a competition, that was actually a great antivirus: Avast.
So they bought to bring it down.

It's not the first product in history that Norton bought and ruined afterwards.

Naturally, users see changes in Avast they don't like and feel like it's the beginning of the end.
Title: Re: Ridiculous new Firewall
Post by: InvisibleMan on December 14, 2021, 02:05:33 AM
:) Maybe you need to change your forum User Name :)
Totally agree. :)
I actually have to agree with that, too.

Because "Mr. Avast" gives the impression of it being someone from the Avast Team.  ;D
Title: Re: Ridiculous new Firewall
Post by: DavidR on December 14, 2021, 02:21:08 AM
:) Maybe you need to change your forum User Name :)
Totally agree. :)
I actually have to agree with that, too.

Because "Mr. Avast" gives the impression of it being someone from the Avast Team.  ;D

You only have to look to the left of posts to see the user status, only avast employees will have Avast Team next to their posts.

However, some of the Avast Überevangelists will have made Avast Team contacts over the years, they may also have communication channels, to get information and report issues occurring in the forums.
Title: Re: Ridiculous new Firewall
Post by: n33h11 on December 14, 2021, 06:38:18 AM
One thing is clear...Norton will end Avast in no time.

It started by destroying Premium. Whoever paid got it because the guy who was always free and never gave a penny to the company has almost the same functions as a subscriber. So the question remains: why become a payer?

Then they take something that worked and literally screw it up, take a working service and be done with it in a matter of seconds.

If this isn't Norton's rotten hand I don't know what it is anymore... rather Avast was sold to a Chinese company than an American one and had that end.
Title: Re: Ridiculous new Firewall
Post by: InvisibleMan on December 14, 2021, 07:07:40 AM
the guy who was always free and never gave a penny to the company has almost the same functions as a subscriber. So the question remains: why become a payer?
I could see that work, as way to donate/contribute,
if Avast simply remained a great antivirus it has always been for many years.

Plus, I wouldn't mind at all if all that free users get would be the very basic mimimum protection core:

Web Shield
File Shield

As a free avast user, I never had any need for anything else, and that's very simple actually. (And never got infected after switching to Avast many years ago)

Everyhing else is extraneous, especially for free users. (e.g. since a malicious script in a web mail would be stopped by Web Shield, and a malicious file downloaded from a mail, would be stopped when run by File Shield, why need Mail Shield anyway? Or Behavior Shield that often created more problems with false detections for me than protected me, when I tried it for a while. Etc.)

And if all other things (while remaining optional) would be only available for Premium,
it would both make a lot more sense, and
also would make free users happier, because they wouldn't need to worry whenever some big changes happen to a lot of other components, since they don't use them.
Title: Re: Ridiculous new Firewall
Post by: Flourgrader on December 14, 2021, 11:21:04 AM
Hi Mr.Avast,
I think there is a very bad work around for what you are complaining about in regards to the firewall.
If you have your notifications set for system tray turned on in Avast.
Then launch a program that you know will access the internet.
A window will open up in the system tray.
If you click on Details. Then the Application Rules window like the one from the previous Avast will open up.
You can keep this minimised on windows toolbar for the duration of your PC turned on.
And use it just like you did with the old version.
I have not managed to find a menu option or key press to bring this up manually from within Avast!
Maybe someone else has?
I wrote a similar thread to yours:
If your interested, you can read it here:
https://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=309072.0;topicseen
Title: Re: Ridiculous new Firewall
Post by: InvisibleMan on December 14, 2021, 11:43:48 PM
@bob3160

I think you meant to quote this reply of mine there instead:
https://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=309426.msg1668073#msg1668073

Because you quoted something unrelated to assumptions about Norton at all.

What you quoted was more of a suggestion for Avast Free and about my own exerience with it.
Title: Re: Ridiculous new Firewall
Post by: bob3160 on December 14, 2021, 11:48:00 PM
@bob3160

I think you meant to quote this reply of mine there instead:
https://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=309426.msg1668073#msg1668073 (https://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=309426.msg1668073#msg1668073)

Because you quoted something unrelated to assumptions about Norton at all.

What you quoted was more of a suggestion for Avast Free and about my own exerience with it.
My apologies, my reply should not have been to you
Title: Re: Ridiculous new Firewall
Post by: bob3160 on December 14, 2021, 11:50:36 PM
One thing is clear...Norton will end Avast in no time.

