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Re: AVG 8.0 "The search for truth"
« Reply #30 on: May 15, 2008, 12:50:06 AM »


FYI: Web Shield *did* catch EICA.com.txt when Netscape 4.7 tried to display it.  Cool. :-)

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Re: AVG 8.0 "The search for truth"
« Reply #31 on: May 15, 2008, 04:30:16 AM »
Yes, it has from 4.8, even on Home edition different form some other *cough* free anti-virus application,
Go on, you can say it, Avira   ;D

Also on reflection, by using the word "hidden" in reference to the AVG 7.5 scanner being inside the Windows kernel in my earlier post, I did not mean to imply that there was anything wrong or deceitful on the part of AVG in constructing the program in this way. My intention was to highlight that what was once hidden and is now revealed is creating a bigger-than-appropriate fuss with disgruntled AVG users.
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Re: AVG 8.0 "The search for truth"
« Reply #32 on: May 15, 2008, 05:30:20 PM »
I can't see why you recommend avast but advocate not using the web shield yet you haven't tried it ???

The web shield scan http traffic using a localhost proxy so can intercept malware at source before it gets on to your system, prevention is much better than cure.

Anyone have any idea why "Web Shield disabled / SpyBot Immunize on" blocks some sites like iwon.com, but "SpyBot Immunize off / Web Shield Enabled" doesn't have any problem?  Loads a couple Cookies that I assumed would be Tracking Cookies, but neither SpyBot nor AVG Anti-Spyware 7.5 gripe about them. :-/

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Re: AVG 8.0 "The search for truth"
« Reply #33 on: May 15, 2008, 05:40:52 PM »
Anyone have any idea why "Web Shield disabled / SpyBot Immunize on" blocks some sites like iwon.com, but "SpyBot Immunize off / Web Shield Enabled" doesn't have any problem?
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Yes I have an idea, the web shield isn't a blocker simple as that it scans http content. Unless you add a URL to the web shield URL Blocking it doesn't block, so no mystery it is the S&D Immunisation that is blocking.
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Re: AVG 8.0 "The search for truth"
« Reply #34 on: May 15, 2008, 06:47:02 PM »
Anyone have any idea why "Web Shield disabled / SpyBot Immunize on" blocks some sites like iwon.com, but "SpyBot Immunize off / Web Shield Enabled" doesn't have any problem?
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Yes I have an idea, the web shield isn't a blocker simple as that it scans http content. Unless you add a URL to the web shield URL Blocking it doesn't block, so no mystery it is the S&D Immunisation that is blocking.

As I more-or-less suspected.  Thanks.  One friend has a wife (not mine thankfully this time) who loves "get rich quick" sites.  Whenever she convinces him to turn off SpyBot Immunize, I get the job of cleaning up the Spyware.  Did you, or someone else, say SpyBot Immunize didn't play well with Web Shield?

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Re: AVG 8.0 "The search for truth"
« Reply #35 on: May 15, 2008, 07:31:53 PM »
I certainly didn't, there is zero interaction between S&D's immunisation and web shield.
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Re: AVG 8.0 "The search for truth"
« Reply #36 on: May 15, 2008, 07:54:35 PM »
I certainly didn't, there is zero interaction between S&D's immunisation and web shield.

Ok.  I found the quote from Rumpelstiltskin way back on page 1.

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On the computer SpywareBlaster is installed, which works similarly to Spybot immunize function, without any conflict with Web Shield.  I don't see any reason for turning off Web Shield.

Not so, you say?  I can let him use both?

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Re: AVG 8.0 "The search for truth"
« Reply #37 on: May 15, 2008, 08:00:46 PM »
The quote doesn't say what you are implying a conflict between the S&D and web shield. it states "without" any conflict with Web Shield in your quoted text and "I don't see any reason for turning off Web Shield." in the same quote.

So there is no reason to disable either web shield or S&D's immunize function there is no interaction between them so no conflict.
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Re: AVG 8.0 "The search for truth"
« Reply #38 on: May 15, 2008, 09:09:51 PM »
The quote doesn't say what you are implying a conflict between the S&D and web shield. it states "without" any conflict with Web Shield in your quoted text and "I don't see any reason for turning off Web Shield." in the same quote.

So there is no reason to disable either web shield or S&D's immunize function there is no interaction between them so no conflict.

Yeah.  Ain't English wonderful?  I guess I read that quote as "works similarly to Spybot immunize function, without any of the conflict with Web Shield. ".

Thanks for making it clear.

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Re: AVG 8.0 "The search for truth"
« Reply #39 on: May 15, 2008, 09:21:48 PM »
You're welcome.
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Re: AVG 8.0 "The search for truth"
« Reply #40 on: May 16, 2008, 02:46:07 PM »
Bad movement from AVG  :P

I generally does not post that long... but this one deserves reading for the ones which is thinking of moving from AVG to avast.

