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Title: AVG Antivirus BETA 17.1
Post by: MartinZ on December 09, 2016, 06:31:19 PM
Hi beta testers,
today we got something special for you. As you probably noticed AVAST recently acquired AVG and today we release the very first beta version of the new AVG Antivirus.
I hope you don't mind that I post it here on AVAST forum, please give it a try and let us know your opinion.

It's based on the same engine as Avast, with some AVG specific functionality (Zen, Behavior analysis called "Software Analyzer", Data Safe)


Testing notes:
Please do not install it on PC where AVAST or AVG is already installed.
It's not necessary to create AVG Account.


Download links:

AVG AntiVirus Free
Online: https://www.avg.com/download-antivirus-free-beta-1795
Offline 32-bit: https://www.avg.com/download-antivirus-free-beta-x86-1799
Offline 64-bit: https://www.avg.com/download-antivirus-free-beta-x64-1797

AVG Internet Security
Online: https://www.avg.com/download-internet-security-beta-1785
Offline 32-bit: https://www.avg.com/download-internet-security-beta-x86-1789
Offline 64-bit: https://www.avg.com/download-internet-security-beta-x64-1787

Known issues:
- main scan doesn't scan system drive yet, for full virus scan please use the Quick Scan
- Software analyzer is disabled on Windows XP and Vista
- Data Safe: it is not possible to resize Data Safe when the Data Safe is opened
- Data Safe: error dialogs/states related to Data Safe resizing, closing etc. are not finished
- Data Safe: crating Data Safe in custom path and with creating new folder does not work (custom path selection for existing path works)
- AVG Antivirus does not detect AVG PC Tuneup as installed
- Firewall dialog about new network might be displayed repeatedly after each computer restart
- Missing texts in File Shredder
- Zen: invitation via invitation code does not work

Enjoy this brand new beta!
We are looking forward to your feedback.

AVAST Team


p.s. don't worry the behavior analysis(HIPS) will be added to next AVAST beta as well ;-)
Title: Re: NEW: AVG Antivirus BETA
Post by: Alikhan on December 09, 2016, 06:34:22 PM
I thought the AVG engine would be incorporated into Avast and that they will be merged?
Title: Re: NEW: AVG Antivirus BETA
Post by: MartinZ on December 09, 2016, 06:41:12 PM
Yes some parts of AVG engine has been merged. And of course the virus definitions as well.
Title: Re: NEW: AVG Antivirus BETA
Post by: DavidR on December 09, 2016, 06:53:23 PM
Considering that there is an avast beta session in progress (though that is glacial, almost seems to have been abandoned) released 03 November 2016 yet no beta updates.

So it seems somewhat strange to promote another completely different AV beta, in the Avast Support Forums, even in the circumstances.
Title: Re: NEW: AVG Antivirus BETA
Post by: Secondmineboy on December 09, 2016, 06:58:32 PM
May give it a shot in my VM when im done installing it from scratch :)
Title: Re: NEW: AVG Antivirus BETA
Post by: TrueIndian on December 09, 2016, 06:59:33 PM
Looks Interesting..Glad to see Avast and AVG helping each other out and growing stronger together :)
Title: Re: NEW: AVG Antivirus BETA
Post by: Lord_Ami on December 09, 2016, 07:00:31 PM
I don't see any problem regarding announcing this beta here. These are products of one company after all.

Some pictures:
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Title: Re: NEW: AVG Antivirus BETA
Post by: Eddy on December 09, 2016, 07:00:47 PM
Not only that.
avast said to bring out monthly updates for the regular version and last update (not counting micro updates)/new version is from 4 months ago. :(
Title: Re: NEW: AVG Antivirus BETA
Post by: REDACTED on December 09, 2016, 07:01:40 PM
I installed the program linked above, which only seems to install a launcher type program, with four options to install internet security, PC tuneup, etc...  All four sections say "not protected", "not installed" etc..  Then I clicked on internet security to install that protection, but got a failed intstallation error  (0xE001003D: Specified file was not found.).
Title: Re: NEW: AVG Antivirus BETA
Post by: Alikhan on December 09, 2016, 07:04:48 PM
We're waiting for the new Avast update with the new Avast UI as well as implementing the behaviour blocker and definitions from AVG into Avast which seems to have been forgotten about.
Title: Re: NEW: AVG Antivirus BETA
Post by: lukor on December 09, 2016, 07:11:50 PM
Hi Alikhan, you should visit us here in Prague and Brno. Nobody is forgetting about integration all those things together at all.
Title: Re: NEW: AVG Antivirus BETA
Post by: Evjls on December 09, 2016, 07:21:49 PM
now I'm really confused. What is the difference between avast beta and AVG beta regarding the engine and signature? Does avast beta not have AVG's behavior analysis?
Title: Re: NEW: AVG Antivirus BETA
Post by: MartinZ on December 09, 2016, 07:23:06 PM
Not only that.
avast said to bring out monthly updates for the regular version and last update (not counting micro updates)/new version is from 4 months ago. :(
Hi Eddy,
 that concerns me as well, but it was caused by the AVG acquisition. We will get back on track with monthly releases in Q1 2017.
Title: Re: NEW: AVG Antivirus BETA
Post by: REDACTED on December 09, 2016, 07:27:27 PM
now I'm really confused.

