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Title: Immunet 2.0 <<First Screenshot ever on any outside forum>>
Post by: Chris Thomas on April 11, 2010, 10:38:26 PM
Friends,

Immunet 2.0 is going to be released on April 25 with the RC being on middle of May

 :-X



(http://i39.tinypic.com/11s1mk4.jpg)


Edited: Don't blame me if the dates go wrong but as far as today it is on April 15
Title: Re: Immunet 2.0 on April 15 <<First Screenshot ever on any outside forum>>
Post by: disPlay on April 11, 2010, 10:48:56 PM
Wow. Their GUI is pretty nice.
Title: Re: Immunet 2.0 on April 15 <<First Screenshot ever on any outside forum>>
Post by: Chris Thomas on April 11, 2010, 11:01:44 PM
Upcoming Features in short form

1. The UI is now fully featured and includes many of the items people here in the Community have asked for. As many things as we could get into this release are there.

2. The product is now more acutely community focused and I'll leave it at that. There are some groundwork features in there that are not present in other AV today and we are excited about them.

3. Our cloud engines have been overhauled. ETHOS in 2.0 is fully turned up in a more aggressive setting and there is a new cloud engine called SPERO. Over all our cloud engines (all 3) jump our efficacy in 2.0 much, much higher.

4. We will be offering an 'Offline' engine tentatively called TETRA which will be available in the Premium offering. Oh, and we will have a Premium offering
which will offer additional features such as Offline Scanning, rootkit support (more in depth than the free version etc).

So 2.0 will be a new face on many of the technologies we have been baking in the beta. It will have a Free product which will always be free and a Premium product which will be commercial. The model looks much like all the other Freemium AV companies in that regard.

Our 2.0 Free product will still support 'side-by-side' installs with other AV products. I am not sure our Premium version will, I am still working that out.
Title: Re: Immunet 2.0 on April 15 <<First Screenshot ever on any outside forum>>
Post by: Lisandro on April 12, 2010, 02:48:12 AM
What I really don't like is that the core protection is being migrated from the free to the paid version.
The rootkit protection.
I really don't like it. You grow up, create a community... and then, you need to pay. Bad movement.
You'll say this will happen sooner or later. Ok. But still not a good movement.
Title: Re: Immunet 2.0 on April 15 <<First Screenshot ever on any outside forum>>
Post by: Shiw Liang on April 12, 2010, 06:23:20 AM
I am rather disappointed about that :(
Title: Re: Immunet 2.0 on April 15 <<First Screenshot ever on any outside forum>>
Post by: Chris Thomas on April 12, 2010, 08:14:49 AM
@ Tech

@ Shiw

I am also discouraged about it

When I had a chat , he told me that rootkit feature is not full fledged in the free version because they have some licensing cost on it which they have to pay

And that they will try to make it free in the future builds
Title: Re: Immunet 2.0 on April 15 <<First Screenshot ever on any outside forum>>
Post by: SpeedyPC on April 12, 2010, 08:26:31 AM
OR!

Go back to Threatfire the free version does have rootkit protection IF I'm no mistaken, and what else is not free so far ??? before they release it on the 25th maybe.
Title: Re: Immunet 2.0 on April 15 <<First Screenshot ever on any outside forum>>
Post by: Chris Thomas on April 12, 2010, 08:30:20 AM
It will also not have a new cloud engine called SPERO

There is rootkit support but it is not that deep in the free version
Title: Re: Immunet 2.0 on April 15 <<First Screenshot ever on any outside forum>>
Post by: SpeedyPC on April 12, 2010, 08:36:46 AM
Could you please tell me more about this so call SPERO the new cloud engine ??? ??? ??? and how much differences in the free version

Thanks
Title: Re: Immunet 2.0 on April 15 <<First Screenshot ever on any outside forum>>
Post by: Chris Thomas on April 12, 2010, 08:43:38 AM
QUOTE:

SPERO is entirely different. Both engines do detection in entirely separate ways. SPERO is actually much lighter and faster than ETHOS and can be more effective on some threat families. Both engines are 'broad detectors' meaning we do not have to the sample here that they are convicting. SPERO actually comes before ETHOS in our engine stack.

