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Title: I'm requesting that Polonus would be prevented from reposting stolen web content
Post by: logos on September 29, 2010, 11:08:49 AM
just a few examples:

http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=62745.msg544954#msg544954
http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=64051.msg544947#msg544947
http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=63995.msg544926#msg544926

and just to illustrate the first example, I'll repost that here (see screen shot too)

Hi forum users,

Another implication of Google's geo-location will concern content access: Of course, many countries (like the US) elected to extend their periods of copyright protection mandated in the Berne Convention. This means that while some nations adhere to the Convention’s minimum standards, there are wild variations in other places. For example, the song “Happy Birthday to You” is ostensibly copyrighted until 2030 in the United States (although that is a point of contention for some), but only until 2016 in the European Union.

This means that while the books Google’s scanning could be public domain in the country they are scanned in, they might not be public domain in the nation that the website is viewed in. By using location-based blocks, which won’t allow access to content in places where it is trademarked, Google can neatly sidestep any copyright infringement lawsuits. They also plan to provide links to purchase the content for viewers who are blocked.

While Google may be on the side of good against insane copyright extensions (95 years for music!), they surely don’t want to continue waging legal battles around the world. This makes it easy for Google to keep pace with the world’s rapidly shifting copyright laws. What the situation will be for the ACTA countries is to be seen. I think a lot of browser users do not know that the clamps are coming down unless you will find the right gates to search, re: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/h/4807

polonus


content stolen from here:
http://thenextweb.com/us/2010/02/17/google-locationbased-content-filter-patent/

(edit: if needed...the link given in reference in the quoted post has little or nothing to do with the content of what was copied and pasted from another web site >>> link I gave)


ps: on a side note, this was reported, not only to Avast admins, but also to the author of the article above. The guy (Polonus) doesn't quote, doesn't link, but just posts again and again stolen stuff, claiming the authorship of it. Sounds like he's been doing that for years here. How come he hasn't been stopped?

 Polonus I'm warning you: if Avast doesn't take action, I will keep hunting down your posts, I will find the original authors of the articles that you steal, and I will report you to them as many times as needed >>> is that clear? what you're doing here is illegal, okay, not to mention that it's a real shame.
Title: Re: I'm requesting that Polonus would be prevented from reposting stolen web content
Post by: Dreamy on September 29, 2010, 11:37:31 AM
just a few examples:

http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=62745.msg544954#msg544954
http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=64051.msg544947#msg544947
http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=63995.msg544926#msg544926

Polonus I'm warning you: if Avast doesn't take action, I will keep hunting down your posts, I will find the original authors of the articles that you steal, and I will report you to them as many times as needed >>> is that clear? what you're doing here is illegal, okay, not to mention that it's a real shame.

Logos,  :)

Have you tried private messaging Polonus in private about this so as to avoid it getting messy on the forums?

The information Polonus posts may not be his but i have found some of it very helpful. I do agree plagiarism is not the way to go. So perhaps a non confrontational message would achieve the desired purpose. (At least this way we can still receive these updates etc.

:)   
Title: Re: I'm requesting that Polonus would be prevented from reposting stolen web content
Post by: logos on September 29, 2010, 11:41:50 AM
there's nothing to expect through pm's from someone who's stealing the work from others shamelessly... when someone had done that during years, that means that he's personally fine with it ::)
Title: Re: I'm requesting that Polonus would be prevented from reposting stolen web content
Post by: Dreamy on September 29, 2010, 11:49:21 AM
Okay, tis understood....i was trying to help.

I am leaving this alone.

Later  :)
Title: Re: I'm requesting that Polonus would be prevented from reposting stolen web content
Post by: superhacker on September 29, 2010, 11:57:53 AM
Hi Logos what is bothering you from polonus?Coz he is the best and want every one to be secure or he make us more informed or just because he is the inspire source to us.
I don't see any thing wrong in what he do since no licence protect that Contenent and even if he just make us more informed.
Hey you can do that and believe me we will love you all ;)
Title: Re: I'm requesting that Polonus would be prevented from reposting stolen web content
Post by: logos on September 29, 2010, 12:07:18 PM
above post ignored ::)

 ...more incoming material if needed ;D ...just expecting some official reaction here :)
Title: Re: I'm requesting that Polonus would be prevented from reposting stolen web content
Post by: logos on September 29, 2010, 02:09:46 PM
tweeted ;)

http://twitter.com/logo_s/statuses/25876440175
Title: Re: I'm requesting that Polonus would be prevented from reposting stolen web content
Post by: drhayden1 on September 29, 2010, 02:25:24 PM
my 2 cents
polonus has helped out so many people including me on this forum
he doesn't deserve this type of treatment from anyone
this is a not cut throat forum its a forum to help out
this is the reason i don't post much here anymore because of shit like this
enough said
Title: Re: I'm requesting that Polonus would be prevented from reposting stolen web content
Post by: bob3160 on September 29, 2010, 02:38:34 PM
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this is a not cut throat forum its a forum to help out
+1
PM is the way to go.
Title: Re: I'm requesting that Polonus would be prevented from reposting stolen web content
Post by: logos on September 29, 2010, 02:44:55 PM
no way, not worth it >>> see screen shot. Besides and again, the guy has been doing that for years, he's not gonna stop after a pm conversation. To do such things you must have a very special way of thinking to believe that it's legit, and even go claim on other web sites (like Informaction) that you're the author, brag about it, be proud of it. I'm not discussing anything with that.
 And again, the only guy who's helping on the forums when it comes to serious system infections is Essexboy, while many others help with less serious issues or purely Avast software related issue. Polonus is not doing any of these things, so give me a break with that myth you want to believe in boys, thanks ;)

ps: as promised, a screenshot (removed)