Me too.  Why isn't AVG AV just being killed off, and have the developers focus on the merged programs.  Seems silly to waste resources on a program that will be discontinued.
Title: Re: NEW: AVG Antivirus BETA
Post by: Rednose on December 09, 2016, 07:37:31 PM
Confused 3.

If so many things will be integrated/merged, what will be the difference between Avast and AVG, except their GUI's ?

Greetz, Red.
Title: Re: NEW: AVG Antivirus BETA
Post by: Lord_Ami on December 09, 2016, 07:40:15 PM
now I'm really confused.

Me too.  Why isn't AVG AV just being killed off, and have the developers focus on the merged programs.  Seems silly to waste resources on a program that will be discontinued.

There's more to product than internals. AVG/Avast have different markets. For example, AVG is more known in U.S and Avast perhaps in EU/Brazil. That too requires them to market them differently (even though products share internals).

For an AV company it's not that easy to just dismiss one product and replace it with universal new one.
Title: Re: NEW: AVG Antivirus BETA
Post by: Patrick2 on December 09, 2016, 07:45:11 PM
Confused 4

Reported Problems with the Avast beta in the forum,  example bsod on Windows 10 x64 Pro 1607 14393.447 build in the first week of the beta, memory management bsods, (not once, but twice, corrupted entire PC profile) but I stuck with Avast and reinstalled the stable version after clean install, as darn image drive didn't wanna start that day.

Windows 7 32bit Intel Atom little Desktop,  Scan Window issues, slow opening of the GUI on that system, (might be cause of system specs not sure),  Why waste resources on AVG Beta and stall the Avast beta it seems like,  I do like the new GUI color of the 12.4 version and I hope it's stable enough to use once final. 

Been with Avast since 2006, minus brief time of testing Microsoft Security Essentials/Defender in 2009 & 2012 respectfully, but 2 of 4 PC's always had Avast.   My Android Phone even has Avast now. 

And Will Avast be compatible with Windows Creator Update builds again including ones in the Preview currently? 
Title: Re: NEW: AVG Antivirus BETA
Post by: REDACTED on December 09, 2016, 07:45:52 PM

For an AV company it's not that easy to just dismiss one product and replace it with universal new one.

Companies do it all the time.  Seems really silly to continue to develop two AV programs under two different brands. 

Also, at this point, I have my doubts AVG is more well known in the USA than Avast.  It seems to me the AV name has been fading for 10+ years.
Title: Re: NEW: AVG Antivirus BETA
Post by: Vlk on December 09, 2016, 11:14:15 PM
Guys,

I understand the confusion, but please try to help us if at all possible.

- There are tens of millions of people around the world using the AVG AV product, and we want to serve them with the best product possible
- There's really no community around AVG, and we were hoping our great Avast community could help us test this. Please try to be constructive.
- Of course, we continue running full throttle towards releasing a whole-new version of Avast as well.
- Both of these branded releases are planned for January (first AVG, then Avast).
- I'm quite confident that when these products reach their final release stage (at the end of January), you will be positively surprised by their improved core detection/protection capabilities. Given what I know about the two technologies, I can tell you I am super excited about the combination and can't wait to see it fully deployed to the market.
- After that, we will continue with the monthly release schedule we promised last summer.

Thanks
Vlk

Title: Re: NEW: AVG Antivirus BETA
Post by: Secondmineboy on December 09, 2016, 11:18:42 PM
Guys,

I understand the confusion, but please try to help us if at all possible.

- There are tens of millions of people around the world using the AVG AV product, and we want to serve them with the best product possible
- There's really no community around AVG, and we were hoping our great Avast community could help us test this. Please try to be constructive.
- Of course, we continue running full throttle towards releasing a whole-new version of Avast as well.
- Both of these branded releases are planned for January (first AVG, then Avast).
- I'm quite confident that when these products reach their final release stage (at the end of January), you will be positively surprised by their improved core detection/protection capabilities. Given what I know about the two technologies, I can tell you I am super excited about the combination and can't wait to see it fully deployed to the market.
- After that, we will continue with the monthly release schedule we promised last summer.

Thanks
Vlk



Im prepared to test the next Betas both inside and outside of VmWare machines :)

Just be faster with releasing them :P
Title: Re: NEW: AVG Antivirus BETA
Post by: RejZoR on December 09, 2016, 11:32:36 PM
My main concerns are Zen launcher thing which is annoying and my second concern is that avast! will be getting this garbage as well. I can't stand this garbage with AVIRA and I'll never ever use it because of it. AVG was also annoying, but if you used FileHippo stand alone installer, you could just use the AVG Antivirus. avast! was cool the entire time because it never had this crap. But I fear it'll get it now as well...