The free version has ETHOS
Title: Re: Immunet 2.0 on April 15 <<First Screenshot ever on any outside forum>>
Post by: Vlk on April 12, 2010, 08:44:32 AM
Guys, I question the meaning of this thread here on the avast forum.
With all respect, discussing competing products may be OK but only if it's not presented as some kind of sales pitch.

Thanks
Vlk
Title: Re: Immunet 2.0 on April 15 <<First Screenshot ever on any outside forum>>
Post by: Chris Thomas on April 12, 2010, 08:48:32 AM
@ Vlk

We are all Immunet Free users but Avast first

We mean no harm and there is not even a link about them

EDITED:

And

Avast+Immunet = Great
Title: Re: Immunet 2.0 on April 15 <<First Screenshot ever on any outside forum>>
Post by: Vlk on April 12, 2010, 09:14:23 AM
Avast+Immunet = Great

Well, I don't know... What feature of Immunet is not present in avast?
Or do you just mean that two engines will (theoretically) always detect more than one...?

You know, I'm just asking... I don't have anything against Immunet per se (unlike Hitman Pro, for example, which I absolutely dislike for what they're doing).

Thanks
Vlk
Title: Re: Immunet 2.0 on April 15 <<First Screenshot ever on any outside forum>>
Post by: Chris Thomas on April 12, 2010, 09:31:17 AM
@ Vlk

Of course Avast is the best :P

Immunet is just install and forget and don't need virus definition updates

It can be installed beside Avast and other AV without any conflict

It is their ETHOS module

It scans and uploads unknown files to their cloud

And if it is a malware they will automatically protect every other users within 2 weeks maximum

It also detects many malware that other AV's miss

I think Immunet uses many different engines in their cloud infrastructure

I should ask you a question like this

Why do Avast fans like me still have to use Malwarebytes?

The answer is the same for Immunet

Extra Precaution


QUOTE:

Any AV, no matter how good, is still missing at least half of the threats in the wild today. That is unless your testing with malware off places like malwaredomainslist or getting your samples from AV vendors, at which point they will likely do better because they've been processed, crawled etc.

As for the FW that's a non-issue for the most part. Ingress control was helpful when network worms made use of easily accessible, externally available, services which had vulnerabilities.

Since XP SP3 the attack surface has been eroded massively. It's still an issue but not one that cannot be sorted out with the default MS firewall. Egress control I suspect has more value but again it's limited. At best it will tell you have an infection. If you get exposed to a threat today it's generally through a method which bypasses your firewall such as browsing, file sharing etc.
Title: Re: Immunet 2.0 on April 15 <<First Screenshot ever on any outside forum>>
Post by: Shiw Liang on April 12, 2010, 11:50:47 AM
I guess it is like a cover up!
For threats which are missed by avast :)
Title: Re: Immunet 2.0 on April 15 <<First Screenshot ever on any outside forum>>
Post by: polonus on April 12, 2010, 12:07:27 PM
Hi malware fighters,

I have always considered Immunet Protect as added additional protection. It always said on my puter now Immunet Protect is running besides avast, so it is not a competitive product. If the avast in the cloud protection covers the same, I'd like to hear. Immunet Protect as a project created by former symantec developers was never meant as a resident all-including protection product. If I understood that wrong, I am sorry I ever promoted the use of it. There are lot of tools that can run next to avast, just like TrendMicro's RuBotted, SpyWareBlaster, ClamAV non-resident stand-alone, DrWeb's CureIT, etc. etc. and that does not make us promotors of these products, that is a bit short-tracked conclusion and indeed was never my intension, only for users to try and close the vulnerability window a bit further,

polonus
Title: Re: Immunet 2.0 on April 15 <<First Screenshot ever on any outside forum>>
Post by: SpeedyPC on April 12, 2010, 12:18:17 PM
If the avast in the cloud protection covers the same, I'd like to hear.

