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Google engineers have proposed changes to the open-source Chromium browser that will break content-blocking extensions, including various ad blockers. Adblock Plus will most likely not be affected, though similar third-party plugins will, for reasons we will explain. The drafted changes will also limit the capabilities

A decent adblocker is a must to block potential malicious and malicious ads. If Google starts to break ad-blockers or only allow adblockers that let through their preferred ads, then the moment could come users start to steer away.

Read: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/01/22/google_chrome_browser_ad_content_block_change/

Google and Alphabeth looking more and more like The Borg, resistence is futile. Do we let it happen?

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Re: Will this mean steering away from Google Chrome in the future?
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2019, 10:56:49 PM »
uBlock Origin will just have to adapt to the new format. Some ad blockers already have. :)
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Re: Will this mean steering away from Google Chrome in the future?
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2019, 11:29:03 PM »
uBlock Origin will just have to adapt to the new format. Some ad blockers already have. :)

If it was only adapting to the new format there are other limitations when using that which weren't a factor before, so I think you need to read the whole article in detail.

There has been another post relating to this https://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=52252.msg1491542#msg1491542 and a link to another article, which I feel is better than the theregister.co.uk article.
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Re: Will this mean steering away from Google Chrome in the future?
« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2019, 12:40:02 AM »
I hope there will be some chromium forks that allow such extensions still, like Avast Security Browser and also Brave 1.0.
Else hoping privoxy extension will still function and is self-learning.
I think our DavidR will still use Firefox with adblocker. Why shouldn't he?

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P.S. How this would break uBlock and uMatrix: https://gizmodo.com/googles-plan-to-limit-ad-blocker-performance-on-chrome-1831987583    This could eventually lead to several anti-trust complaints, as Ghostery for instance has proclaimed.

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Re: Will this mean steering away from Google Chrome in the future?
« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2019, 02:13:05 AM »
I will continue to use firefox as it suits my usage of a browser and I use uBlock and uMatrix add-ons which work across different versions of Firefox.

I have long kept away from Google products where I can (some areas are damn hard to avoid) because of this kind of power and potential misuse of that power.
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Re: Will this mean steering away from Google Chrome in the future?
« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2019, 02:57:05 PM »
uBlock Origin will just have to adapt to the new format

That won't happen according to Raymond Hill, uBO's developer (See:  https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=896897&desc=2#c23).  The limitations and restrictions of the declarativeNetRequest API would make uBO (and uMatrix) next to useless.

Some ad blockers already have. :)

None have: Manifest V3 is not even implemented yet and is still at the draft stage (See:  https://docs.google.com/document/d/1nPu6Wy4LWR66EFLeYInl3NzzhHzc-qnk4w4PX-0XMw8/edit#).


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Re: Will this mean steering away from Google Chrome in the future?
« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2019, 03:01:37 PM »
From my understanding, AdBlock Plus is already compliant.
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Re: Will this mean steering away from Google Chrome in the future?
« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2019, 03:10:43 PM »
From my understanding, AdBlock Plus is already compliant.

You are right.  But it was not adapted to be compliant.

It is "compliant" insofar as the way it currently works (which is different from uBO) would not be affected by the Manifest V3 change (if implemented).
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Re: Will this mean steering away from Google Chrome in the future?
« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2019, 04:24:02 PM »
From my understanding, AdBlock Plus is already compliant.

I abandoned the AdBlock Plus add-on some time ago.

I can't recall exactly what it was, I think it pulled some stunts that reduced its effectiveness and could well be considered getting in bed with some of the big ad companies/servers.
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Re: Will this mean steering away from Google Chrome in the future?
« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2019, 06:11:34 PM »

Google and Alphabeth looking more and more like The Borg, resistence is futile. Do we let it happen?


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Re: Will this mean steering away from Google Chrome in the future?
« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2019, 07:01:29 PM »
Hi =Snake=,

You sure will have an enhanced security problem with the new transfer via Manifest3 to the new chromium
declarativeNetRequest API.

There is no two ways about it and not only for blocking extensions the going will get narrow, or there won't be any.
Blocker extention-developers protest. 50.000 Euro fine for Google means only 4 days revenue less.
Peanuts really, and in such a way they rule our globe, a too big to fail Big Tech Giant.

With a max listing this new API gives no way to further big (phishing) blocklist (often over 70.0000 blocked),
so enhanced PHISHING threats galore. Malcreants may rejoice.

The new API only offers either the possibilities to block or redirect, nothing in between to hamper priviliged Google ad-tracking boffins. And, oh irony, all this presented to all of us in the name of enhanced privacy and security. (ROTFL).

That this comes to reside inside Google chrome, OK, you may choose for that. Had to be expected, but not to all variants of the  chromium browser code? Yes, when Firefox uses the same developer API on its google chromium engines. Our loss.

Does it stay on the drawing board or will we all suffer the consequences of more Google shaping their own infrastructure?
When it gets more and more dfficult just to enjoy Google's benefits and circumvent Google's burdens.
It is a cat and mouse play like for Duval's /e/ platform for propriety Android phones.

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Re: Will this mean steering away from Google Chrome in the future?
« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2019, 07:51:18 PM »
Hi pol,

thanks for your answer. But I forgot to write, that I never used 'Google chrome'.

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Re: Will this mean steering away from Google Chrome in the future?
« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2019, 01:02:11 PM »
Update: Adblock Plus would also be affected by the proposed Chrome Manifest V3 changes.

See: https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/forum/#!msg/chromium-extensions/veJy9uAwS00/CxEIxy_OGgAJ

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Re: Will this mean steering away from Google Chrome in the future?
« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2019, 03:24:57 PM »
What to think about a proggie like Adguard.
They also cried wolf about the proposed API changes.

When will a next anti-trust case be?

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Re: Will this mean steering away from Google Chrome in the future?
« Reply #14 on: January 25, 2019, 03:41:22 PM »
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What to think about a proggie like Adguard.

Hi pol.

Adguard is a good product.  One of their guys (lead dev?) worked closely with Gorhill to agree a common syntax for filters that can be used in both Adguard and uBO.

I have several of them added to my uBO.