America spammers haven - Round III

[polonus]

Hi malware fighters,

Read about this court verdict here:
http://management.silicon.com/government/0,39024677,39162462,00.htm


polonus

[CharleyO]

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The best thing to happen here is for even more people to blacklist e360insight by whatever means each person has available ... spam filter, etc.


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[polonus]

Hi CharleyO,

That is also an aspect of America I like, that who has "the deepest pockets" is not always the winner, but the smarter guy gets the worm sometimes.

polonus

[FreewheelinFrank]

That's definitely an aspect of America that I like: I don't live under its laws:

"Default judgments obtained in U.S. county, state or federal courts have no validity in the U.K. and cannot be enforced under the British legal system," Spamhaus said on its Web site. "As spamming is illegal in the U.K., an Illinois court ordering a British organization to stop blocking incoming Illinois spam in Britain goes contrary to U.K. law which orders all spammers to cease sending spam in the first place."

http://news.com.com/Spam+fighter+hit+with+11+million+judgment/2100-7350_3-6116009.html?tag=cd.top

Up yours! As I believe they say over there.

[polonus]

Hi FwF,

Well and that was exactly what got them off the hook. In the UK spamming is illegal.

That is why for instance now they like to propose an exclusion for "commercial" spamming (EU proposals).
And that is just to come to a point like in the States verdict to again arrive at the point "where money speaks", and that is the 'lingua franca' of this day and age,

yours faithfully,

polonus

[neal62]

I agree with what CharleyO  says about e360insight.  They should not be allowed to deliver their junk anywhere in the world where it's not legal to do so. Our U.S. laws don't mean diddly squat anywhere else and that's the way it should be. 

[FreewheelinFrank]

Another (slightly more provocative) quote from Spamhaus:

"Although meaningless for Spamhaus, which as a British organization not subject to Illinois court orders is listing Linhardt's company E360 Insight on its SBL spam blocklist as usual, the Illinois ruling shows that U.S. courts can be bamboozled by spammers with ease," it said.

http://www.betanews.com/article/Spamhaus_Wont_Pay_Alleged_Spammer/1158338611

[DavidR]

Spamhaus (SBL/XBL black lists) catches most of the spam in my Mailwasher's Origins of spam function. Long live spamhaus.

[polonus]

Hi DavidR,

Well to make this picture complete, let us also put here the other side of the story, as revaeled by the poor spammer: http://www.e360insight.com/case_history.html
Now we have a fairly balanced thread at least.

polonus

[..::ReVaN::..]

How do they say in those holywood movies?

Only in America ....     

[DavidR]

Well to make this picture complete, let us also put here the other side of the story, as revaeled by the poor spammer: http://www.e360insight.com/case_history.html
Now we have a fairly balanced thread at least.

I'm afraid I don't need to be concerned with any balance from a cash case history from e360 designed to support their 11 million dollar claim, they are hardly going to publish anything that might be damaging to their case.

As has been clearly stated this US court judgement holds no legal jurisdiction in the UK and if the want to take it to court in the UK then if they win, any enforcement would be legal.

[FreewheelinFrank]

Spamhaus Could Lose Domain Name

After thumbing its nose at a US court, UK spam fighting organization Spamhaus could lose its domain name. The action would come as a result of an expected order by a federal judge in Chicago that would order ICANN to suspend the group's rights to spamhaus.org.

http://www.betanews.com/article/Spamhaus_Could_Lose_Domain_Name/1160501590

[polonus]

Hi FwF,

Yes if you are presiding over the backbone of the Internet and who deals and take the domain names you can come to these situations. It is "money speaks" louder then your domainname is worth. Where bidyou.com is sure to win from moral.com is where you get these outcomes.

polonus

[FreewheelinFrank]

ICANN refuses to pull Spamhaus domain:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/10/12/icaan_spamhuas_dispute_latest/

[CharleyO]

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Hoorah for ICANN ... they did the right thing!   

Hopefully, Tucows will also do the right thing.


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