EDIT:
This new AVG merged with avast! is nice. Apart from Zen garbage which I can't stand it AT ALL, avast! has done more to AVG GUI than they have in last few years. In fact, (again, apart from Zen part) I actually consider new AVG's interface superior to avast!'s new GUI. avast!'s felt like a rough draft where AVG's feels like a proper polished GUI which feels familiar because of avast! components and arrangement, but it still has AVG's signature feel. It's weird actually. And I'm sticking with AVG free for now. Not kidding, I like it more than avast! GUI.

But for the love of god, give users option to install new AVG without Zen launcher component. Or at least default to it, but allow users to remove it afterwards.
Title: Re: NEW: AVG Antivirus BETA
Post by: REDACTED on December 09, 2016, 11:47:36 PM
My main concerns are Zen launcher thing which is annoying and my second concern is that avast! will be getting this garbage as well. I can't stand this garbage with AVIRA and I'll never ever use it because of it. AVG was also annoying, but if you used FileHippo stand alone installer, you could just use the AVG Antivirus. avast! was cool the entire time because it never had this crap. But I fear it'll get it now as well...

+1
Title: Re: NEW: AVG Antivirus BETA
Post by: Patrick2 on December 09, 2016, 11:50:47 PM
Never used AVG Products, but I suppose I could setup at least one machine for testing it on, despite that is also my Avast test machine lol, so will have to pick a product to test, and stick with it, Can't do Virtual machine on that system, as no space, and no space on main Desktop either for that.   So will see what to do regarding testing in coming days
Title: Re: NEW: AVG Antivirus BETA
Post by: RejZoR on December 10, 2016, 12:00:47 AM
I already managed to break this stupid Zen component.

The "Free Antivirus" has changed to "Internet Security" and now I can't access ANY of the antivirus controls or settings. WHAT!? All I did was change the device icon from laptop to desktop. And now it's broken. :o
Title: Re: NEW: AVG Antivirus BETA
Post by: DavidR on December 10, 2016, 12:08:06 AM
Never used AVG Products, but I suppose I could setup at least one machine for testing it on
<snip>

I abandoned AVG almost 13 years ago for avast and have never looked back. It would actually feel really weird trying it.

My biggest problem is a system to test it on, No way it is going on this XP Pro system my most used system. It isn't going on my new Win10 laptop (under two weeks old), possibly because I still hate win10, more so now I have it. This would leave my win7 netbook, but that is so under powered only 10.1", 1024X600 screen, 2GB DDR3 RAM, Intel Atom N255 (1.5GHz dual core) CPU.
Title: Re: NEW: AVG Antivirus BETA
Post by: Patrick2 on December 10, 2016, 12:12:27 AM
Yeah my little atom PC is very unpowered, barely can open the Avast new GUI, not sure if it will be any better with AVG, but I guess worth a shot, might work on that tomorrow though.  Windows 10 Machine staying with Avast, XP Laptop dead, memory sticks or hard drive died, so that leaves either 1 of the Windows 10 Systems, or the Little Atom revo  Desktop lol

Specs of Atom machine
1.6ghz Single Core Intel Atom
1.5gb of ram
160gb hard drive 5400RPM

Title: Re: NEW: AVG Antivirus BETA
Post by: .: Mac :. on December 10, 2016, 03:36:21 AM
I guess its like General Motors, using different brand names dependent on geography, but built on the same platform.

Installed on 10 x64, scan completed with no issues. Virus definitions look to use the same version format as Avast now. 
Title: Re: NEW: AVG Antivirus BETA
Post by: Lord_Ami on December 10, 2016, 10:00:08 AM
I already managed to break this stupid Zen component.

The "Free Antivirus" has changed to "Internet Security" and now I can't access ANY of the antivirus controls or settings. WHAT!? All I did was change the device icon from laptop to desktop. And now it's broken. :o

I had similar experience. Seems like bug.
Title: Re: NEW: AVG Antivirus BETA
Post by: Andrey,pro on December 10, 2016, 04:43:59 PM
Just installed it on my laptop and I love it's UI much more than Avast's in latest Beta but I hate Zen garbage too. Why do I need to run Zen to get access to antivirus part?
Title: Re: NEW: AVG Antivirus BETA
Post by: REDACTED on December 10, 2016, 06:05:49 PM
in a way i kind of agree why not send out notifications to avg users that they will all be merged over to avast and then have one universal product. i have seen many companies try to run with the multiple branding thing in all different fields not just av's and usually either one fails or both tend to suffer. i would love to see a brand new product that takes each of the best of both and make one ultimate av.

and yes please no launchers or anything avira did that and everyone i know of hates it.

i will be testing both though and will until maybe they do get merged together. although i have never been an avg person really.
Title: Re: NEW: AVG Antivirus BETA
Post by: Asyn on December 10, 2016, 06:28:42 PM
Hi beta testers,
today we got something special for you. As you probably noticed AVAST recently acquired AVG and today we release the very first beta version of the new AVG Antivirus.
I hope you don't mind that I post it here on AVAST forum, please give it a try and let us know your opinion.
Hi Martin, if you want to beta-test AVG here, I strongly suggest to create a child board for it. Cheers.
Title: Re: NEW: AVG Antivirus BETA
Post by: Vlk on December 10, 2016, 07:10:49 PM
Companies do it all the time.  Seems really silly to continue to develop two AV programs under two different brands. 