Me too. ;) :D :) ;D I'd like to hear as well.
Title: Re: Immunet 2.0 on April 15 <<First Screenshot ever on any outside forum>>
Post by: Dwarden on April 12, 2010, 08:17:17 PM
i wonder now what will happen with the Clam Antivirus because for some reason they partnered with this project ...
Title: Re: Immunet 2.0 on April 15 <<First Screenshot ever on any outside forum>>
Post by: Chris Thomas on April 12, 2010, 08:47:52 PM
@ Dwarden

ClamAV and Immunet are going to separate and go in different direction after some time.

Immunet just gives them their Real time Shield and they gave their engine and detections in return to be integrated in the cloud infrastructure.

Nothing more
Title: Re: Immunet 2.0 on April 15 <<First Screenshot ever on any outside forum>>
Post by: Lisandro on April 12, 2010, 09:21:47 PM
ClamAV and Immunet are going to separate and go in different direction after some time.
They always say so... then, sooner or later, the free product is not more updated, disappears from the market, become shareware...
We know the story...
Title: Re: Immunet 2.0 on April 15 <<First Screenshot ever on any outside forum>>
Post by: Chris Thomas on April 12, 2010, 09:24:05 PM
Don't worry Tech  ;)

There is an Immunet Protect Pro and Immunet Protect Free

ClamAv is not a part of Immunet

Immunet simply powers it and this will change after some time

We will see on April 15 if they stick with their words.
Title: Re: Immunet 2.0 on April 15 <<First Screenshot ever on any outside forum>>
Post by: Lisandro on April 12, 2010, 09:31:04 PM
I'm not worried at all :)
Immunet gives me nothing besides avast. The community is very small. I'd rather trust in ThreatFire.
Just I do not trust in companies that change the freeware status into shareware, that "use" the community until the point they can sell their product.
Title: Re: Immunet 2.0 on April 15 <<First Screenshot ever on any outside forum>>
Post by: Vlk on April 12, 2010, 10:32:09 PM
My specific objection against these "new" in-the-cloud AV's is that they shamelessly parasite on the existing AV vendors who spent decades of R&D on getting where they are.

I mean, what most of these home-grown clouds do is basically run each of the files through a dozen of AV scanners (in the cloud) and if at least some of them detect something, report the file as infected. Building a business on top of such an idea is not very nice indeed, and calling such an "engine" ETHOS only adds to its blatantness.

Just my opinion of course.

Thanks
Vlk
Title: Re: Immunet 2.0 on April 15 <<First Screenshot ever on any outside forum>>
Post by: polonus on April 12, 2010, 11:58:38 PM
Hi Vlk,

If this is really so, it must be rather frustating for the av vendors whosee protection code is being abused in such a way and fashion.
Is McAfee Security Plan Plus a similar scheme?

polonus
Title: Re: Immunet 2.0 on April 15 <<First Screenshot ever on any outside forum>>
Post by: bob3160 on April 13, 2010, 12:38:55 AM
I personally have used Immunet since I started testing the beta versions of avast! 5.
I presently still have it running even though avast!5 is no longer in beta only because it's free and doesn't seem to interfere with avast!
or slow down the system..
The day Immunet starts charging for what's now available for free, is the day it's history on my systems.
Title: Re: Immunet 2.0 on April 15 <<First Screenshot ever on any outside forum>>
Post by: llariel on April 13, 2010, 02:21:37 AM
Avast+Immunet = Great

I prefer avast! + ThreatFire
Title: Re: Immunet 2.0 on April 15 <<First Screenshot ever on any outside forum>>
Post by: Lisandro on April 13, 2010, 04:50:07 AM
run each of the files through a dozen of AV scanners (in the cloud) and if at least some of them detect something, report the file as infected.
How do they do so?
Is any file uploaded to be scanned?
Title: Re: Immunet 2.0 on April 15 <<First Screenshot ever on any outside forum>>
Post by: Shiw Liang on April 13, 2010, 05:02:34 AM
Ah seem that immunet is becoming a history and threatfire is back on people's system^^
Title: Re: Immunet 2.0 on April 15 <<First Screenshot ever on any outside forum>>
Post by: FreewheelinFrank on April 13, 2010, 06:20:38 AM
run each of the files through a dozen of AV scanners (in the cloud) and if at least some of them detect something, report the file as infected.
How do they do so?
Is any file uploaded to be scanned?

