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Other => General Topics => Topic started by: Hermite15 on July 23, 2010, 03:47:25 PM
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I had no idea...just found out about it in an article actually about the rise of Chrome in Europe
(http://img.clubic.com/photo/03397026.jpg)
found here:
http://www.clubic.com/navigateur-internet/actualite-354448-parts-de-marche-navigateurs-internet-europe.html
the next graph is for Europe globally:
(http://img.clubic.com/photo/03397022.jpg)
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Wow, the Germans really don't like IE then ;D
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Always knew the Germans where smart people..... ;D ;D ;D
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Kind of a shame that Opera does not have a larger user base. Over the years it has had overall better track record as to vulnerabilities and response time to fixing vulnerabilities when they do occur.
Fx is also my default browser mainly due to features of several key extensions, and if not for these extensions then Opera would be my default instead of being secondary browser.
I do quite a bit of printing from web sites hence until Chrome provides page setup options/settings (as all the other browsers), cannot not really use even as a secondary browser. Also on my systems Chrome is not much faster than Fx. Maybe that's due to the tweaks I've applied to Fx:
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r23524435-FireFox-Fx-v36-series-Speed-Tweaks
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Opera is a very good browser. But the lack of addons and configurability always brings me back to Firefox :)
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Opera is a very good browser. But the lack of addons and configurability always brings me back to Firefox :)
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Recently when there was a security vulnerability in IE , the German government intervened and asked people to use a different browser....
I wish a German developed a Internet browser because Germans have this knack of making things perfect, nearly perfect.
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yeah I admit Opera market share being so low is a shame. It's a very good browser indeed, faster than Chrome now (well on the benchmarks...), and it has "Unite". But again, they refuse to adopt an extension system; would be very limited anyway as long as they keep refusing to open the code. My guess is also that Opera is still suffering for having been a paid browser...made them have a rather bad reputation when Netscape and IE were free for ages... I don't even know when it became free..anyway, Opera is still the official browser of the French administration :)
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Recently when there was a security vulnerability in IE , the German government intervened and asked people to use a different browser....
they did the same with Firefox ;) (temporarily, until a flaw got patched)
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/22/germany_firefox_warning/
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Opera is a very good browser. But the lack of addons and configurability always brings me back to Firefox :)
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Recently when there was a security vulnerability in IE , the German government intervened and asked people to use a different browser....
I wish a German developed a Internet browser because Germans have this knack of making things perfect, nearly perfect.
The vulnerability in IE only affect versions 6 & 7. IE 8 is not included.
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Opera is a very good browser. But the lack of addons and configurability always brings me back to Firefox :)
IHMO Opera making a big mistake by not adding the ability to uses add-ons; and the Widgets don't even come close.
Have not read up as to all the changes made to Opera since to 10.x versions, but the 8.x and 9.0 versions one could to do quite a bit of customization if they learned how to use Opera's User JavaScript. ;)
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Hi forum friends,
What I think is bad policy is that when you do not/cannot upgrade Windows OS you cannot use their latest IE version any longer. What about all the firms where the boss/staff chains his/their workers to an insecure Windows SP2 console?
polonus
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Opera is a very good browser. But the lack of addons and configurability always brings me back to Firefox :)
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Recently when there was a security vulnerability in IE , the German government intervened and asked people to use a different browser....
I wish a German developed a Internet browser because Germans have this knack of making things perfect, nearly perfect.
Iron is a German browser based on Chrome. ;) http://www.srware.net/en/software_srware_iron.php
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based on Chrome
...okay, we're talking development...not "mod" ;) ...any browser based on Chrome is still Chrome, not a new browser, whatever the modifications are...
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I had no idea...just found out about it in an article actually about the rise of Chrome in Europe
Me neither, but thanks for the very interesting info...!!
asyn
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But i think chrome is better,or to be more clear any thing google programs is the best like picasa,gmail,gtalk,google earth,their new os chromium ,and so on............
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I think that four people use SeaMonkey and I'm one of them. ;)
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I think that four people use SeaMonkey and I'm one of them. ;)
I prefer not to live at the bottom of the ocean. ;)
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But i think chrome is better,or to be more clear any thing google programs is the best like picasa,gmail,gtalk,google earth,their new os chromium ,and so on............
