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Other => General Topics => Topic started by: justin1278 on January 02, 2006, 05:43:16 AM
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Hello,
Windows Vista will supposedly be released this year. Who will upgrade to it and who will stay with there current version of Windows they already have (XP,2000,NT,98SE,98,95)? Also do you think it is worth upgrading to Vista? Why? Each member gets 1 vote each, but anyone can see the results even if they have not voted. I voted that I don't know because I don't know what advantages Vista will yet have over my copy of XP.
~justin1278
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I think it's a bit too early to think about Windows Vista at the moment. Some of us will probably wait a year or two to upgrade after it's release. :P
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Windows XP is a very good, stable operating system. XP was-is just a refinement of windows 2000 imho which at the time I thought was the ants pants. They are still finding and repairing holes is XP now and will continue to do so until it's use-by date expires like 98. After all many people still use and love 98 and 98 is all they really need. I guess the real question should be what do you really want or need in a operating system? I for one am pretty happy with XP especially it's stability and flexability. I'll wait and see what Long-Vista brings. New OS's are always exciting. If the hip pocket is in good condition $$$ I will seriously give Vista more consideration ;D
It appears a lot of people are very happy with XP looks like M$ finally got it almost right ;D ;D
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Hello,
Rumors have it that Vista will be released sometime in December of 2006. I will most likely stick with XP for a while after Vista is released but I am not sure. After it is out for 2-3 years I might buy the Vista upgrade pack to upgrade from XP to Vista instead of paying like $200.00 US, for the regular OS pack, when an upgrade is the same thing as long as you have some version of Windows.
~justin1278
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I don't know.
System requirements may be the crucial issue in deciding to upgrade or not.
Fedora / OpenSuse, probably i will use either one of those. They just keep getting better and better.
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I voted yes but i have to say that i will DUAL BOOT and why not?
Actually i'll have 3 operating systems:
Madriva linux,Win XP and Vista ;)
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As the same as with ReVaN, I have dual boot and, who knows... so, I've voted: I don't know.
Probably yes ;D
I guess the real question should be what do you really want or need in a operating system? I for one am pretty happy with XP especially it's stability and flexability.
Me too... but security is not as good as the other topics...
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Questions like this are in my humble opinion silly... of course you all will upgrade sooner or later. It's the only way this World goes... you have to keep up with the things around you.
Just remember all those silly stories about SP2 and how many people never even thought of upgrading to SP2. Silliest thing ever. Now, if anyone sees anyone not using SP2, first thing they advise him/her (especially in this forum) to upgrade to SP2 ASAP. ;)
Also, what's unbelievable silly... now everybody adores Windos XP all of a sudden. I still remember all those stories about how "difficult" to use is XP and other things... simply, there is no Windows operating system as stable as Windows XP is... not to mention how easy is to troubleshoot your hardware/software/drivers problems, how much networking is simplified, and numberless other improvements.
I am sure many will still be afraid of Vista as usual when something new comes out... but I ask why ? We all need and want to learn more, and no one should be afraid of something new. Just remember how those stupid primitive people used to burn "witches" whenever and wherever someone brought something new. You had to stay stupid, or at least pretend to be stupid to blend into the crowd and stay alive. We are not living in the age of inquisition any more, so anyone is free to make up his mind best he/she can.
To answer that question... sure I will go with Vista as soon as it's gold and out. I had a chance to play with Vista Pre-Beta 1 and Pre-Beta2... still many issues, but that's why it's not public beta, it's something for developers and it's something that's still in deep development. All I can say right now, is that it looks and behaves promising and I simply can not wait until it's out.
Cheers !
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...and I simply can not wait until it's out.
That makes 2 of us ;)
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Still running happy with Windows 3.1... NOT!
I will probably wait and see how many $-signs Mr. Gates will charge for his new OS. If it is a resonable price, I'll upgrade. Otherwise I will wait until I get a new computer with Vista on it in a few years time.
Until then, I'll stay with XP Pro and Suse.
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I will wait until I get a new computer with Vista on it in a few years time.
You've caught my mind 8)
Until then, I'll stay with XP Pro and Suse.
We're the same... SUSE rocks 8)
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Still running happy with Windows 3.1... NOT!
I will probably wait and see how many $-signs Mr. Gates will charge for his new OS. If it is a resonable price, I'll upgrade. Otherwise I will wait until I get a new computer with Vista on it in a few years time.
Until then, I'll stay with XP Pro and Suse.
There are some rumours that Vista will cost under $100 which of course is very reasonable price.