It started by destroying Premium. Whoever paid got it because the guy who was always free and never gave a penny to the company has almost the same functions as a subscriber. So the question remains: why become a payer?

Then they take something that worked and literally screw it up, take a working service and be done with it in a matter of seconds.

If this isn't Norton's rotten hand I don't know what it is anymore... rather Avast was sold to a Chinese company than an American one and had that end.
You're spouting your own assumptions. They certainly aren't facts.
Title: Re: Ridiculous new Firewall
Post by: n33h11 on December 15, 2021, 04:01:13 AM
bob3160

"You're spouting your own assumptions. They certainly aren't facts."

The result of this will come in time. Just be a user to realize that what I'm talking about is going to be fact.

Of course they won't show it. They will want to show at all costs that it is a solid solution.

Lets out a first YouTube video showing the new firewall...let a review of this new firewall that you will see...a video comparing security suites for example...

Of course here I'm just a former user...but the internet doesn't forgive. The first video is just out and the facts are exposed...

Just observe...
Title: Re: Ridiculous new Firewall
Post by: n33h11 on December 15, 2021, 04:10:17 AM
the guy who was always free and never gave a penny to the company has almost the same functions as a subscriber. So the question remains: why become a payer?

Plus, I wouldn't mind at all if all that free users get would be the very basic mimimum protection core:

Web Shield
File Shield


I don't mind non-subscriber users being able to have extra functions in their suites. But of course those who paid for something extra have it. It was no problem for me that the firewall became free, but that it became what it became, ridiculous and meaningless.

But even though today there is a version matching, I still see that subscribing users need to have that attention, which didn't happen. Avast took everyone up there and brought them down, not the other way around, they took everyone from down there and took them up.

So the feeling we subscribers have is one of loss. We were not valued. At least I saw myself at this point. I still had 168 days to use the license. But I thought it was better to look for another solution because of the aforementioned firewall and this feeling of loss.
Title: Re: Ridiculous new Firewall
Post by: Mr. Consumer on December 15, 2021, 11:17:36 AM
Ok guys, I have changed my name to not confuse members into thinking that I work for Avast  ;D
I kept my first name but changed the latter  ;)
But come on, guys! Even if you're a huge fan of Avast, you should at least admit that the new firewall has less feature and much more basic than the previous one. Maybe it fits the model of Avast One which is more like directed to non-tech-savvy average consumers, but we geeky users don't deserve this. But even that is hard to understand because the average user won't touch the firewall anyway, so it's not necessary to dumb it down and remove features. As I and others above said, it doesn't even have one of the basic fundamental feature that literally every software firewall in the world has. So it's nonsense.
Anyway, I'm giving Avast another try since it fits my need the most compared to other products.
Avast is also known to listen to its customers more or less. So, I'm still hoping that they'll revert the change in Firewall.
We required support from guys like @bob3160 @DavidR @Asyn. If you had agreed that the new Firewall is indeed not better but worse than the previous one, then Avast would probably think harder about it.
Title: Re: Ridiculous new Firewall
Post by: Flourgrader on December 15, 2021, 02:08:21 PM
I agree with that too. :)
Title: Re: Ridiculous new Firewall
Post by: bob3160 on December 15, 2021, 02:13:08 PM
I agree with that too. :)
Agree with what?
Title: Re: Ridiculous new Firewall
Post by: miguelgrado on December 15, 2021, 02:21:31 PM
I think that those who think about the new Firewall are confusing the terms configure and protection.

The new firewall apart from the new interface, has not only the same protection, but more than the previous one with new additional protections.

What if it is that some sections are predetermined and can not be modified, but if add rules, although in 99% of users do not need to modify anything in general of any firewall of any known antivirus.

Maybe that should be modified if necessary, but we must give a margin to improve what is new.

For the rest the criticisms are without clear foundation, because this firewall complies with the same as the previous one, if not more (it is assumed)

Title: Re: Ridiculous new Firewall
Post by: Mr. Consumer on December 16, 2021, 03:46:06 PM
I think that those who think about the new Firewall are confusing the terms configure and protection.

The new firewall apart from the new interface, has not only the same protection, but more than the previous one with new additional protections.

What if it is that some sections are predetermined and can not be modified, but if add rules, although in 99% of users do not need to modify anything in general of any firewall of any known antivirus.

Maybe that should be modified if necessary, but we must give a margin to improve what is new.

For the rest the criticisms are without clear foundation, because this firewall complies with the same as the previous one, if not more (it is assumed)
No, you missed my main point.
Show me how I can do this in the new Avast Firewall? You can't.