I wanted to discuss two things:

1) Why does he argue that avast has a tad less protection?
2) Why does he say that avast in resource hungry?


AVG Version 8 Free Released - quoted from Gizmo's Newsletter

In late February AVG Technologies announced AVG V8, the latest incarnation of their popular anti-virus scanner. Version 8 includes fully integrated spyware protection, rootkit protection and web link checking of search engine results. It is yet another example of a former anti-virus scanner transforming into an anti-malware scanner, a trend I noted in last month's editorial column.

On April 24 the free version of AVG V8 was released, and was promptly met with howls of derision. The free version excluded the rootkit scanner, active protection against hostile websites and a number of the other goodies added to the commercial V8 product. It also was proving to be very buggy.

Worse still, AVG announced that they would discontinue (at the end of May) the virus updates for the current V7.5 free version as well as their free anti-spyware and rootkit detection products.

I can fully understand user's disappointment with these announcements, but this is a perfectly normal commercial decision. AVG is, after all, a commercial organization, not a charity.

Their move does, however, present users of AVG's free software with a problem. Before the release of the V8, many AVG users employed an excellent security setup that combined the free version of AVG AV 7.5 with AVG's free anti-spyware scanner. With both these products being phased out, users are faced with a dilemma.

There are a couple of options:

Based on the evidence available as of today, I think the best route for free software users who want maximum protection is to switch to the free Avira AV [3] scanner and optionally, bolster this with the free Spyware Terminator program [4] or, less desirably, Windows Defender [5].

I say this because the free Avira product includes rootkit protection, while the free AVG does not. It is also more stable. Furthermore, Avira has better overall protection than AVG. Check out the AV Comparatives results [6] and you will see what I mean.

On the downside, Avira has limited active email protection, will nag you more than AVG free and the interface is somewhat more crude. But the overall level of protection is excellent.

Another option which offers a tad less protection but greater convenience is to switch to the free Avast! scanner. The latest version of Avast! is a major improvement on what was already an impressive product. And the free version includes anti-spyware, anti-rootkit and email protection, so you don't need to use it in concert with another product.

On the downside Avast! is resource hungry. Subscriber Basil Irwin pointed out that "not counting pseudo-drivers, Avast! consumes around 70MB of memory compared to 8MB for AntiVir. I didn't do any formal testing of CPU consumption or timing of various common operations, but there was no doubt in my mind that Avast! noticeably slowed several common operations, like program loading and file copying."

For average users with modern PCs I suggest the low hassle Avast! Option, while higher risk users may be better off going with Avira.

You could, of course, just stick with AVG 8 Free, and bolster your defenses with other products. However, there have been too many V8 "bug" reports to suggest this is an attractive option at this point in time.

[1] http://www.grisoft.com/ww.90627
[2] http://free.grisoft.com/ww.download-avg-anti-spyware-and-anti-rootkit
[3] http://www.free-av.com/en/products/1/avira_antivir_personal__free_antivirus.html
[4] http://www.spywareterminator.com
[5] http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/spyware/software/default.mspx
[6] http://www.av-comparatives.org/seiten/ergebnisse_2008_02.php
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Re: AVG 8.0 "The search for truth"
« Reply #41 on: May 16, 2008, 03:57:14 PM »
I somehow doubt he has used avast for some time and certainly not 4.8 with the additional protection. Even with 4.7 it was better than AVG 7.5 and when I guess he is comparing avg 8.0 against avast 4.7.

With the additional modules of 8.0 you could perhaps see why Gismo might say that, but when the free versions lose that additional protection it is back to level pegging against avast 4.7 perhaps, but no where close when compared to 4.8.

Unfortunately Gismo doesn't say which version of avast he is talking about.
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Re: AVG 8.0 "The search for truth"
« Reply #42 on: May 16, 2008, 04:40:10 PM »
I somehow doubt he has used avast for some time and certainly not 4.8 with the additional protection. Even with 4.7 it was better than AVG 7.5 and when I guess he is comparing avg 8.0 against avast 4.7.

I think he's saying that avast! has "a tad less protection" than Avira. Avira has an excellent detection record but I don't think it can stop and quarantine malware that's running in protected memory like avast! (and AVG for that matter). Also, I'm straining my memory but I think that last time I compared, Avira "used" about 12 to 15 MB RAM and AVG 7.5 20MB.
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Re: AVG 8.0 "The search for truth"
« Reply #43 on: May 16, 2008, 06:19:11 PM »
But we all know how accurate the AVG 7.5 memory use is when it is hidden in the Kernel total.
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Re: AVG 8.0 "The search for truth"
« Reply #44 on: May 20, 2008, 01:11:07 PM »
i have used avg free edition 8.0 and its a memory hog!

the updates download so slow and sometimes it freezes!

so i try avast and its good!