I would really have to disagree with that. I use both Gmail and GMX and I prefer the latter but I don't use the web based part of either one, I retrieve my mail with Outlook Express. I do prefer the web access in GMX though. It's simpler and easier to navigate. The only Google offering I use regularly is the search and that's just because I always have and I can always find what I'm looking for. The Google OS is a joke that is most likely doomed to failure or at best to be a niche application with limited adoption.
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DCH I got a GMX account...I'm getting reminders regularly from them asking me if I forgot about...them. And the answer would definitely be, each time they mail me: YES :D (and I see you're using Outlook Express, best email client I suppose ;D )
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DCH I got a GMX account...I'm getting reminders regularly from them asking me if I forgot about...them. And the answer would definitely be, each time they mail me: YES :D (and I see you're using Outlook Express, best email client I suppose ;D )
I never get anything from GMX like that. The only things I get from them are notices of new features which are added on a regular basis.
Actually, yes, Outlook Express is the best email client I have ever used. It's simple and does everything I need to do with an email program. Thunderbird is a nightmare and impossible to get to work correctly. The only other client I like is Windows Mail in Vista or Live Mail for XP which works pretty much the same as OE.
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Nothing wrong with GMX I've had an email account with them for ages and never had a problem.
It keeps getting better constantly. :)
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Nothing wrong with GMX I've had an email account with them for ages and never had a problem.
It keeps getting better constantly. :)
there's been a few times where I couldn't even access my account (on the web interface), had to insist, try later etc...other times when it only run in Internet explorer. Now to the desktop client side: GMX works with IMAP, but it won't allow you to configure "special IMAP" folders the way Gmail does...it's a million miles behind Gmail, in every way. The login screen offers https as an option (like hotmail) ::) The settings are poor etc...
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Nothing wrong with GMX I've had an email account with them for ages and never had a problem.
It keeps getting better constantly. :)
there's been a few times where I couldn't even access my account (on the web interface), had to insist, try later etc...other times when it only run in Internet explorer. Now to the desktop client side: GMX works with IMAP, but it won't allow you to configure "special IMAP" folders the way Gmail does...it's a million miles behind Gmail, in every way. The login screen offers https as an option (like hotmail) ::) The settings are poor etc...
Well, I've never even used IMAP because I've never seen a reason to and I don't sort or even keep mail. I read it and delete it for the most part. Only a few get saved. I turn off the spam filtering in GMX and let Spamfighter take care of that in OE. I very rarely use the web interface and don't want mail being trapped there that may not actually be spam. I want to be able to see it all the day it comes in. I've never had a single problem with GMX in the way I use it but my Gmail account that I use for junk mail has gone down a few times. I don't need all the options and bells and whistles that Gmail might have, I just want a simple email operation. GMX also has never been accused of spying on you like Google does.
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DCH, you're the perfect prey for online predators ;) ...the "out of the box guy" meant for "out of the box" stuff, no offense but you're funny in a way :)
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DCH, you're the perfect prey for online predators ;) ...the "out of the box guy" meant for "out of the box" stuff, no offense but you're funny in a way :)
If I'm the "perfect prey" how come they have never gotten me?
What I am is an example of how you don't need to do all the things recommended by "experts" and still remain clean.
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Dch,
Don't feel bad, you aren't alone. There are many that don't go overboard and still remain "safe".
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Firefox To Make History, About To Surpass IE in Europe
http://www.conceivablytech.com/2089/business/firefox-to-make-history-about-to-surpass-ie-in-europe/
(http://www.conceivablytech.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/statcounterbsharejulyeurope2010.jpg)
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Well according to the graph it isn't so much firefox growing more IE shrinking, which means other browsers are taking up the shrinkage.
So another statistic being able to be manipulated as firefox is only just beginning to get back to where it was percentage wise in July 2009 and still not as high as it was in following 6 months.
Perhaps that graph title should be IE to make history by dropping off top browser spot in Europe as it isn't so much firefox winning it but IE losing it.
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Well according to the graph it isn't so much firefox growing more IE shrinking, which means other browsers are taking up the shrinkage.
So another statistic being able to be manipulated as firefox is only just beginning to get back to where it was percentage wise in July 2009 and still not as high as it was in following 6 months.