Well, silly. Despite what you're saying, the AVG user base is still very strong (especially in English speaking countries) and we see no point in forcing people to move to Avast. It's like if Coca-Cola bought Pepsi and decided to migrate all Pepsi customers to Coke -- doable, but not necessarily wise. There's a lot of nuance and personal biases that make this risky.

Long term, we may end up with one brand only but it's definitely not something we think can be done quickly. The current view is that 1-2 years would be a minimum, assuming everything went smoothly.

This new AVG merged with avast! is nice. Apart from Zen garbage which I can't stand it AT ALL, avast! has done more to AVG GUI than they have in last few years. In fact, (again, apart from Zen part) I actually consider new AVG's interface superior to avast!'s new GUI.

Super, happy to hear that. I think the team has done a very good job with the new AVG GUI (especially given the short time frame), although I personally still prefer the new Avast Nitro UI (especially with the latest changes that you haven't seen yet). They are both nice.

But, frankly, UI is just the wrapping and I'm sure you will agree that what really matters is what's inside. And that's where things start to get really interesting. Now, it's a bit awkward to talk about it just now as some of the key features are still missing from the engine (such as the AVG code emulator, which, in my view, is a real gold nugget) but in some 4-6 weeks from today, we should have everything integrated. We're pulling all the stops and integrating the tech as fast as we can now...

But for the love of god, give users option to install new AVG without Zen launcher component. Or at least default to it, but allow users to remove it afterwards.

Well... Zen has been an integral part of AVG for a few years now, and is staying. We plan to integrate it to the main AV UI, but that will come later -- as, again, we feel we need to focus on the engine first.

I already managed to break this stupid Zen component.

The "Free Antivirus" has changed to "Internet Security" and now I can't access ANY of the antivirus controls or settings. WHAT!? All I did was change the device icon from laptop to desktop. And now it's broken. :o

I think that's a bug and the team will undoubtedly be interested in exact steps to reproduce it. Can you help?

Just installed it on my laptop and I love it's UI much more than Avast's in latest Beta but I hate Zen garbage too. Why do I need to run Zen to get access to antivirus part?

Glad to hear you like new AVG UI. For Zen, please see above. We have some plans, but we will first release a version that addresses the internals and only then start making changes to Zen etc.

in a way i kind of agree why not send out notifications to avg users that they will all be merged over to avast and then have one universal product. i have seen many companies try to run with the multiple branding thing in all different fields not just av's and usually either one fails or both tend to suffer. i would love to see a brand new product that takes each of the best of both and make one ultimate av.

We think the dual-brand strategy is the right approach for now.  There's just too much risk in trying to migrate tens of millions of users from one brand to another. We will be revisiting this later.


Thanks, guys.
Vlk
Title: Re: NEW: AVG Antivirus BETA
Post by: Patrick2 on December 10, 2016, 07:29:52 PM
Well I'm Sure once Testing is done for both versions, both will top notch protection no matter which version use, and much better than Default Windows Defender Security in Windows 8.1 and 10 in my opinion, tried Defender a bit when Anniversary update came out for Windows 10 out of curiousness, and took like 3 hours to do a full scan, soon as that was done reinstalled Avast lol


Will Get to Testing AVG on that upstairs Windows 7 Intel Atom PC, only machine can test really on these days, but am happy to test and report anything, and hopefully have all the little and major bugs found and top notch protection on all my systems in 2017

Title: Re: NEW: AVG Antivirus BETA
Post by: Rednose on December 10, 2016, 07:58:05 PM
Hi beta testers,
today we got something special for you. As you probably noticed AVAST recently acquired AVG and today we release the very first beta version of the new AVG Antivirus.
I hope you don't mind that I post it here on AVAST forum, please give it a try and let us know your opinion.
Hi Martin, if you want to beta-test AVG here, I strongly suggest to create a child board for it. Cheers.

I second that :)

Otherwise things will mix up if AVG testers create new topics here in this board.

Greetz, Red.

Title: Re: NEW: AVG Antivirus BETA
Post by: RejZoR on December 10, 2016, 08:42:19 PM
@Vlk
Certainly, I agree what's under the hood is the most important. But interface is what gives users the first impression. If it's professionally done and pleasing to the eye, people trust it more already, even if they don't know anything about its detection rate. Human psychology 101.
Title: Re: NEW: AVG Antivirus BETA
Post by: REDACTED on December 10, 2016, 08:53:13 PM
@VLK

So how should the user choose between AVG and Avast?  Is it eventually going to be pretty much the same program, just with a different skin/GUI? 
Title: Re: NEW: AVG Antivirus BETA
Post by: Asyn on December 10, 2016, 09:05:07 PM
@Vlk
Certainly, I agree what's under the hood is the most important. But interface is what gives users the first impression. If it's professionally done and pleasing to the eye, people trust it more already, even if they don't know anything about its detection rate. Human psychology 101.
Spot-on. The average Joe rather goes for look & feel than technical details.
Title: Re: NEW: AVG Antivirus BETA
Post by: Vlk on December 10, 2016, 09:35:32 PM
@Vlk
Certainly, I agree what's under the hood is the most important. But interface is what gives users the first impression. If it's professionally done and pleasing to the eye, people trust it more already, even if they don't know anything about its detection rate. Human psychology 101.

