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Other => General Topics => Topic started by: derry on July 24, 2010, 06:54:14 AM
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MSE is looking good in version 2.0 faster scanner and the cleaning only takes 2 secs now. see for your self.
http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/22640/screenshot-tour-microsoft-security-essentials-2.0-beta/
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Already got it, So far it's working great.
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Thanks for the update but I still like my avast! 5 better and it's not in beta. ;D
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Using two resident AVs including MSE isn't recommended (conflict is something you will always have to be ready for) and when one of them is a Beta I would say that is even more so.
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It's good to hear M$ is improving MSE. :)
I have 7 64bit and would like to use 64bit av & fw.
I've tried MSE 64bit, but it was heavier than avast! 5.
I will be watching for MSE 2 to go out of beta and
will try it.
I wish there was a 64bit version of ZA. Yes, I know ZA
works on 64bit & I'm using it. So, when I try MSE 2, I'll use 7FWC (http://majorgeeks.com/Windows_7_Firewall_Control_d5578.html).
I especially wish for a 64bit version of avast! 5.
I'd like to go all the way with 64bit. ;D
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I gave it a shot earlier today (already uninstalled because I don't need it). Main interesting point for this new version is the implementation of a script "watcher" that works exclusively with Internet Explorer. It's able to block a web page running a "bad" script and prompt you to allow or deny (that's the network protection setting on my screen shot).
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Hi all...
Has the icon (either the shortcut on the desktop or toolbar icon) or program GUI changed at all?
Regards...
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Hey ardvark, Nope, no change in either.
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Thanks for the update but I still like my avast! 5 better and it's not in beta. ;D
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Thanks, I just downloaded it. It dose seem to be better at speed, and performance. :)
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Thanks, I just downloaded it. It dose seem to be better at speed, and performance. :)
Yep, Much better. It's also passed all the malware tests I've thrown at it so far.
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It's really getting better When MSE gets released it's suppose to get lighter on RAM it's still in beta and is pretty solid. Avast and MSE are still the top one's as for avira it went down hill..
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Hey ardvark, Nope, no change in either.
Hi Marc...
Thank you for letting me know, hope everything is going well for you! :)
@derry: Hi, do you mean in terms of detection and removal?
Regards...
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MSE is cool, i just hate it's real-time archive scanning. It's useless and totally degrades performance as well as increases resources usage.
Updater is a bit crappy with very long update interval checks but still. If they could only fix this, then i'd have a tough choice between avast! and MSE. But till then, avast! is just way better.
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Updater is a bit crappy with very long update interval checks but still. If they could only fix this, then i'd have a tough choice between avast! and MSE. But till then, avast! is just way better.
Yeah, That's something I wish they would fix also. Until then, there's always this.
http://www.downloadsquad.com/2009/10/26/how-to-make-microsoft-security-essentials-check-for-updates-more/
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Yes, i know that. But there is no way of disabling on-access archive scanning.
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funny how nobody feels the need to discuss the major difference with the previous version, mentioned in my last post in this thread but never mind guys ::)
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I said I was going to wait until MSE 2 was out of beta,
but went ahead and installed it along with the newest version
of Windows Firewall Control.
MSE 2 beta is lighter than MSE 1 and updates good so far.
AFAIK, there still isn't no webshield. :'(
I like it, but I like avast! 5 better. :)
Avast! team, how about a 64bit avast! 5 ???
The only thing different I noticed about W7FC 3.5.1.131
is the "scream" is toned down. ;D
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AFAIK, there still isn't no webshield
no, but there's something else...look harder ::)
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rdmaloyjr MSE does not need a web shield because its already their. Internet explorer 8 with MSE will blocks malicious sites and downloads. Internet explorer smart screen will block things MSE cant. If you use MSE and IE8 it will block most of the things that are out their. I went on malwaredomainlist with MSE and IE8 they 2 worked really great it missed 2 out of 40 things.
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rdmaloyjr MSE does not need a web shield because its already their. Internet explorer 8 with MSE will blocks malicious sites and downloads. Internet explorer smart screen will block things MSE cant. If you use MSE and IE8 it will block most of the things that are out their. I went on malwaredomainlist with MSE and IE8 the 2 worked really great it missed 2 out of 40 things.
okay if you really tested that that's good news, and thanks for posting ;)
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rdmaloyjr MSE does not need a web shield because its already their. Internet explorer 8 with MSE will blocks malicious sites and downloads. Internet explorer smart screen will block things MSE cant. If you use MSE and IE8 it will block most of the things that are out their. I went on malwaredomainlist with MSE and IE8 they 2 worked really great it missed 2 out of 40 things.