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Windows-Vista-What-Is-the-Right-Price-7689.shtml
Also interesting article about minimizing of reboots needed for example when you are installing something new or something like that...
http://www.windowsitpro.com/Article/ArticleID/48652/48652.html
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I too will wait for the final release and the reviews on Pros & Cons, what are the minimum specs, hardware, graphics, etc. It may well be that like XP many had to update their system hardware and software.
So for me it isn't simply a decision, will I upgrade to Vista if there are likely to be other costs involved, system, software, etc. then I will probably soldier on with XP Pro for some time, or as others have mentioned until I update/replace my existing system.
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I'll more or likely use Vista since it's aimed to be more secure and safe. :) XP might be the most stable Windows but it sure isn't that safe. It has more holes then a piece of swiss cheese. XP now has that nasty WMF exploit plus all the other viruses, spyware and malware and Vista is *suppose* to help stop that. As of now tho Linux is on my PC. :)
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Hello,
Although Vista is supposed to help stop that I have heard that you will still be required to use a Firewall, Antivirus, and an Antispyware program. I have also heard that Microsoft will pre package Windows Defender (Windows Antispyware) with Vista. Also XP is so far the safest OS Windows has released so far (not counting Vista because it hasn't been released yet). Also click on the link to see what hardware you must have to support Vista. http://www.microsoft.com/technet/windowsvista/evaluate/hardware/vistahardware.mspx
~justin1278
P.S. Thanks for all of your votes and comments so far.
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Have you people ever heard of "Nothing is perfect" ::) Windows Vista although might be just a upgrade for protection, the specs. for it to run are crazy and I could not believe it. But no matter now. I have 768MB of RAM which should be enough to try it out at least :-\
The funny thing here is that we will never see a perfect OS. The're just keep on coming out with more and more...
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Configuration assumptions for running Windows Vista are not accurate at all.. not even close... first thing, Micrososft still doesn't know will they run Vista with DirectX 9 or maybe even 10.
Besides, what is so strange with more powerful machine requirements ? We do not live in 1986 any more, of course we have to go with the flow. Everyone should be aware by now that you are not gonna be able to cope with new modern programs/applications/OSes on some old 386SX... of course we have to upgrade our machines from time to time. If someone is unable to do that because of financial situation, that's understandable, but in that case, again because of his/her financial situation he/she will not be able to buy Vista, so no point in crying anyway.
The only real new requirement will be more RAM and video card. It's not like anyone is asking us to buy a Cray to be able to run Vista. I just bought myself ATI graphic card (hardware support DirectX 9) under $70 CAD, and all those prices will go down even more... that's for sure. Vista works perfectly on my machine with that card installed and 1Gb DDRAM. All real time graphic effects, transparency, bloor, all animations, everything runs perfectly... so as you can see, no need for some turbo expensive GFX card to be able to run Vista. Of course if you are one of those crazy gamers, and you simply have to have a video card that costs around $600-$900 CAD, that's another story and not Vista's problem...
New technologies brings us more powerful things... more powerful things requires more power... simple as that.
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New applications in Windows Vista
Newcomers include Windows Defender, an anti-spyware tool that Microsoft will also make available for free to XP and 2003 users, DVD Maker HD, Windows Mail (which is really just the next version of Outlook Express), Windows Calendar, and Windows Backup, which might be the first truly good backup application to ever be included with Windows.
Source: http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/winvista_5270_02.asp
It seems that the latest beta version of vista is shaping up to be more than just an enhancement of XP
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I really liked this part:
Internet Explorer 7 improvements
In each release of Windows Vista, we get closer and closer to what the final version of Internet Explorer (IE) 7 is going to look like, and the closer we get to that eventual day, the more I like what I see. I've been using Mozilla Firefox as my default browser for a few years now, largely because it's more secure and offers so many more useful features than does IE 6. But IE 7 may sway me back the Microsoft camp, God help me. It's that good.
Understand that I'm discussing the Vista version of IE 7 here, which will offer one key advantage that IE 7 for Windows XP will not have. That is, IE 7 runs in Protected Mode in Windows Vista, shielding the OS from both the application itself and any malicious files it may inadvertently (or purposefully) download. This extra bit of protection may finally make IE safe to use, and when you consider the vast array of useful new features this product includes, it's kind of a no-brainer...
As well as this one:
Windows Firewall improvements
While the Windows Firewall included with Windows Vista build 5270 doesn't appear to have changed much at first glance, a lot has changed under the hood. The firewall now supports bidirectional filtering, and not just inbound filtering as before, which is obviously a major improvement. Microsoft has also enabled advanced security features such as the ability for corporations to manage IPsec (IP security) configurations. From an end user perspective, Windows Firewall acts much like the firewall in Windows One Care Live now, though you'll receive notifications when it blocks a program (which you can disable).