No, only the hash- only unrecognised files are uploaded.

http://dontsurfinthenude.blogspot.com/2010/03/anti-virus-in-cloud.html
Title: Re: Immunet 2.0 on April 15 <<First Screenshot ever on any outside forum>>
Post by: FreewheelinFrank on April 13, 2010, 06:32:16 AM
My specific objection against these "new" in-the-cloud AV's is that they shamelessly parasite on the existing AV vendors who spent decades of R&D on getting where they are.

I mean, what most of these home-grown clouds do is basically run each of the files through a dozen of AV scanners (in the cloud) and if at least some of them detect something, report the file as infected. Building a business on top of such an idea is not very nice indeed, and calling such an "engine" ETHOS only adds to its blatantness.

Just my opinion of course.

Thanks
Vlk

Do commercial cloud virus solutions (Immunet, Panda) actually do that? Is it legal?

I know the first cloud AV used avast!- but that was an academic exercise and not commercial. Did they get permission?

http://www.usenix.org/events/sec08/tech/full_papers/oberheide/oberheide_html/ (http://www.usenix.org/events/sec08/tech/full_papers/oberheide/oberheide_html/)

Immunet seems to use a different method- which is to observe any AV it is installed next to an report files that AV detects as malicious to Immunet. (See blog post.) Sort of like a parasite, feeding and growing stronger on a host, if you want to look at it that way.

http://dontsurfinthenude.blogspot.com/2010/03/anti-virus-in-cloud.html
Title: Re: Immunet 2.0 on April 15 <<First Screenshot ever on any outside forum>>
Post by: +AdDicT+ on April 13, 2010, 07:18:53 AM

Quote
Immunet seems to use a different method- which is to observe any AV it is installed next to an report files that AV detects as malicious to Immunet. (See blog post.) Sort of like a parasite, feeding and growing stronger on a host, if you want to look at it that way.

http://dontsurfinthenude.blogspot.com/2010/03/anti-virus-in-cloud.html
O-ho..what a presumptuous strategy..[i prefer to look it that way]

Impressive

-AnimeLover^^
Title: Re: Immunet 2.0 on April 15 <<First Screenshot ever on any outside forum>>
Post by: Chris Thomas on April 13, 2010, 09:32:41 AM
@ Vlk

Nice observations.

First Question:

Don't the cloud AV's license these engines of different AV's to be used in the cloud?

Or Do they do it without asking them?


QUOTE from Immunet Blog

How Immunet Detects Threats, In a Nutshell
DateSunday, March 7, 2010 at 8:46PM |

I often get asked what makes Immunet’s approach to detecting threats different than the mainstream Anti-Virus companies.  In a nutshell, our goal is to find threats which are in small parts of our community, analyze them and then protect the whole community from them as fast as possible, often in near real time.

We do not focus on obscure threats, or threats which circulate outside of our community. We are not big fans of the 'boil the ocean' approach to doing Anti-Virus. It works well for reviewers (who test with everything under the sun) but it rarely really helps your community. There is a reason people are still getting viruses and it's time we rethink our (the industry) approach to tackling this problem.

As to 'how' we convict files. All of our current approaches entail communication back and forth with the cloud so that rarely is a decision made in 'decision support isolation’. This allows you to work with the most current, up to the minute, information that we have. Here are some of the approaches we use:

   1. Generic detection of threats through broad hashing. We look for things that look 'like' threats we know of and try to further analyze them for conviction so we can protect the community. This can also be called a 'heuristic' engine if you like.  Our generic engine is ETHOS; we have another planned for May, which is called SPERO.
   2. Context conviction, this is where we make decisions based off the data we receive about a file in field. From community collected data we can make assumptions about whether a file is a virus or not. For example, did our AV stop working after it was installed? Did the system start to see other viruses after it was installed? Questions like this will often lead to answers, which make us highly suspicious of a file.  
   3. One-to-One conviction, this is where there is a known threat we've collected from the community, through collection trading or gathered from web crawling. For each of these collected (and verified malicious files) we generate a signature. When users do file look-ups this signature is sent to us, if it matches a known threat we convict the file as a virus.