Who uses IE ::) ;D ;D ;D
I surf the Internet with Opera. :)
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Hi Logos,
The difference with the script watcher has various implications, and it is striking that here there are not that many that comment on that particular striking difference, well apart from me and you and rdmalloy no-one realized it in this thread. Maybe because they live in an another world, they do not experience the IE ads on tele like we have in Europe where IE is pinching the Fx float to try to ridicule the Mozilla browser and get back some of their lost browser territory, and how the MS Indians are back on the same monopoly-road again as they have been before - positioning their browser versus third party browsers, because they sure feel the heat now of Fx and GoogleChrome. The days that users thought blue e was identical with surfing the Internet are slowly coming to and end, and it is funny that MS always come up with the same old answers...
polonus
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thanks for posting Polonus, really appreciated ;) yep MS must have felt they had to do something...losing more and more market share in Europe (with IE), while the masses are being told by their own governments how insecure Internet Explorer is, and are advised to switch to Firefox...there's something goin' on...seeing MS introduce a script blocker is quite an event ;D
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so that everyone can see it ;D >>> screen shot (from the help files of 2.0 beta)
and...unrelated:
Yes, i know that. But there is no way of disabling on-access archive scanning.
wrong, there's a section to exclude any type of file for both on demand and on access scans.
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Hi Logos,
And there is still a lot to be done, analyzed a particular media website and found fieldset. There was a fieldset bug in IE7 and IE8 that was not there in good old IE6, that is called a regression hole, isn't it, see it described and the POC here:
http://www.quirksmode.org/bugreports/archives/2007/08/MSIE7_fieldset_bug.html
Is it still there? Unfortunately, this dialog, the "3rd trickiest" of the (only 3) available JavaScript dialogs in the web browser, is horribly broken... in fact, it hasn't even been patched once since its original design, made available in 1995! (That's 15 years ago for those without calculators!)
It was still there in May 2010: http://drupal.org/user/645062 see: http://drupal.org/node/311203
There is a solution for it here: http://www.mattheerema.com/web-design/2006/04/getting-fieldset-backgrounds-and-legends-to-behave-in-ie/
polonus
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Hi malware fighters,
And then there is this issue: http://threatpost.com/en_us/blogs/rise-rogue-av-testers-070910
and they got a lot of critique: http://nsslabs.com/browser-security
The SmartScreen Filter in IE8. Microsoft's browser got a unique URL blocking score of 89% and an overal protection score of 85%. "Internet Explorer 8 is by far the best browser where protection against csocial engineering malware is concerned." The 30% increase in suspicious and malicious websites detectedshows it has a "superior feedback mechanism". Other browsers in the test could hardly block more URL's after five days....
Now what about Fx with NoScript installed and browsers with the avast shields active?
polonus
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The SmartScreen Filter in IE8. Microsoft's browser got a unique URL blocking score of 89% and an overal protection score of 85%. "Internet Explorer 8 is by far the best browser where protection against csocial engineering malware is concerned." The 30% increase in suspicious and malicious websites detectedshows it has a "superior feedback mechanism". Other browsers in the test could hardly block more URL's after five days....
Its Firefox believers that believe it is the best. ::)
How many Firefox fixes have been issued lately ???
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can you name the ten last flaws in FF (for the last month)?
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Hi malware fighters,
And then there is this issue: http://threatpost.com/en_us/blogs/rise-rogue-av-testers-070910
and they got a lot of critique: http://nsslabs.com/browser-security
The SmartScreen Filter in IE8. Microsoft's browser got a unique URL blocking score of 89% and an overal protection score of 85%. "Internet Explorer 8 is by far the best browser where protection against csocial engineering malware is concerned." The 30% increase in suspicious and malicious websites detectedshows it has a "superior feedback mechanism". Other browsers in the test could hardly block more URL's after five days....
Now what about Fx with NoScript installed and browsers with the avast shields active?
polonus
That would be cheating. The test was of browsers, not addons and security products.
It's also interesting to see that Opera fails horribly.
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can you name the ten last flaws in FF (for the last month)?
Mozilla patches 16 security bugs in Firefox 3.6
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9179504/Mozilla_patches_16_security_bugs_in_Firefox_3.6
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can you name the ten last flaws in FF (for the last month)?
There was a huge fix package issued very recently with a lot more than 10.