Sure thing, I'm not questioning the importance of UX at all. Just that it feels to me that whenever we focus make changes to the UI, folks complain about lack of changes under the hood (my favorite question being "What's happening with the HIPS?" :-)) and when we upgrade the internals, the discussion skews towards the UI. But, RejZoR, Asyn and other, I think we're all on the same page after all -- we want Avast to simply excel in all areas, from detection rates and core technology to kick-ass UI. I totally second that.

So how should the user choose between AVG and Avast?  Is it eventually going to be pretty much the same program, just with a different skin/GUI? 

You guys should use Avast. ;)

Cheers
Vlk
 
Title: Re: NEW: AVG Antivirus BETA
Post by: Alikhan on December 10, 2016, 09:49:02 PM
Hi Martin, if you want to beta-test AVG here, I strongly suggest to create a child board for it. Cheers.

I agree with that.

Well, silly. Despite what you're saying, the AVG user base is still very strong (especially in English speaking countries) and we see no point in forcing people to move to Avast. It's like if Coca-Cola bought Pepsi and decided to migrate all Pepsi customers to Coke -- doable, but not necessarily wise. There's a lot of nuance and personal biases that make this risky.

Long term, we may end up with one brand only but it's definitely not something we think can be done quickly. The current view is that 1-2 years would be a minimum, assuming everything went smoothly.

I'd agree that the AVG user base is very strong and you shouldn't force the move to Avast. However, what I do find strange is why release a BETA of Avast a month ago and then jump to an AVG beta without any new BETA on Avast.  If you will be developing two products, wouldn't that be double the work? What will happen if the two products have different detection rates in tests. I don't see a problem in taking time to merge but that should be taken with caution too.

But, frankly, UI is just the wrapping and I'm sure you will agree that what really matters is what's inside.

I completely agree with that.

Well... Zen has been an integral part of AVG for a few years now, and is staying.

Will there be an option in AVG to do a custom install like Avast and remove components that a user doesn't want?

Title: Re: NEW: AVG Antivirus BETA
Post by: military on December 10, 2016, 09:52:48 PM
Vlk , actually all of you correctly made. It is sure, the majority supports you. We wait for further integration of products.
Title: Re: NEW: AVG Antivirus BETA
Post by: RejZoR on December 10, 2016, 10:11:36 PM
@Vlk
Certainly, I agree what's under the hood is the most important. But interface is what gives users the first impression. If it's professionally done and pleasing to the eye, people trust it more already, even if they don't know anything about its detection rate. Human psychology 101.

Sure thing, I'm not questioning the importance of UX at all. Just that it feels to me that whenever we focus make changes to the UI, folks complain about lack of changes under the hood (my favorite question being "What's happening with the HIPS?" :-)) and when we upgrade the internals, the discussion skews towards the UI. But, RejZoR, Asyn and other, I think we're all on the same page after all -- we want Avast to simply excel in all areas, from detection rates and core technology to kick-ass UI. I totally second that.

So how should the user choose between AVG and Avast?  Is it eventually going to be pretty much the same program, just with a different skin/GUI? 

You guys should use Avast. ;)

Cheers
Vlk

Though I'd rather see avast! dominate all detection charts and tests. That also helps sales greatly. Is that antivirus good one may ask? Well, it tops all the possible tests. And many will ignore its looks if it means it'll protect them well. So, that's what I'm hoping for as the very first thing. Which helps me as user and helps you generating even more trust and of course more customers.
Title: Re: NEW: AVG Antivirus BETA
Post by: REDACTED on December 11, 2016, 02:18:23 AM
i also agree that for now at least you should keep them separate. what i meant is to slowly over some time work with users and eventually merge both. for sure not immediately. that would annoy a lot of people. but if done slowly and in a professional manner i do think in the long run it would work out. either way it would be great to have use of both technologies in both av's

fyi i am now testing both programs.
Title: Re: NEW: AVG Antivirus BETA
Post by: kev777 on December 11, 2016, 11:45:15 AM
hi, have installed NEW AVG Antivirus Beta, please can someone tell me the virus definitions are know 3 days old ? each time I check they are up to date? thank you   :)
Title: Re: NEW: AVG Antivirus BETA
Post by: TrueIndian on December 11, 2016, 05:56:55 PM
I really like the new AVG merged with Avast! engine.

Vlk is right about merging the product too much of a risk....we don't want to lose the huge community that's going to help us even more detecting threats in real-time.

Looking forward to seeing more of this integration in both products and how it will affect them on the charts of detection.


Thanks,
TI
Title: Re: NEW: AVG Antivirus BETA
Post by: RejZoR on December 11, 2016, 06:32:57 PM
hi, have installed NEW AVG Antivirus Beta, please can someone tell me the virus definitions are know 3 days old ? each time I check they are up to date? thank you   :)

Those are just big definitions. The streaming ones are still delivered every few minutes. Those are the same as the big ones, just delivered in more frequent fashion.
Title: Re: NEW: AVG Antivirus BETA
Post by: Evjls on December 12, 2016, 02:35:53 PM
Is avast final (non-beta) getting the merged signatures now?
Title: Re: NEW: AVG Antivirus BETA
Post by: DavidR on December 12, 2016, 02:46:56 PM
Is avast final (non-beta) getting the merged signatures now?