There are a few other ways as well and each of those approaches above could be a daylong chat on their own but that's the mile high view today (March 7, 2010).

Title: Re: Immunet 2.0 on April 15 <<First Screenshot ever on any outside forum>>
Post by: Lisandro on April 14, 2010, 12:52:50 AM
only unrecognised files are uploaded
Wow!
What a privacy issue!

Immunet seems to use a different method- which is to observe any AV it is installed next to an report files that AV detects as malicious to Immunet. (See blog post.) Sort of like a parasite, feeding and growing stronger on a host, if you want to look at it that way.
Well, still unacceptable!
Who gives the permission to upload a file to them? Maybe it's written in the EULA that nobody reads...
Title: Re: Immunet 2.0 on April 15 <<First Screenshot ever on any outside forum>>
Post by: Lisandro on April 14, 2010, 12:57:55 AM
In a nutshell, our goal is to find threats which are in small parts of our community, analyze them and then protect the whole community from them as fast as possible, often in near real time.

We do not focus on obscure threats, or threats which circulate outside of our community. We are not big fans of the 'boil the ocean' approach to doing Anti-Virus.
I can't believe! Are we boiling the ocean?

It works well for reviewers (who test with everything under the sun) but it rarely really helps your community.
Makes no sense. The infection is real, being or not in the community.
Now it seems a stupid community imho.

1. Generic detection of threats through broad hashing. We look for things that look 'like' threats we know of and try to further analyze them for conviction so we can protect the community. This can also be called a 'heuristic' engine if you like.  Our generic engine is ETHOS; we have another planned for May, which is called SPERO.
Generic detection? ???
What's that? They're using others' engine!!!

From community collected data we can make assumptions about whether a file is a virus or not.
Privacy concerns.

For example, did our AV stop working after it was installed? Did the system start to see other viruses after it was installed? Questions like this will often lead to answers, which make us highly suspicious of a file.
Again: the antivirus team has the work and they just "use" it.
Title: Re: Immunet 2.0 on April 15 <<First Screenshot ever on any outside forum>>
Post by: Chris Thomas on April 14, 2010, 03:41:23 PM
In a nutshell, our goal is to find threats which are in small parts of our community, analyze them and then protect the whole community from them as fast as possible, often in near real time.

We do not focus on obscure threats, or threats which circulate outside of our community. We are not big fans of the 'boil the ocean' approach to doing Anti-Virus.
I can't believe! Are we boiling the ocean?

It works well for reviewers (who test with everything under the sun) but it rarely really helps your community.
Makes no sense. The infection is real, being or not in the community.
Now it seems a stupid community imho.

1. Generic detection of threats through broad hashing. We look for things that look 'like' threats we know of and try to further analyze them for conviction so we can protect the community. This can also be called a 'heuristic' engine if you like.  Our generic engine is ETHOS; we have another planned for May, which is called SPERO.
Generic detection? ???
What's that? They're using others' engine!!!

From community collected data we can make assumptions about whether a file is a virus or not.
Privacy concerns.

For example, did our AV stop working after it was installed? Did the system start to see other viruses after it was installed? Questions like this will often lead to answers, which make us highly suspicious of a file.
Again: the antivirus team has the work and they just "use" it.


There is an option in 2.0 for users to explicitly turn off the transmission of files to Immunet while continuing to provide the same level of protection (and number of engines) that the 1.0 BETA release provides today.

QUOTE:

Rest assured that any files sent to Immunet are used solely to protect our users and rarely even seen by a human. We also do not collect documents or other sensitive information.

Now, the reality is that most, if not all, AntiVirus products send suspicious files to their labs for analysis. Some products make this configurable, while others don't. It has become standard practice primarily because it helps to identify new threats. The caveat here is that this should be clearly visible and configurable for our users.