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IE7 to me seems good as so I've heard from my friends and the guys at work :). But all the Anti-Tools and such, I can't work with Microsoft on that. The're programs seem to not do as good as the ones in my sig. :-\ Anyways, I hope to get Vista in about a year or... so after it's release that is... ;D
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S.Z.Craftec ,
You're forgotting those people with laptops who can't upgrade their video cards. Many just contain generic Intel video cards which probably will not run vista - especially those using business laptops, which in part vista will primarily be for. They should find ways to reduce unneeded graphical enhancements - Mac computers have had beautiful designs for years now in comparison to microsoft but do not require that much power from a video card.
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Windows Vista WILL run on all graphic cards. Who says that you HAVE to enable all the eye candies?
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S.Z.Craftec ,
You're forgotting those people with laptops who can't upgrade their video cards. Many just contain generic Intel video cards which probably will not run vista - especially those using business laptops, which in part vista will primarily be for. They should find ways to reduce unneeded graphical enhancements - Mac computers have had beautiful designs for years now in comparison to microsoft but do not require that much power from a video card.
Of course, but what do you expect ? Vista will not work on some 386 or 486 of course, that's logical.
I have my Gateway M675 17" wide screen and Vista works as a charm. All I was saying is it will not work on older machines, and certainly I haven't forgot about notebook users.
I am not so sure latest OSX would work on some old MAC machine, simply because of the graphical engine. No one can tell me different... ok, maybe it would work, but for sure it wouldn't be as smooth as it supposed to be.
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Rejzor,
The graphics card they recommended for Windows Vista is fairly high quality when looking into business laptops.
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Windows Vista WILL run on all graphic cards. Who says that you HAVE to enable all the eye candies?
Exactly, good point. If you decide not to use bloor/transparency effects, you can run Vista almost on any machine.
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Rejzor,
The graphics card they recommended for Windows Vista is fairly high quality when looking into business laptops.
That is simply not true. Here are specs for my laptop and just take a look at GFX card:
http://support.gateway.com/s/Mobile/Gateway/M675/3501731sp75.shtml
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That is a borderline desktop replacement though. Examine real business laptops for example fujitsu:
http://store.shopfujitsu.com/ca/EcomCA/productoverview.do
If you look at some of the models (actually the majority of them), they only have the Intel graphics card 900 media accelerator, which I believe will not be supported by DirectX 10. How will you run Vista with that?
My main point is that Microsoft needs to cut the bloat-ware, and realize most of those jumping on the Vista band wagon will be business users.
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That's not my problem... go and buy something that is able to run Vista or stay and be happy with Windows XP.
Did you maybe see somewhere someone is forcing you to switch ? ;)
By the way, telling that my machine is borderline desktop replacement is nothing but nosense. I'm using it for my business and my business is unbelievable demanding when it comes to graphic, animations, and speed.
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That's not my problem... go and buy something that is able to run Vista or stay and be happy with Windows XP.
Did you maybe see somewhere someone is forcing you to switch ? ;)
By the way, telling that my machine is borderline desktop replacement is nothing but nosense. I'm using it for my business and my business is unbelievable demanding when it comes to graphic, animations, and speed.
My laptop will run Vista fine. You are missing my point, let's just leave it at that.
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Haha maybe MS should go back to win 3.1 look to please people with crappy graphics ... ;D
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Hi folks,
Beta test it from here:
http://byzantinecommunications.com/news/node/48
greets,
polonus
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My laptop will run Vista fine. You are missing my point, let's just leave it at that.
I am happy your laptop will run Vista without problems and that was my point too. many people will not have problems running Vista at all, but there are many expectations, and above all many calculations... and the truth is - no one knows for sure (at least not yet) what computer specs we will need to use all Vista features at its fullest.
Of course business machines with non-replaceable video cards will suffer, but isn't it always like that ? New technology is pushing out the old one... we can not fight against that... we can simply go with the flow and spend some additional money from our pocket, or watch it and cry...
Sure, you are right when you say Microsoft should solve those things differently, but who are we to argue about that... they will always do whatever they think it's the best (for us or for them) and we can just stand still and watch. They have all that money, so they think they can rule the World. As far as I can see, they are succeeding in achieving their goals.