Short answer No.

However, this topic is about AVG Beta not avast Beta.
Title: Re: NEW: AVG Antivirus BETA
Post by: RejZoR on December 12, 2016, 04:15:38 PM
Wait a sec, so AVG is getting merged tech, but avast! isn't (yet)? That would be a bit of an odd decision.
Title: Re: NEW: AVG Antivirus BETA
Post by: DavidR on December 12, 2016, 04:54:19 PM
Wait a sec, so AVG is getting merged tech, but avast! isn't (yet)? That would be a bit of an odd decision.

My take on it is that the AVG beta is might be working on the merged signatures. But the current avast beta is avast signatures and components. Nothing in the avast beta details to indicate that and perhaps the reverse.

   Hi all,
sorry for the delay with this beta, but it's finally here. We are now busy working on integration with AVG but I hope you will like the changes coming early next year (and yes HIPS included (wink) ) Main purpose of this beta to test its stability and get your feedback on the new UI.
<snip>
Title: Re: NEW: AVG Antivirus BETA
Post by: igor on December 12, 2016, 05:46:31 PM
Don't worry, the merging goes both ways. In particular, the signatures/detections are in the virus definitions - and they will be the same.
Of course specific detections may depend on the metadata the program is able to supply, on the program settings etc. - so there might be tiny differences, but Avast is certainly getting new detections as well.
Title: Re: NEW: AVG Antivirus BETA
Post by: DavidR on December 12, 2016, 05:59:36 PM
Don't worry, the merging goes both ways. In particular, the signatures/detections are in the virus definitions - and they will be the same.
Of course specific detections may depend on the metadata the program is able to supply, on the program settings etc. - so there might be tiny differences, but Avast is certainly getting new detections as well.

Thanks for the clarification Igor.
Title: Re: NEW: AVG Antivirus BETA
Post by: Alikhan on December 12, 2016, 07:07:46 PM
Don't worry, the merging goes both ways. In particular, the signatures/detections are in the virus definitions - and they will be the same.
Of course specific detections may depend on the metadata the program is able to supply, on the program settings etc. - so there might be tiny differences, but Avast is certainly getting new detections as well.

Will Avast be getting the behavior blocker which it lacks from AVG IDP?
Title: Re: NEW: AVG Antivirus BETA
Post by: RejZoR on December 12, 2016, 07:13:13 PM
Don't worry, the merging goes both ways. In particular, the signatures/detections are in the virus definitions - and they will be the same.
Of course specific detections may depend on the metadata the program is able to supply, on the program settings etc. - so there might be tiny differences, but Avast is certainly getting new detections as well.

Will Avast be getting the behavior blocker which it lacks from AVG IDP?

Of course! AVG already received HTTP scanner, CyberCapture and streaming updates from avast!. Of course avast! will also receive all the goodies from AVG. I've also heard Vlk mentioning AVG's emulator which was a surprising "gem" as well.

I hope that AVG and avast! teams will remain separate when it comes to developing new technologies, because apparently guys at AVG also know how to make good tech. And so are avast! guys. If they merge the teams too much they'll in a way fall into a trap where you become unable to look at things out of the box, causing quality of your tech to become worse and worse over time (or shall I say with smaller and smaller leaps forward). They should still share findings and tech, of course, but in a way, being separate a bit would help in a way.
Title: Re: NEW: AVG Antivirus BETA
Post by: irongod on December 12, 2016, 07:18:11 PM
Considering that there is an avast beta session in progress (though that is glacial, almost seems to have been abandoned) released 03 November 2016 yet no beta updates.

So it seems somewhat strange to promote another completely different AV beta, in the Avast Support Forums, even in the circumstances.

 :o indeed!
Title: Re: NEW: AVG Antivirus BETA
Post by: RejZoR on December 12, 2016, 07:22:40 PM
Well, AVG and avast! are now effectively the same thing. I frankly don't mind seeing AVG stuff here at all. In fact I'd prefer AVG finding a new home here on this very forum. As separate subsection of course.
Title: Re: NEW: AVG Antivirus BETA
Post by: Alikhan on December 12, 2016, 07:23:07 PM
Of course! AVG already received HTTP scanner, CyberCapture and streaming updates from avast!. Of course avast! will also receive all the goodies from AVG. I've also heard Vlk mentioning AVG's emulator which was a surprising "gem" as well.

I hope that AVG and avast! teams will remain separate when it comes to developing new technologies, because apparently guys at AVG also know how to make good tech. And so are avast! guys. If they merge the teams too much they'll in a way fall into a trap where you become unable to look at things out of the box, causing quality of your tech to become worse and worse over time (or shall I say with smaller and smaller leaps forward). They should still share findings and tech, of course, but in a way, being separate a bit would help in a way.