EDITED:

76% of Immunet users have no AV installed

More information about ETHOS

http://blog.immunet.com/blog/2010/2/17/the-immunet-protect-ethos-engine-a-week-in-the-life.html

And,

Release Dates of beta got changed to May
Title: Re: Immunet 2.0 <<First Screenshot ever on any outside forum>>
Post by: Lisandro on April 15, 2010, 03:02:27 AM
Rest assured that any files sent to Immunet are used solely to protect our users and rarely even seen by a human. We also do not collect documents or other sensitive information.
I can't trust in this "technology" they're using. I feel like Vlk posted before.

Now, the reality is that most, if not all, AntiVirus products send suspicious files to their labs for analysis. Some products make this configurable, while others don't. It has become standard practice primarily because it helps to identify new threats. The caveat here is that this should be clearly visible and configurable for our users.
They don't "do" anything... just "use" the others' detection and hard work.
Title: Re: Immunet 2.0 <<First Screenshot ever on any outside forum>>
Post by: Chris Thomas on May 08, 2010, 07:26:22 AM
Immunet Pre-Launch 'Beta' Sign-up Now Open

http://community.immunet.com/immunet/topics/immunet_pre_launch_beta_sign_up_now_open

CLOSED THIS THREAD
Title: Re: Immunet 2.0 <<First Screenshot ever on any outside forum>>
Post by: ravi16aug on May 13, 2010, 11:03:17 AM
@Vlk

I really respect the kind of product avast! team has managed to deliver in its present form, but regarding your stand on products like HitMan Pro, what difference does it make if you license your engine to a company like GData (which makes a traditional AV) or HitMan Pro (a cloud based app)? Is it the amount of money or the amount of co-scanners?
Title: Re: Immunet 2.0 <<First Screenshot ever on any outside forum>>
Post by: PapaSmurf on May 14, 2010, 05:36:25 AM
Ok, am I the only one who is thinking "overkill"?
firewall, both hardware AND software
!avast anti-virus
Firefox with enuf addons to choke a cow
assorted malware scanners of all kinds
Rootkit tools, various
and now....there is something to run with your anti-virus????
Are you kidding???????
Look kiddies, if the damn virus makes it past all the freakin' stuff that I am running,
thet deserve to have my system...geesh. My system is more locked up
than my car.
There comes a point in time where enuf is enuf. I think I prefer to have some computing
room left to..oh..I don't know....COMPUTE!
Of course, the paranoid self still thinks the world is out to get me...I gotta stop listening to the voices.....
 :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Immunet 2.0 <<First Screenshot ever on any outside forum>>
Post by: bob3160 on May 14, 2010, 05:44:48 PM
Doom, Gloom please I need more Room to add just one more antivirus program or,
something else to keep me safe from spam.
Maybe another firewall will help the situation to keep me safe from all this abomination.

Now that I've loaded up my computer with all this stuff,
I realize that booting up my system is really getting ruff.
When I try to get on-line, it's really taking a long time.
I can't even watch a video cause it's really running slow.
 ;D    ;D    ;D    ;D    ;D

Title: Re: Immunet 2.0 <<First Screenshot ever on any outside forum>>
Post by: ravi16aug on May 14, 2010, 05:45:43 PM
still waiting for Vlk's take on HitMan Pro vs GData licensing
Title: Re: Immunet 2.0 <<First Screenshot ever on any outside forum>>
Post by: SpeedyPC on May 14, 2010, 08:06:13 PM
still waiting for Vlk's take on HitMan Pro vs GData licensing

May I ask WHY ???
Title: Re: Immunet 2.0 <<First Screenshot ever on any outside forum>>
Post by: ardvark on May 15, 2010, 02:12:26 PM
Doom, Gloom please I need more Room to add just one more antivirus program or,
something else to keep me safe from spam.
Maybe another firewall will help the situation to keep me safe from all this abomination.

Now that I've loaded up my computer with all this stuff,
I realize that booting up my system is really getting ruff.
When I try to get on-line, it's really taking a long time.
I can't even watch a video cause it's really running slow.
 ;D    ;D    ;D    ;D    ;D

Hi Bob...