Perhaps that graph title should be IE to make history by dropping off top browser spot in Europe as it isn't so much firefox winning it but IE losing it.
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Statistics never lie they just never tell the whole truth. ;D ;D
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Well according to the graph it isn't so much firefox growing more IE shrinking, which means other browsers are taking up the shrinkage.
yep it's Chrome ;D
ps: read the article, they don't lie about it. Main thing is IE goin' down anyway (insert clap emoticon here)
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Hi posters in the thread,
But why was this discussion never taken seriously here: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703467304575383530439838568.html
So IE8 gave up on the user and GoogleChrome as far as I know never even got into this debate. I have the idea that browser was just designed to be a Google tracking machine that could also function as a common web browser,
Unless I use a browser with extensions like NoScript and RequestPolicy combined I am prey to ad trackers all sorts (just have an occasional glance at what Ghostery shows and when I see Kontera and friends from the grey area there, I get the creeps) and do not even have a minimal amount of privacy, but as the average user is a long, long way from realizing the consequences of all that nothing is going to change for a long time,
polonus
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ps: read the article, they don't lie about it. Main thing is IE goin' down anyway (insert clap emoticon here)
I find it hard to be bothered to download or read an article when the title is so totally wrong, it isn't firefox making history but IE, by falling off a cliff over the last 18 months.
In the last 18 months firefox has hardly moved and has lost ground in the last 6 months after gaining ground in the first 11 months, so they haven't really won or surpassed anything, they have been undertaken by IE.
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I have the idea that browser was just designed to be a Google tracking machine that could also function as a common web browser.
You're quite right about this..!!
asyn
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Damien,
The only way to maintain your privacy and anonymity these days is to crawl into a hole and hide.
Privacy as you know it is dead and all the extra precautions your taking will still not bring it back.
Sorry friend. :)
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I find it hard to be bothered to download or read an article when the title is so totally wrong, it isn't firefox making history but IE, by falling off a cliff over the last 18 months.
so don't ::)
In the last 18 months firefox has hardly moved and has lost ground in the last 6 months after gaining ground in the first 11 months, so they haven't really won or surpassed anything, they have been undertaken by IE.
I find it hard to hear that you're again mentioning IE dropping on its own...unless users are ditching the Internet, they must be using something else instead right, and as I said, it's Chrome. This said the article title is partly misleading, because Chrome and not Firefox is responsible for the IE fall. And not completely misleading as in the meantime, i.e. until Chrome gets a bigger user base, Firefox will be mathematically the dominant browser in the EU (thanks Chrome ;)) ...this can still change, depending on how FF4 evolves, and we don't know yet.
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Damien,
The only way to maintain your privacy and anonymity these days is to crawl into a hole and hide.
Privacy as you know it is dead and all the extra precautions your taking will still not bring it back.
Sorry friend. :)
Not true, Bob...
There are possibilities to maintain privacy and anonymity...! (eg. TOR, etc...)
But the speed will suffer if one uses free services..
asyn
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Hi Asyn,
You are right. I do not mind to give up some anonymity, I am also legally obliged to do so or my ISP is legally bound by regulations. But I like to block some private parties from tracking me, because they will earn from my clicks and what do I get in return, not much only more ads served up faster and I have an ad-machine where I have to read the useful info in between the pop-ups and unders. I know youngsters there had this all day during infancy cannot live without this, but again it is not my world by choice.
And I know what has been repeatedly remembered here by some: "These are the sign of the times, live with it and when you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear". But all those that state these mutterings, have they ever gave it a split second to ponder why this all was systematically and very subtly brought over us. You can say well I like to give up some anonymity for a good course and the good of all, up and until the moment there is no privacy whatsoever left and you feel you hands tied together at your back and then you will exclaim: "How did that happen, why I forgot to notice - the milkman is no longer coming to the door, I miss the butcher, the greengrocer, now all the farmers start to disappear, we do not have to "hold up appearances" somehow, and at the call center I never know who I will get on the line next. So my point is, I do not want to be lead blindly and want some of my individuality left, so I ask you earnestly where have the checkers gone to check on those that check on us (they have the anonymity now I so clearly miss), and I know there are some people that have given that a good thought also,
polonus
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Well spoken, Damian...!!
asyn
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Hi Asyn,
To wake these people up, there is this firefox and googlechrome add-on Google-alarm: http://mashable.com/2010/07/27/google-alarm/
And here: http://www.techexplorer.in/2010/07/google-alarma-firefox-chrome-add-on-that-notifies-you-when-googles-watching-you.html
Why isn't it on the official Firefox add-on page? Is it completely secure? htxp://jamiedubs.com/googlealarm/
With the finjan check I get malicious code detected in the file requested- comes with an "//eval fadeOut(''+topIC+'')" at the end,
polonus
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Why isn't it on the official Firefox add-on page? Is it secure? htxp://jamiedubs.com/googlealarm/
Must pass the certification first...!