Windows Firewall:
https://www.minitool.com/news/block-program-with-windows-firewall-009.html

ESET Firewall:
https://support.eset.com/en/kb2843-create-a-firewall-rule-to-allowdisallow-use-of-a-certain-application-in-my-windows-eset-home-product

Bitdefender Firewall:
https://www.bitdefender.com/consumer/support/answer/13425/
Title: Re: Ridiculous new Firewall
Post by: bob3160 on December 16, 2021, 03:52:46 PM
I think that those who think about the new Firewall are confusing the terms configure and protection.

The new firewall apart from the new interface, has not only the same protection, but more than the previous one with new additional protections.

What if it is that some sections are predetermined and can not be modified, but if add rules, although in 99% of users do not need to modify anything in general of any firewall of any known antivirus.

Maybe that should be modified if necessary, but we must give a margin to improve what is new.

For the rest the criticisms are without clear foundation, because this firewall complies with the same as the previous one, if not more (it is assumed)
No, you missed my main point.
Show me how I can do this in the new Avast Firewall? You can't.

Windows Firewall:
https://www.minitool.com/news/block-program-with-windows-firewall-009.html (https://www.minitool.com/news/block-program-with-windows-firewall-009.html)

ESET Firewall:
https://support.eset.com/en/kb2843-create-a-firewall-rule-to-allowdisallow-use-of-a-certain-application-in-my-windows-eset-home-product (https://support.eset.com/en/kb2843-create-a-firewall-rule-to-allowdisallow-use-of-a-certain-application-in-my-windows-eset-home-product)

Bitdefender Firewall:
https://www.bitdefender.com/consumer/support/answer/13425/ (https://www.bitdefender.com/consumer/support/answer/13425/)
Some simple advice.
The firewall offers excellent protection. For the techie who is looking to do his own tweaks,
you may be better of using a different product.
For the majority of users, this is an excellent product that keeps you computer safe.
For most of us, this is exactly what we are looking for. Full protection without all the bother
of having to learn the ins and out of how to manage all the complexities of a software firewall.
Title: Re: Ridiculous new Firewall
Post by: Asyn on December 16, 2021, 04:01:24 PM
Show me how I can do this in the new Avast Firewall? You can't.
Sorry to ask, but did you read the article provided in Reply #1..!?
Title: Re: Ridiculous new Firewall
Post by: Mr. Consumer on December 16, 2021, 05:24:53 PM
Show me how I can do this in the new Avast Firewall? You can't.
Sorry to ask, but did you read the article provided in Reply #1..!?
I did, and I figured that out by myself even before I started this thread.
The list contains applications that has been executed on my PC so far. I can't add manually add something that hasn't been executed yet. The previous Firewall had that option, the new one doesn't.
That's the point I made more than once here. The current Firewall doesn't have this basic feature that every other software Firewall in the world has.
Title: Re: Ridiculous new Firewall
Post by: DavidR on December 16, 2021, 05:36:40 PM
Show me how I can do this in the new Avast Firewall? You can't.
Sorry to ask, but did you read the article provided in Reply #1..!?


I'm of the opinion if you don't like something, then don't use it and be done with it.

I haven't installed the firewall option in Avast Free 21.10.xxxx as for now I continue to use the Windows 10 firewall and I haven't touched it at all in over 4 years of using this win10 laptop.  I haven't has a single issue.

I used to Use Agnitum Pro Firewall (I had a life time license until it got sold), I initially started it up on default, training mode (for just over a week) to recognise the programs I used and how I worked/used the internet.  After that I rarely had to do anything to it. 

I honestly believe that for the vast majority they don't have to tweak their firewall to within an inch of its life, as my experience of the windows firewall on default settings attests.
Title: Re: Ridiculous new Firewall
Post by: bob3160 on December 16, 2021, 09:52:55 PM
 @Mr Consumer: Do you ever read what's addressed to you or do you just keep posting?
https://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=309426.msg1668819#msg1668819 (https://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=309426.msg1668819#msg1668819)
Title: Re: Ridiculous new Firewall
Post by: Asyn on December 17, 2021, 10:43:47 AM
Show me how I can do this in the new Avast Firewall? You can't.
Sorry to ask, but did you read the article provided in Reply #1..!?
I did, and I figured that out by myself even before I started this thread.
The list contains applications that has been executed on my PC so far. I can't add manually add something that hasn't been executed yet. The previous Firewall had that option, the new one doesn't.
That's the point I made more than once here. The current Firewall doesn't have this basic feature that every other software Firewall in the world has.
Advanced/Expert users can set the firewall to "ASK" for full control.
Title: Re: Ridiculous new Firewall
Post by: Flourgrader on December 17, 2021, 11:12:25 AM