The AVG emulator and IDP will be good for starters. I'm sure there's still lots of more goodies in there and as long as Zen is kept away from Avast, I'm happy. I'd agree that it's best that the teams work separately on techniques rather than both just work on one together...
Title: Re: NEW: AVG Antivirus BETA
Post by: REDACTED on December 12, 2016, 07:25:19 PM
After all the issues yesterday, I was finally able to get this installed.  From what I can tell, Avast has been heavily intergrated into this.

Once they fix the shutdown issue, I will likely switch back to the Avast beta.  I just can't get passed the Zen launcher, although I am not particularly found of the Avast beta GUI either.  Also prefer Avast due to the available hardened mode.
Title: Re: NEW: AVG Antivirus BETA
Post by: RejZoR on December 12, 2016, 07:25:46 PM
In few words with Vlk, he mentioned Zen is remaining with AVG because it has been so integrated already. No plans to add Zen to avast! though. So, that's a good thing, because I really dislike Zen thingie... Totally unnecessary middle interface with unnecessary extra clicks to reach stuff you want to use.
Title: Re: NEW: AVG Antivirus BETA
Post by: Rednose on December 12, 2016, 11:46:15 PM
In fact I'd prefer AVG finding a new home here on this very forum. As separate subsection of course.

I agree :)

Also invite the AVG Gurus to join this forum, as we can learn from each other.

Greetz, Red.
Title: Re: NEW: AVG Antivirus BETA
Post by: Be Secure on December 13, 2016, 03:34:27 AM
In fact I'd prefer AVG finding a new home here on this very forum. As separate subsection of course.

I agree :)

Also invite the AVG Gurus to join this forum, as we can learn from each other.

Greetz, Red.
+1 :D
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I hope that AVG and avast! teams will remain separate when it comes to developing new technologies, because apparently guys at AVG also know how to make good tech. And so are avast! guys. If they merge the teams too much they'll in a way fall into a trap where you become unable to look at things out of the box, causing quality of your tech to become worse and worse over time (or shall I say with smaller and smaller leaps forward). They should still share findings and tech, of course, but in a way, being separate a bit would help in a way.
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In fact I'd prefer AVG finding a new home here on this very forum. As separate subsection of course.
+1.
Title: Re: NEW: AVG Antivirus BETA
Post by: Be Secure on December 13, 2016, 04:39:02 AM
Guys,

I understand the confusion, but please try to help us if at all possible.

- There are tens of millions of people around the world using the AVG AV product, and we want to serve them with the best product possible
- There's really no community around AVG, and we were hoping our great Avast community could help us test this. Please try to be constructive.
- Of course, we continue running full throttle towards releasing a whole-new version of Avast as well.
- Both of these branded releases are planned for January (first AVG, then Avast).
- I'm quite confident that when these products reach their final release stage (at the end of January), you will be positively surprised by their improved core detection/protection capabilities. Given what I know about the two technologies, I can tell you I am super excited about the combination and can't wait to see it fully deployed to the market.
- After that, we will continue with the monthly release schedule we promised last summer.

Thanks
Vlk
Why Avast is second and AVG first?
Title: Re: NEW: AVG Antivirus BETA
Post by: Vlk on December 13, 2016, 10:21:39 AM
In few words with Vlk, he mentioned Zen is remaining with AVG because it has been so integrated already. No plans to add Zen to avast! though. So, that's a good thing, because I really dislike Zen thingie... Totally unnecessary middle interface with unnecessary extra clicks to reach stuff you want to use.

There's really two things about Zen:
1. The functionality to be able to manage multiple devices and products
2. The launcher app

In short, we like item 1. but don't like item 2. In fact, item 1. is what MyAvast account was in Avast 2014/2015 -- but more robust and polished, and we'd like to retain that and eventually bring it over to Avast as well. But we don't like the launcher (especially as a separate app) and will rather try to implement the functionality somewhere in the main UI.

Why Avast is second and AVG first?

Without going into too much of a detail, it's because AVG will gain access to some Avast features that we need to better control the sales flows (such as in-product messaging), and that's baked in the overall acquisition business case.

Thanks
Vlk
Title: Re: NEW: AVG Antivirus BETA
Post by: RejZoR on December 13, 2016, 03:51:09 PM
I frankly wouldn't mind Zen if it was actually convenient (even in such stand alone form). But for whatever reason, people who design these silly launchers all forgot the very basics of good interface design. This goes for AVG's launcher as well as AVIRA's launcher which is equally as dreadful.

I wrote a bit about this here in case if you missed it:
https://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=194137.0

Minimal effort for what would already be acceptable interface design even for someone like me who really dislikes launchers.
Title: Re: NEW: AVG Antivirus BETA
Post by: Pondus on December 13, 2016, 04:02:04 PM
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1. The functionality to be able to manage multiple devices and products
I like the one Sophos have, especially if you are the family it administrator

From the online web dashboard you can manage 10 computers, see what has been detected / urls blocked / Block websites by category on childrens computer / start a scan .....