And that is probably one of the reasons why "76% of Immunet users have no AV installed" as reported in a previous post by Chris. I know it was for me. ;D

Regards...
Title: Re: Immunet 2.0 <<First Screenshot ever on any outside forum>>
Post by: ravi16aug on May 16, 2010, 07:15:15 AM
still waiting for Vlk's take on HitMan Pro vs GData licensing

May I ask WHY ???
In case you have been following this thread then you wouldn't be asking this question. Anyway, its because I don't find any reason why Vlk finds a product like HitMan Pro offensive.
Title: Re: Immunet 2.0 <<First Screenshot ever on any outside forum>>
Post by: Chris Thomas on May 17, 2010, 11:07:00 AM
I got the prerelease version. ;D

Link removed

The screenshots have changed

MAIN SCREENSHOT

(http://i39.tinypic.com/21kl1f8.png)



DIFFERENCE BETWEEN FREE VERSION AND PAID




(http://i39.tinypic.com/ou5tef.png)

(http://i41.tinypic.com/oubou1.png)


CONCLUSION

Doing a full scan right now (EDITED: Just now finished around 30 minutes). I think all this noise about cloud AVs as just useless at this point of time and year.

Immunet free version comes with Ask toolbar  >:( - Another one with Ask

Immunet paid costs around 20$

Considering all this: I think cloud AV's will not be able to replace the traditional AVs ::)

And,

Avast rocks!

I was excited about cloud AV's and I think it will take ages for them even to start dreaming about replacing traditional AVs

Nothing can replace Avast freeware offering!

You might use it as another layer of defense if you need to

Can any technical person please check if Immunet is leaching on to other installed AV's ?
Title: Re: Immunet 2.0 <<First Screenshot ever on any outside forum>>
Post by: Rumpel on May 17, 2010, 12:32:24 PM
I finally found time to read this thread.

Can any technical person please check if Immunet is leaching on to other installed AV's ?
Frank has already done it for you.

Immunet seems to use a different method- which is to observe any AV it is installed next to an report files that AV detects as malicious to Immunet. (See blog post.) Sort of like a parasite, feeding and growing stronger on a host, if you want to look at it that way.

http://dontsurfinthenude.blogspot.com/2010/03/anti-virus-in-cloud.html

So, according to the explanation of Frank, Immunet doesn't directly copy malware detections of other security software companies except through their users thanks to their "cloud" technology, which probably made someone like Vlk feel as if he had a cheating "neighbor" in an examination.  Immunet's way of doing this might not be illegal and more sophisticated than what IObit (http://news.softpedia.com/news/Malwarebytes-Accuses-IObit-Plays-Dead-126389.shtml) did but there is no wonder Vlk find it a questionable practice as an AV company.

The problem is that, no matter how the company gathered info of malware, if users find their products are effective, there is nothing to prevent them from installing Immunet on their systems, which keeps helping Immunet copy the definitions of the products of other anti-malware companies...
Title: Re: Immunet 2.0 <<First Screenshot ever on any outside forum>>
Post by: bob3160 on May 17, 2010, 04:07:33 PM
I believe you where also asked not to reveal any screenshots.  :o
Title: Re: Immunet 2.0 <<First Screenshot ever on any outside forum>>
Post by: Shiw Liang on May 17, 2010, 04:24:50 PM
Hm..I am wondering why immunet is putting askbar also..And why some other software also..
Title: Re: Immunet 2.0 <<First Screenshot ever on any outside forum>>
Post by: SpeedyPC on May 18, 2010, 02:51:06 PM
G'day Chris Thomas,

I saw your last post I'm having trouble searching on Google about the new detection engines call "Tetra" from your last post, can please tell me about this new detection engines call "Tetra" from the pre-release version of Immunet and how much different when comparing two other detection engines call "Ethos" & "Spero" because it looks interesting.

Thank you
Title: Re: Immunet 2.0 <<First Screenshot ever on any outside forum>>
Post by: SpeedyPC on May 18, 2010, 02:53:45 PM
Hm..I am wondering why immunet is putting askbar also..And why some other software also..