@Mr. Consumer,
I posted in this forum pretty much the same subject as is in your thread,
on December 04, 2021
https://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=309072.0;topicseen

Are these the options which you are complaining about not been
able to access any more in
Avast Premium Security ?
Program Version: 21.11.2500 (build 21.11.6809.528)
UI version:          1.0.683
Please,
see screenshot attached.
Title: Re: Ridiculous new Firewall
Post by: Mr. Consumer on December 17, 2021, 11:58:16 AM
Show me how I can do this in the new Avast Firewall? You can't.
Sorry to ask, but did you read the article provided in Reply #1..!?


I'm of the opinion if you don't like something, then don't use it and be done with it.

I haven't installed the firewall option in Avast Free 21.10.xxxx as for now I continue to use the Windows 10 firewall and I haven't touched it at all in over 4 years of using this win10 laptop.  I haven't has a single issue.

I used to Use Agnitum Pro Firewall (I had a life time license until it got sold), I initially started it up on default, training mode (for just over a week) to recognise the programs I used and how I worked/used the internet.  After that I rarely had to do anything to it. 

I honestly believe that for the vast majority they don't have to tweak their firewall to within an inch of its life, as my experience of the windows firewall on default settings attests.
You're right. I like Windows Firewall but the main issue I have with it is that any program/installer with admin rights can create a firewall rule without my knowledge. That's a huge downside of it. This is also one of the weak point of Microsoft Defender. With admin rights, it's very easy to put items into exclusions. Otherwise, Windows Firewall is great. It even has one feature that I really like which is, it notifies me when something tries to use inbound connection in Private firewall mode. Other AV firewall don't have this as far as I can remember.
But the downside that I just said is the main reason for not liking Windows Firewall.
@Mr Consumer: Do you ever read what's addressed to you or do you just keep posting?
https://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=309426.msg1668819#msg1668819 (https://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=309426.msg1668819#msg1668819)
I did but looks like you haven't read mine. I already said that it doesn't matter how an average user use it. Like you, they don't touch the firewall anyway, so there's absolutely no reason to dumb it down like they did. The feature I'm talking about was very useful. Avast didn't care that expert users wouldn't like it.
Show me how I can do this in the new Avast Firewall? You can't.
Sorry to ask, but did you read the article provided in Reply #1..!?
I did, and I figured that out by myself even before I started this thread.
The list contains applications that has been executed on my PC so far. I can't add manually add something that hasn't been executed yet. The previous Firewall had that option, the new one doesn't.
That's the point I made more than once here. The current Firewall doesn't have this basic feature that every other software Firewall in the world has.
Advanced/Expert users can set the firewall to "ASK" for full control.
I used Firewall in ask mode before when I used ESET. They have the best Interactive firewall of all products and makes Avast look average. But anyway, I don't prefer using it in ask mode anymore. So it's not an option. I complained here to let Avast know that some users are not happy with their new approach, and as a consumer of Avast, I have all right to do this. I'm sure you understand it. Thanks for trying to help.

@Mr. Consumer,
I posted in this forum pretty much the same subject as is in your thread,
on December 04, 2021
https://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=309072.0;topicseen

Are these the options which you are complaining about not been
able to access any more in
Avast Premium Security ?
Program Version: 21.11.2500 (build 21.11.6809.528)
UI version:          1.0.683
Please,
see screenshot attached.
Yeah, you are right. It's not available anymore.
Title: Re: Ridiculous new Firewall
Post by: Asyn on December 17, 2021, 12:10:43 PM
Show me how I can do this in the new Avast Firewall? You can't.
Sorry to ask, but did you read the article provided in Reply #1..!?
I did, and I figured that out by myself even before I started this thread.
The list contains applications that has been executed on my PC so far. I can't add manually add something that hasn't been executed yet. The previous Firewall had that option, the new one doesn't.
That's the point I made more than once here. The current Firewall doesn't have this basic feature that every other software Firewall in the world has.
Advanced/Expert users can set the firewall to "ASK" for full control.
I used Firewall in ask mode before when I used ESET. They have the best Interactive firewall of all products and makes Avast look average. But anyway, I don't prefer using it in ask mode anymore. So it's not an option. I complained here to let Avast know that some users are not happy with their new approach, and as a consumer of Avast, I have all right to do this. I'm sure you understand it. Thanks for trying to help.
You're welcome.
Title: Re: Ridiculous new Firewall
Post by: bob3160 on December 17, 2021, 01:11:48 PM
@ Mr Consumer
You certainly have a right to express your thoughts.
You also need to realize that no company can ever make everyone happy.
That's just a fact of life. Since we are all different, satisfying everyone is an impossibility.
The best anyone or any company can do is to make the majority happy.