But there's no real need for it, imo. (Haven't checked it further)
asyn
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Hi Asyn,
To wake these people up, there is this firefox and googlechrome add-on Google-alarm: http://mashable.com/2010/07/27/google-alarm/
And here: http://www.techexplorer.in/2010/07/google-alarma-firefox-chrome-add-on-that-notifies-you-when-googles-watching-you.html
Why isn't it on the official Firefox add-on page? Is it completely secure? htxp://jamiedubs.com/googlealarm/
With the finjan check I get malicious code detected in the file requested- comes with an "//eval fadeOut(''+topIC+'')" at the end,
polonus
so, malicious or not?
edit: virus total says OK.
https://www.virustotal.com/analisis/ee0e0c56a12adc919e50992a7198668e59660d4d5c3a7c5060f0dc405184a415-1280779290
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Maybe in Germany, But not everywhere.
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/ie-up-firefox-down/9152?tag=mantle_skin;content
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The only problem with using other browsers is that you have to end up using IE in many cases. It's odd but I have found that certain drivers are not present in other browsers. I was looking for a driver for Windows 7 in Firefox for HP.com and they were not present when I used Firefox. I have had this experience more frequent with Googles Chrome. I just happened to use IE8 and the windows 7 drivers were present. Has anyone had this experience? I have to use IE for work and I work for the State of Pennsylvania, or else it doesn't work properly. I avoid IE8 but tend to use it for important things.
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Nothing against IE8 but some of you may not realize that when many of us got on line there was no Internet Explorer so many of us used Netscape Navigator. I have stayed with the Netscape family which after many different browser names became SeaMonkey. It's not as popular as it's cousin Firefox but still has a loyal following.
For me, IE is there for Windows Update and that's all.
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I've used IE exclusively since I first got on line in 1999. IE4 was the norm then and the browser has improved with every successive release. I have tried all of the others and found them all lacking in many various respects. I tried Netscape back in '99 and absolutely hated it. It wouldn't display a good portion of the web correctly. I really don't care what "takes the lead" in Germany. Their government's policies towards the Internet are ludicrous to say the least.
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I've used IE exclusively since I first got on line in 1999. IE4 was the norm then and the browser has improved with every successive release. I have tried all of the others and found them all lacking in many various respects. I tried Netscape back in '99 and absolutely hated it. It wouldn't display a good portion of the web correctly. I really don't care what "takes the lead" in Germany. Their government's policies towards the Internet are ludicrous to say the least.
IE is not even standard-compliant. It renders pages weirdly. It's not considered a normal browser by most sane people. Compare the test results!
(http://imm.io/media/13/13Oc.png)
(http://imm.io/media/13/13Ob.png)
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so whoever deleted my post here go ahead and explain me WHY.
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Cause your rude comment has nothing to do with the topic and doesn't conform to forum rules.
(And I'm not saying it doesn't apply to other posts as well, but this one had absolutely no informational value.)
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I've used IE exclusively since I first got on line in 1999. IE4 was the norm then and the browser has improved with every successive release. I have tried all of the others and found them all lacking in many various respects. I tried Netscape back in '99 and absolutely hated it. It wouldn't display a good portion of the web correctly. I really don't care what "takes the lead" in Germany. Their government's policies towards the Internet are ludicrous to say the least.
Well said 8)
When I was working I was introduced to the Internet through having to support IBM's OS/2 Warp Communication Manager for Canada.
I sure learned a lot about browsers and their capabilities.
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I've used IE exclusively since I first got on line in 1999. IE4 was the norm then and the browser has improved with every successive release. I have tried all of the others and found them all lacking in many various respects. I tried Netscape back in '99 and absolutely hated it. It wouldn't display a good portion of the web correctly. I really don't care what "takes the lead" in Germany. Their government's policies towards the Internet are ludicrous to say the least.