Title: Re: NEW: AVG Antivirus BETA
Post by: RejZoR on December 13, 2016, 06:45:27 PM
Thx for splitting up the beta forum. Much better now :)
Title: Re: NEW: AVG Antivirus BETA
Post by: cristianojgm on December 13, 2016, 09:33:58 PM
Will AVG have cybercapture?
Title: Re: NEW: AVG Antivirus BETA
Post by: REDACTED on December 13, 2016, 09:37:52 PM
Will AVG have cybercapture?

It's already in the beta.
Title: Re: NEW: AVG Antivirus BETA
Post by: RejZoR on December 13, 2016, 11:49:09 PM
I've done an hour and a half long test today with bunch of samples. Findings are interesting, but stupid Youtube is acting up and I can't upload the video. Need to figure this out. I just have to say Software Analyzer is really amazing. It's a proper behavior blocker which caught huge amount of samples on its own.
Title: Re: NEW: AVG Antivirus BETA
Post by: TrueIndian on December 14, 2016, 04:44:41 AM
I've done an hour and a half long test today with bunch of samples. Findings are interesting, but stupid Youtube is acting up and I can't upload the video. Need to figure this out. I just have to say Software Analyzer is really amazing. It's a proper behavior blocker which caught huge amount of samples on its own.

Its good to hear that.Hope to see the same in avast! as well.  :)
Title: Re: NEW: AVG Antivirus BETA
Post by: Asyn on December 14, 2016, 06:51:24 AM
Thx for splitting up the beta forum. Much better now :)
+1 :)
Title: Re: NEW: AVG Antivirus BETA
Post by: REDACTED on December 15, 2016, 12:34:01 PM
Hi
I live in Iran
We can use avast here and it updates well
But we can't use Avg because of boycott :(
What's the matter?
Please make it possible
Is not avg a part of avast?
Title: Re: NEW: AVG Antivirus BETA
Post by: Para-Noid on December 15, 2016, 06:49:37 PM
Creating a new VM now, Win7x64 (I don't have a Win10 disk).

This topic should be moved to an "AVG specific" forum.
Having avast! and AVG on the same board has the potential of getting confusing.
avast and AVG on the same beta board is somewhat understandable but a separate "forum" would be better (imo).

edit: edit
Title: Re: NEW: AVG Antivirus BETA
Post by: Pondus on December 15, 2016, 06:52:02 PM
Creating a new VM now, Win7x64 (I don't have a Win10 disk).

This topic should be moved to an "AVG specific" child board.
Having avast! and AVG on the same board has the potential of getting confusing.

on top of this board > you are here >

Avast WEBforum » Avast support forums » Avast Free/Pro/IS/Premier » Beta - AVG (Moderator: MartinZ) » NEW: AVG Antivirus BETA




avast is here

Avast WEBforum » Avast support forums » Avast Free/Pro/IS/Premier » Beta - Avast (Moderators: igor, lukor, MartinZ, lukas.hasik, hectic-mmv, petr.chytil)


Title: Re: NEW: AVG Antivirus BETA
Post by: Para-Noid on December 15, 2016, 06:55:18 PM
@ Pondus

I edited my post from "child board" to "forum".
Title: Re: NEW: AVG Antivirus BETA
Post by: Pondus on December 15, 2016, 06:56:54 PM
 ;)
Title: Re: AVG Antivirus BETA 17.1
Post by: REDACTED on December 16, 2016, 06:03:35 AM
I don't how much time the AVAST guys take to add malwarrs to their definition. Submitted few samples a month ago. And it was confirmed that they were malicious but still no detection. The samples are detected by most antivirus including AVG. It will be helpful for everyone if AVAST can incorporate AVG Virus database. Also AVG sample submit portal do not work properly. For some files it returns an error message. AVAST should also have a similar portal where users can submit samples or URLs for analysis.
Title: Re: AVG Antivirus BETA 17.1
Post by: DavidR on December 16, 2016, 11:29:19 AM
I don't how much time the AVAST guys take to add malwarrs to their definition. Submitted few samples a month ago. And it was confirmed that they were malicious but still no detection. The samples are detected by most antivirus including AVG. It will be helpful for everyone if AVAST can incorporate AVG Virus database. Also AVG sample submit portal do not work properly. For some files it returns an error message. AVAST should also have a similar portal where users can submit samples or URLs for analysis.

This should be in the viruses and worms sub-forum, where it can be discussed. e.g. how it was submitted, what the detection was (any VirusTotal scan link), its file name, etc. etc. With no detailed information, there is no way anyone can really comment.
Title: Re: NEW: AVG Antivirus BETA
Post by: REDACTED on December 16, 2016, 04:29:11 PM
Hi
I live in Iran
We can use avast here and it updates well
But we can't use Avg because of boycott :(
What's the matter?
Please make it possible
Is not avg a part of avast?
Still no answer ::)
Title: Re: AVG Antivirus BETA 17.1
Post by: DavidR on December 16, 2016, 04:40:17 PM
Hi
I live in Iran
We can use avast here and it updates well
But we can't use Avg because of boycott :(
What's the matter?
Please make it possible
Is not avg a part of avast?
Still no answer ::)

I have no idea why you even able to get avast as it too is bound by the embargo on Iran.