Title: Re: Ridiculous new Firewall
Post by: miguelgrado on December 17, 2021, 02:11:07 PM
I think that those who think about the new Firewall are confusing the terms configure and protection.

The new firewall apart from the new interface, has not only the same protection, but more than the previous one with new additional protections.

What if it is that some sections are predetermined and can not be modified, but if add rules, although in 99% of users do not need to modify anything in general of any firewall of any known antivirus.

Maybe that should be modified if necessary, but we must give a margin to improve what is new.

For the rest the criticisms are without clear foundation, because this firewall complies with the same as the previous one, if not more (it is assumed)
No, you missed my main point.
Show me how I can do this in the new Avast Firewall? You can't.

Windows Firewall:
https://www.minitool.com/news/block-program-with-windows-firewall-009.html

ESET Firewall:
https://support.eset.com/en/kb2843-create-a-firewall-rule-to-allowdisallow-use-of-a-certain-application-in-my-windows-eset-home-product

Bitdefender Firewall:
https://www.bitdefender.com/consumer/support/answer/13425/



In addition to being able to put the firewall in mode to block any new connection or ask, we can block active or inactive applications from Firewall -applications.

From configuration -firewall rules, we can from the application rules tab, we can modify the rules created automatically, to block incoming connection, outgoing etc. we can modify the basic rules and as for the network rules, we can create new ones to our liking,

I really believe that we can configure the firewall without problem and the information it offers is clear and more than enough. what more can you ask for??

I believe and without offending, because I have used most firewalls on the market, that this is the best and for 99% of users do not need to touch or modify anything in a Firewall, therefore their beliefs are not being objective

Best regards
Title: Re: Ridiculous new Firewall
Post by: Mr. Consumer on December 17, 2021, 04:20:07 PM
@ Mr Consumer
You certainly have a right to express your thoughts.
You also need to realize that no company can ever make everyone happy.
That's just a fact of life. Since we are all different, satisfying everyone is an impossibility.
The best anyone or any company can do is to make the majority happy.
It's true, I agree, of course. I'm just frustrated that they crippled down a perfectly fine firewall since nobody asked for it. That's it, nothing more.
I think that those who think about the new Firewall are confusing the terms configure and protection.

The new firewall apart from the new interface, has not only the same protection, but more than the previous one with new additional protections.

What if it is that some sections are predetermined and can not be modified, but if add rules, although in 99% of users do not need to modify anything in general of any firewall of any known antivirus.

Maybe that should be modified if necessary, but we must give a margin to improve what is new.

For the rest the criticisms are without clear foundation, because this firewall complies with the same as the previous one, if not more (it is assumed)
No, you missed my main point.
Show me how I can do this in the new Avast Firewall? You can't.

Windows Firewall:
https://www.minitool.com/news/block-program-with-windows-firewall-009.html

ESET Firewall:
https://support.eset.com/en/kb2843-create-a-firewall-rule-to-allowdisallow-use-of-a-certain-application-in-my-windows-eset-home-product

Bitdefender Firewall:
https://www.bitdefender.com/consumer/support/answer/13425/



In addition to being able to put the firewall in mode to block any new connection or ask, we can block active or inactive applications from Firewall -applications.

From configuration -firewall rules, we can from the application rules tab, we can modify the rules created automatically, to block incoming connection, outgoing etc. we can modify the basic rules and as for the network rules, we can create new ones to our liking,

I really believe that we can configure the firewall without problem and the information it offers is clear and more than enough. what more can you ask for??