IE is not even standard-compliant. It renders pages weirdly. It's not considered a normal browser by most sane people. Compare the test results!
Sorry but IE IS compliant with all the actual things that are actually standards. The Acid 3 tests are ludicrous because those are not standards but things that some self important people want to make standards and I couldn't care less about them. Standards are things widely accepted, used and acknowledged. Acid 3 and HTML5 are not standards, they are wishes. They may become standard in the future but they aren't now. IE is the standard right now and in my opinion, the only reason for other browsers to even exist is to give people choices. They certainly aren't any better at doing the job of surfing the Internet in it's present state.
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I've used IE exclusively since I first got on line in 1999. IE4 was the norm then and the browser has improved with every successive release. I have tried all of the others and found them all lacking in many various respects. I tried Netscape back in '99 and absolutely hated it. It wouldn't display a good portion of the web correctly. I really don't care what "takes the lead" in Germany. Their government's policies towards the Internet are ludicrous to say the least.
IE is not even standard-compliant. It renders pages weirdly. It's not considered a normal browser by most sane people. Compare the test results!
(http://imm.io/media/13/13Oc.png)
(http://imm.io/media/13/13Ob.png)
Sorry but IE IS compliant with all the actual things that are actually standards. The Acid 3 tests are ludicrous because those are not standrads but things that some self important people want to make standards and I couldn't care less about them. Standards are things widely accepted, used and acknowledged. Acid 3 and HTML5 are not standards, they are wishes. They may become standard in the future but they aren't now. IE is the standard right now and in my opinion, the only reason for other browsers to even exist is to give people choices. They certainly aren't any better at doing the job of surfing the Internet in it's present state.
HTML5 is not standard, nor is CSS3. I agree on that - however, there are W3C standards that SHOULD be followed.
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IE lacks one of the best(and maybe THE best) security addons nowadays: NoScript. Thats it.
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let's wait for the beta of IE9 that should be out in a bit less than a month now, might be interesting. This said Internet Explorer has been a huge and bad joke, a really bad joke so far, and praising it make you become part of that joke, period. IE8 became dominant in terms of market share, and just because it was/is bundled with Windows, explaining why web sites had to be compliant during years. This time is over, any other browser does a better job at anything than Internet Explorer, that's not too difficult hey.
But some prefer to adopt the following attitude, and as far as I'm concerned, they're free to do so ;D
(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:j_An6jhjhCoVUM:http://www.financialsense.com/editorials/reality/2004/images/1002/monkey3.jpg&t=1)
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@Logos:
Good that you think this way. What browser are you on, btw? Definetly not IE (http://kolobok.us/smiles/standart/bad.gif) (http://kolobok.us/smiles/standart/grin.gif)
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I could just as well use this image to describe all the people who listen to self appointed gurus who tell them they have to use a different browser than IE.
(http://i325.photobucket.com/albums/k370/Dch48/Sheep.jpg)
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I could just as well use this image to describe all the people who listen to self appointed gurus who tell them they have to use a different browser than IE.
(http://i325.photobucket.com/albums/k370/Dch48/Sheep.jpg)
This is more like IE users ;)
(http://www.abadiadigital.com/imagenes/firefox-internet-explorer.jpg)
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All Browsers are tools to be used.
We all have our favorites and none of them are perfect.
Simple rule is to use the browser best suited for the job at hand.
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I could just as well use this image to describe all the people who listen to self appointed gurus who tell them they have to use a different browser than IE.
(http://i325.photobucket.com/albums/k370/Dch48/Sheep.jpg)
More like Lemmings.
All Browsers are tools to be used.
We all have our favorites and none of them are perfect.
Simple rule is to use the browser best suited for the job at hand.
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IMO Opera is closest to perfect, I only need IE for logmein.
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IMO Opera is closest to perfect, I only need IE for logmein.
I always wait for the Fat Lady to sing in the Opera. ;)
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IMO Opera is closest to perfect, I only need IE for logmein.
Why would you need IE for logmein? For me, logmein offers the option of either using a browser plugin or using Java. Performance is somewhat worse when using the java version but I try to avoid plugins.