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can you name the ten last flaws in FF (for the last month)?
There was a huge fix package issued very recently with a lot more than 10.
There are those that can count in decimal and know that 10 is more than 2 ;)
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I see our Internet Explorer warriors are back on track ;D ...yeah, just two so far, and counting ? ;D ...you see guys, the problem with Firefox is that most security flaws that are found (in labs) rarely (or never) make it to the desktop, when at the opposite most of the Internet crap will land on your systems through...Internet Explorer (I hate swearing sorry, and I always got the feeling to swear when I say or write...I-N-T-E-R-N-E-T E-X-P-L-O-R-E-R... hope the forum software won't censor that ;D ). And on a side note Yokenny, you know what you can do with your sarcasms, as usual >>>, yes, there ;)
Internet Explorer has been - oh yes, indirectly, as the ultimate malware vector - contaminating tens of millions of computers world wide since it exists. Internet Explorer must be patched continuously, some of it is considered unpatchable (no solution, dixit Secunia). Let the carnage continue, and enjoy ::)
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Until IE is totally separated from the OS integration, e.g. just a browser, then there will always be security issues as effectively if you exploit the browser you have exploited the OS. That is my reason for not using it as my primary browser.
If only I could get rid of it completely I would, but you can't because of its OS integration, which forces you to keep IE up to date even though you don't use it, to avoid OS exploits via the backdoor.
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IE8 was well behind a bunch of 3rd party applications in the last year in the numbers of vulnerablities found. It no longer can be the whipping boy and really never should have been. I've even seen a few professionals in the field saying that IE9 will probably be the browser they recommend to their customers for security reasons.
If you didn't know, the program with the most vulnerabilities was, once again, Firefox. The vendor with the most overall problems in their software was Apple.
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Hi Logos,
To turn the tables again will take a lot of propaganda and making somehow you cannot go around the built-in software browser. It is always funny to see that where critique on IE is concerned some mainly US users almost react as if you attacked their home-base. One must admit that building their browser deep, deep into the OS brought Windows an important leap-start against competitive third party software browsers. It was a clever trick and brought competitor Netscape to its knees. Their slower browser got already half way up from boot time while the other browser was not even launched from the desktop. Google independent process per tab browsing was the answer to that trick, and also was cleverly anticipated and off course now imitated by the Mozilla browser. The as per default installation also brought that the masses thought that IE was the only way they knew to go unto the web, the EU regulations brought another landscape since their regulations.
After leaning back for a long, long time, after numerous mishaps like with the ActiveX disaster, still haunting us with malware, finally MS realized that if they did not invest and improve their IE it would endanger their revenue streams and they woke up with IE8 and are even improving further with IE9,
Alas there has not been any monopoly since the Roman Empire that lived forever and it seems Google for one could come as a serious threat to the Windows mono-culture.
And I really don't know if IE would have NoScript, RequestPolicy and AdBlock+ extensions for it, I would consider going back to IE. For now the blue e browser is only for updates and upgrades because that is vital for the security of the OS. But I would not come running to defend any browser....
And about the many, many bugs in Mozilla, well I have been a Fx test-pilot for some time and they have a large developer base to file bugs, loads of them are made public and are quickly patched, also cause regressional problems, that has to be dealt with,
and open source and propriety source cannot be compared, as apples are no pears and both do not taste like bananas...
polonus
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For now the blue e browser is only for updates and upgrades because that is vital for the security of the OS.
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There's nothing more to do with it... ;)
Here IE only gets the rights it needs to update, that's it. Everything else is blocked..!
asyn
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Here, I use all the major browsers:
IE, Firefox, Chrome and, Opera.
They all have some features not available in one or all of the others.
Browsers are a tool nothing more. They aren't something to be worshiped or whipped.
I was also always of the impression that it was the folks who wrote the malware that where
responsible for making the internet unsafe. Without them, there wouldn't be any exploits.