I believe and without offending, because I have used most firewalls on the market, that this is the best and for 99% of users do not need to touch or modify anything in a Firewall, therefore their beliefs are not being objective

Best regards
I had a typhoid fever a couple of years ago and I became so weak for 12-13 days. So I wasn't able to feed myself. My family members had to feed me. Food was getting in my mouth alright, but I was fully depended on them.
That's what happened to Avast Firewall. It gets the job done, but now I lack some basic controls that I had over it.
Title: Re: Ridiculous new Firewall
Post by: DavidR on December 17, 2021, 06:09:49 PM
<snip>
I had a typhoid fever a couple of years ago and I became so weak for 12-13 days. So I wasn't able to feed myself. My family members had to feed me. Food was getting in my mouth alright, but I was fully depended on them.
That's what happened to Avast Firewall. It gets the job done, but now I lack some basic controls that I had over it.

There seems to be no pleasing you, no matter what anyone says, you appear to have made your mind up (not to eat so to speak).

So I feel this topic has run its course and you should make your choice.
Title: Re: Ridiculous new Firewall
Post by: Mr. Consumer on December 17, 2021, 07:08:32 PM
<snip>
I had a typhoid fever a couple of years ago and I became so weak for 12-13 days. So I wasn't able to feed myself. My family members had to feed me. Food was getting in my mouth alright, but I was fully depended on them.
That's what happened to Avast Firewall. It gets the job done, but now I lack some basic controls that I had over it.

There seems to be no pleasing you, no matter what anyone says, you appear to have made your mind up (not to eat so to speak).

So I feel this topic has run its course and you should make your choice.
What is there to made my mind of? Avast removed some features from the firewall. If you're blind to a fact like that, then that's your issue.
I also said in my post to not give any excuse or justify the ridiculous decision. You ignored that, so your fault.
 Looks like you are the one who made up your mind that you would defend your beloved Avast no matter what.
Title: Re: Ridiculous new Firewall
Post by: bob3160 on December 17, 2021, 07:10:56 PM
Stop beating as dead horse. You've made your point.
Title: Re: Ridiculous new Firewall
Post by: Mr. Consumer on December 17, 2021, 07:31:57 PM
Stop beating as dead horse. You've made your point.
Yes, I made a valid point. It was to DavidR who out of nowhere came and said that I already made up my mind about it. I didn't even quote him.
I made a post, Avast employees saw that some users are rightfully hating the change in the Firewall, and it's upto Avast to decide whether they'll make any change or not. That's it. No one has to beat a dead horse.
Title: Re: Ridiculous new Firewall
Post by: DavidR on December 17, 2021, 08:44:40 PM
Stop beating as dead horse. You've made your point.
Yes, I made a valid point. It was to DavidR who out of nowhere came and said that I already made up my mind about it. I didn't even quote him.
I made a post, Avast employees saw that some users are rightfully hating the change in the Firewall, and it's upto Avast to decide whether they'll make any change or not. That's it. No one has to beat a dead horse.

With everything in this topic, you should have enough information to make up your mind, use the avast firewall or don't.

But flogging this poor horse to death isn't going to change things, repeating it multiple times won't change things.

As you now say it is up to Avast to make any change they feel necessary, constantly repeating the same things won't change that.
Title: Re: Ridiculous new Firewall
Post by: bob3160 on December 17, 2021, 09:47:21 PM
"I made a post, Avast employees saw that some users are rightfully hating the change in the Firewall, and it's upto Avast to decide whether they'll make any change or not. That's it. No one has to beat a dead horse."
Avast has also seen your many posts and Avast alone is the one that will decide if the suggestions warrant any changes or not.
Continuing to post the same things over and over is like watching the same video over and over
hoping for a different ending.(it isn't going to happen)
You've made your point.
Title: Re: Ridiculous new Firewall
Post by: DFC on December 22, 2021, 03:48:38 PM
As a Designer, this new UI SUCKS a lot...

It may make things clean, but is a pain in the ass find stuff and change it... information is too spread out in many windows with no intuitive direction to use it...

I hate it so much, i will cancel my subscription...
Title: Re: Ridiculous new Firewall
Post by: bob3160 on December 22, 2021, 03:56:12 PM
As a Designer, this new UI SUCKS a lot...

It may make things clean, but is a pain in the ass find stuff and change it... information is too spread out in many windows with no intuitive direction to use it...

I hate it so much, i will cancel my subscription...
Amazing considering that the use of the firewall isn't really required to use the Antivirus product.
Your computer, your choice.
Title: Re: Ridiculous new Firewall
Post by: J.T.2 on December 24, 2021, 04:22:20 AM
Agreed... I'm absolutely HATING this new Firewall layout and it's now caused me enough of a headache I'm ready to ditch avast all together. It was FINE as it was.