All I can think of and why immunet is putting askbar is (http://www.smileyshut.com/smileys/new/3D Smiles (310).jpg)(http://www.smileyshut.com/smileys/new/3D Smiles (28).jpg)
Title: Re: Immunet 2.0 <<First Screenshot ever on any outside forum>>
Post by: Shiw Liang on May 18, 2010, 05:49:40 PM
lol...
Title: Re: Immunet 2.0 <<First Screenshot ever on any outside forum>>
Post by: anothermack on May 18, 2010, 10:54:42 PM
Hello, I am not linked to any other vendor, and i'm really willing to be less paranoid and more easygoing, but just a short list because i really think this list is impressive:

-needs to be connected to internet and allowed connex in order to be useful
-prefers to have assistance of already present antivirus program(s)
-anyone read Privacy Policy/EULA? 18 year or older or need parents approval / cookies are delicious and are used to help you
-ask toolbar
-feel free to add your Facebook contact list to your community in order to make their surfing lives safer too, next to your own

Come on...

Seen shorter lists that would have invoked quite some lifted eyebrows some years ago, but borders shifted quite a bit recently didn't they?...

Maybe i just don't get it/am getting old

By the way the interface/GUI design alone would have some years ago invoked some laughter some years ago.  Let alone the layout of the user forum which looks like it's rather designed by someone in the marketing department who would have prefered to create some colourful slideshow presentation


brgds
mack
Title: Re: Immunet 2.0 <<First Screenshot ever on any outside forum>>
Post by: Chris Thomas on May 19, 2010, 04:37:53 PM
I have removed the download link because I had no permission to give it to users who didn't sign up for beta testing

Sorry about that!

@Speed

SPERO is a lightweight cloud engine that detects threat based off machine learning based models, which are updated from streamed community data


TETRA is a powerful traditional antivirus engine which provides protection for users when they are not connected to the Internet and acts as a supporting role to other engines when you are online
Title: Re: Immunet 2.0 <<First Screenshot ever on any outside forum>>
Post by: bob3160 on May 19, 2010, 05:42:27 PM
I have removed the download link because I had no permission to give it to users who didn't sign up for beta testing

Sorry about that!
Chris,
I believe you where also asked not to post any screen shots.
Title: Re: Immunet 2.0 <<First Screenshot ever on any outside forum>>
Post by: Chris Thomas on May 19, 2010, 05:44:42 PM
I have removed the download link because I had no permission to give it to users who didn't sign up for beta testing

Sorry about that!
Chris,
I believe you where also asked not to post any screen shots.

I think NO
Title: Re: Immunet 2.0 <<First Screenshot ever on any outside forum>>
Post by: SpeedyPC on May 20, 2010, 12:34:15 PM
TETRA is a powerful traditional antivirus engine which provides protection for users when they are not connected to the Internet and acts as a supporting role to other engines when you are online

Interesting 8) thank for the feedback.
Title: Re: Immunet 2.0 <<First Screenshot ever on any outside forum>>
Post by: Lisandro on May 20, 2010, 03:58:11 PM
Immunet is promising much more than can release.
They're uploading files from the user to check, they have make a community first then reserve some features for pro users, etc.
I think ThreatFire is more reliable (even it belongs to Symantec).
Hope AIS include HIPS in the future. Then we can let ThreatFire away...
Title: Re: Immunet 2.0 <<First Screenshot ever on any outside forum>>
Post by: SpeedyPC on May 20, 2010, 04:40:12 PM
Hope AIS include HIPS in the future. Then we can let ThreatFire away...

I agree as well it will be very much like Comodo Internet Security having AV, Firewall and Defence+ (HIPS) all in one package, I'm not sure about dropping ThreatFire or Immunet sometime Avast are not always 100% update in virus definitions. What ThreatFire and Immunet saying it a good idea to have something next to your AV software as another layer of defence, it doesn't matter if you choose ThreatFire or Immunet it your choice it still a great idea to have something next to your AV and firewall.
Title: Re: Immunet 2.0 <<First Screenshot ever on any outside forum>>
Post by: Lisandro on May 20, 2010, 04:46:57 PM
What ThreatFire and Immunet saying it a good idea to have something next to your AV software as another layer of defence, it doesn't matter if you choose ThreatFire or Immunet it your choice it still a great idea to have something next to your AV and firewall.
Do you trust Immunet company?