But, what do I know, I'm from the old school. ;D
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Hi bob3160,
Right there are malcreants, they did it in the past to be better than others (in the past) and now they do it for Cybercriminals for illegal revenue, but there are always two sides of the coin, there is the cat and there is the bacon. If you have a lot of delicious bacon ready there you proverbially bind the cat to the bacon, you might be familiar with that good old proverb?. Well some developers make their software much easier exploitable as other developers. To say all browsers are browsers and it is only the evil ones to blame that try out "da evil code" against it, is just telling the story from one point of view, in that case the poor developers of browsers are left off the hook, for what can they do? ... evil hackers you know. What a lame excuse for "the inventor" of DirectX in Internet Explorer. He should have you for boss, bob, "evil hackers, boss, not much we can do here...". ;D "Sure, my friend, browsers are browsers you know",
polonus
P.S. And to try the exploitable is always goin' on: http://www.mikeonads.com/2008/07/13/using-your-browser-url-history-estimate-gender/
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I was also always of the impression that it was the folks who wrote the malware that where
responsible for making the internet unsafe. Without them, there wouldn't be any exploits.
Bob the point here is that there's a browser integrated into our operating system that's an open door for these guys... there's always been guys like that, in real life before the Internet, and there will always be guys like that.
Weren't we talking about MSE 2 beta? ...not blaming anyone, I've been off topic too ;)
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Hi Logos,
Well you spotted that specific trait of that software and the close relationship to the embedded MS browser, that became a main topic of discussion in this thread because it is an essential factor and then you cannot say we are off-topic, we were sort of "forced to go that way" by the nature of this software itself. So that means that MS still will use the deeply embedded function of their browser and interrelation to the OS to their full monopolistic benefit, so one could say in this respect security did not come at the first place - there is much more exposed attack surface that way, no one can deny that, no one. Well we here all know that letting users have the false impression that using their software out of the box is secure is still hunting us and all inexperienced users until this day. Who of the average users know about surfing with normal user rights, who has all their third party software fully updated and patched? I think that will create more negative impact security wise than all the malcreants together can launch, because that gives the latter the platform to abuse and go on exploiting. Yes, folks, 3.6 million zeus bot ridden machines only in the U.S.A. alone is the proof of that!
polonus
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Well I do not run my machines with limited user rights either. I want to be able to do what needs to be done without having to keep changing settings back and forth. There are people who know about all these things that "experts" recommend but choose not to do them if they decrease usability and/or enjoyment of their machines. I also do not much care about open source. I think the only app I use that is open source is 7-Zip. To me the words Open Source attached to an application are the same as a caution flag.
I also feel that the integration of IE into Windows has been far more of a boon to the computer world than a problem. It has made software developers jobs much easier when programming net access and updating mechanisms for their applications. They just use the settings of IE and the user does not have to set anything up. Sure the pond scum have taken advantage of this like they do everything but that's no reason to condemn IE or MS any more than any other thing that gets hacked into.
As far as the new MSE goes, it looks promising but I just recently dumped the current version on the Vista machine because of problems upgrading it and then getting updated defs afterwards. Until they fix those problems and get a better and more frequent updating mechanism, I will not try it again. MSE is the only MS application that I can think of that has not worked flawlessly for me. Some others I don't use because I don't need them or like them but they always work.
With 2.0 it seems to me that they are trying to accomplish two things besides improving the program itself. One is to encourage people to use IE and the other is to make people think harder about giving up XP and moving to W7.
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Logos,
I believe in Europe you now have the right not to have IE integrated in your OS ???
So I guess that excuse will soon not hold any water. :)
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Logos,
I believe in Europe you now have the right not to have IE integrated in your OS ???
So I guess that excuse will soon not hold any water. :)
you don't get rid of IE in Europe either, it's always installed. Just the GUI isn't there. And I use a US version so... In Seven "US" you can "uninstall" IE...sort of; again it's just the GUI that disappears, the whole IE code is still there and active, used by many programs. IE is in Windows, any version ;)
There's absolutely no difference between Seven/US and Seven/EU, concerning IE.
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I said I was going to wait until MSE 2 was out of beta,
but went ahead and installed it along with the newest version
of Windows Firewall Control.
MSE 2 beta is lighter than MSE 1 and updates good so far.
AFAIK, there still isn't no webshield. :'(
I like it, but I like avast! 5 better. :)
Avast! team, how about a 64bit avast! 5 ???
The only thing different I noticed about W7FC 3.5.1.131
is the "scream" is toned down. ;D
I'm back from my trial of MSE 2.
MSE 2 beta updates a little bit longer after boot up than avast! 5,
that's good cause MSE 1 didn't. On the con, MSE 2 beta takes
longer after boot up before my computer is usable.
I still don't care for W7FC, I like ZA better.
BTW, yesterday I updated ZA Pro to ZoneAlarm Pro 9.3.014.000. 8) 8) 8)
ZoneAlarm Pro 9.3.014.000 is much lighter than the previous version, really nice. 8)