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not sure if someone mentioned it but for best usage of HD Video / Sound in Vista ... You will need "latest" versions of
HD-DVD/BlueRay drives, TVtuners, VideoCard, SoundCard and !!!! display !!!! and more likely also mainboard ... and so on ...
this is because Vista incorporates very complex anti video/sound piracy solution and IF something in the stream drive > bus/memory/cpu/bus > soundcard/videocard > output device (display) is not supporting secure content ... you simple see "worse" quality than HD content
for these who want to know, get some read about
PVP-OPM (Protected Video Path - Output Protection Management) - going hand by hand with HDCP/HDMI
PVP-UAB (Protected Video Path - User-Accessible Bus) - secures data path over bus into output device
PUMA (Protected User Mode Audio) plans are to reimprove it into PAP (Protected Audio Path)
i mainly feel sorry for owners of expensive HD widescreen TFT w/o HDCP/HDMI
in short ... nearly all devices in Vista computer will need to support new security features otherwise no HD content ...
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Rejzor,
The graphics card they recommended for Windows Vista is fairly high quality when looking into business laptops.
They were also fairly high for Windows XP but people were still running it. Some with less eye candies, some used Classic theme without any fade effects and transitions, without transparent effects and so on. If you switch to classic theme with basic effects, WinXP will act exactly the same as Win2000. Turning off fading effects and you get the same as Win98 (even start menu can be set back to retro Win98 style).
Windows Vista will be the same. Those (we) who use better graphic cards supporting hardware accelerated Alpha Blending (avast! skins use this too!) and DirectX 9 will be able to see more effects while those with integrate will stay at classic theme for bacward "compatibility" with older graphic cards.
No on e forces you too set everything to max, you have to make compromises if your hardware is old. This is the same for years in OS-es and games so i don't see anything weird in this at all.
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not sure if someone mentioned it but for best usage of HD Video / Sound in Vista ... You will need "latest" versions of
HD-DVD/BlueRay drives, TVtuners, VideoCard, SoundCard and !!!! display !!!! and more likely also mainboard ... and so on ...
this is because Vista incorporates very complex anti video/sound piracy solution and IF something in the stream drive > bus/memory/cpu/bus > soundcard/videocard > output device (display) is not supporting secure content ... you simple see "worse" quality than HD content
for these who want to know, get some read about
PVP-OPM (Protected Video Path - Output Protection Management) - going hand by hand with HDCP/HDMI
PVP-UAB (Protected Video Path - User-Accessible Bus) - secures data path over bus into output device
PUMA (Protected User Mode Audio) plans are to reimprove it into PAP (Protected Audio Path)
i mainly feel sorry for owners of expensive HD widescreen TFT w/o HDCP/HDMI
in short ... nearly all devices in Vista computer will need to support new security features otherwise no HD content ...
Exactly, and that's just another thing that confirms this what I said in my previous reply:
...New technology is pushing out the old one... we can not fight against that... we can simply go with the flow and spend some additional money from our pocket, or watch it and cry...
Btw, let's be realistic... how many standard middle-end users is concerned with HD Video / Sound ? If they feel like they are unable to perform all those necessary changes and buy new hardware, they can always stay with Windows XP. It's not like it's going to be outdated soon. I am sure Microsoft will still support XP many, many years in the future. Whatever some may say, Windows XP is still safest and most practical OS version (Windows) ever. Vista is going to change that for the better, but still... people using XP, not ready for those changes are not going to be forgotten. They will have all those security updates and other stuff, they will still have Microsoft support available, so no point in thinking like it's the end of the World when Vista comes out.
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I wonder how their new anti-piracy software will deal in Canada - where downloading and uploading music is legal, and downloading music and software is legal (just not uploading)?
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While the article in the link below is not very in-depth, it does give a bit more info into what will be needed for Vista.
http://www.arcamax.com/cgi-bin/news/story/1017/39472/648935
Even though I have an AMD 64 cpu, I'll not be switching to Vista for a year or two. I discovered years ago that the first version of almost any software has bugs and glitches. As examples, I did not switch from W95 until W98SE came out. And, I did not switch from W98SE until after XP/SP2 came out. :)
I will say, though, that I appreciate all those who switch early and find the bugs/glitches for MS. ;) 8)
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I will upgrade, but probably not until service pack one is released.
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Well, I might upgrade to Vista a year after it is released, or how I am doing at school and have a job so I can afford to upgrade to Vista, but for me Windows XP does everything that I need it to do, so maybe I will not end up getting Vista but get Vienna (codename I think) in 2010 when I have left High School and what I'll be doing at Uni or Polytech.
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I am not a chicken, I am going for it. :D
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I am not so sure latest OSX would work on some old MAC machine, simply because of the graphical engine. No one can tell me different... ok, maybe it would work, but for sure it wouldn't be as smooth as it supposed to be.
Any Mac that has a G3(266Mhz and higher), G4, G5 or Intel Processor and 256MB of RAM or more and a firewire Port will Run Mac OS X tiger there is no video card requirement actually it runs pretty well on a 350Mhz G4 Machine if you have enough RAM (512MB)