@ drhayden1: I have - very quickly tbh - seen some of your very brilliant contributions on this forum  ;D
Title: Re: I'm requesting that Polonus would be prevented from reposting stolen web content
Post by: Omid Farhang on September 29, 2010, 02:59:40 PM
Logos, once a while you start threating different people.

If you have problem, solve it in private, I respect you and Polonus and I don't care where he find his article to post here. what's your problem?

Did he stolen anything from you? If not, so just report him to the source! it will be something between him and the source of his article... You should not do such thing against a well respected member!

By hitting people (as you did to me, Polonus and some other members) you will earn nothing.
Title: Re: I'm requesting that Polonus would be prevented from reposting stolen web content
Post by: logos on September 29, 2010, 03:05:22 PM
why do I have the feeling that this forum is in the hands of a couple of mafiosi-like members (users), giving the tone, protecting each other, not particularly competent...(one of them insulting new users on a regular basis and constantly posting off topic stuff)... but still present for years here...I mean if you guys are fine with that, web content robbery, xenophobia and if Avast gives implicitly the okay...go ahead, doesn't matter if it stinks, just don't breathe with your nose ;)
Title: Re: I'm requesting that Polonus would be prevented from reposting stolen web content
Post by: logos on September 29, 2010, 03:12:47 PM
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You should not do such thing against a well respected member!

oh... a well respected member who's been ripping off hundreds of web sites for years to repost the content here you mean, without quoting, without linking, and claiming to be the author...sure that must be a highly respectable person ;D
Title: Re: I'm requesting that Polonus would be prevented from reposting stolen web content
Post by: YoKenny on September 29, 2010, 03:18:33 PM
Logos, once a while you start threating different people.
That's his style!
By hitting people (as you did to me, Polonus and some other members) you will earn anything.
I respect Polonus's integrity.
Title: Re: I'm requesting that Polonus would be prevented from reposting stolen web content
Post by: logos on September 29, 2010, 03:26:57 PM

I respect Polonus's integrity.


I see... :D ... coming from someone as dirty as you are Yokenny I'm not surprised at all.

Title: Re: I'm requesting that Polonus would be prevented from reposting stolen web content
Post by: lukor on September 29, 2010, 04:37:57 PM
Logos, please stop with personal insults here on the forums! Otherwise we would have to ask you to stop posting completely.
Title: Re: I'm requesting that Polonus would be prevented from reposting stolen web content
Post by: logos on September 29, 2010, 04:46:45 PM
Logos, please stop with personal insults here on the forums! Otherwise we would have to ask you to stop posting completely.

will you ask Yokenny to stop insulting me , hey ??? sorry didn't hear well? what ??? where were you when he did, repeatedly and I was reporting him? hey? where? ...okay I wasn't expecting less from the Avast team than such a reaction. You can lock this thread now if you want. What's happening here ( web content theft on Avast forums ) doesn't matter as long as you can sleep in your labs I suppose, and the product sells well.

 And hey, good luck to you all ::)
Title: Re: I'm requesting that Polonus would be prevented from reposting stolen web content
Post by: lukor on September 29, 2010, 04:50:21 PM
Yokenny, could you please stop insulting Logos. Thanks.
Title: Re: I'm requesting that Polonus would be prevented from reposting stolen web content
Post by: logos on September 29, 2010, 05:12:41 PM
Yokenny, could you please stop insulting Logos. Thanks.

okay...  ;D

 ...as to the main object of this thread, I'll leave things "as is", expecting action. It's not my job after all to take care of integrity policies here on the forum. I'm just extremely shocked that you could allow this to happen, and for such a long time. And I obviously wouldn't have started the thread at all here if my previous reports about stolen articles had been taken into account, if at least my mails had been replied to...if some cleaning had been done to remove the posts and the threads containing stolen content, and there are hundreds.
Title: Re: I'm requesting that Polonus would be prevented from reposting stolen web content
Post by: drhayden1 on September 29, 2010, 06:14:59 PM
(http://i51.tinypic.com/iozqs3.jpg)
please :)
hope the matters will get resolved
more important things in life to worry about
everyone have a nice one :)
Title: Re: I'm requesting that Polonus would be prevented from reposting stolen web content
Post by: Marc57 on September 29, 2010, 07:32:56 PM
my 2 cents
polonus has helped out so many people including me on this forum
he doesn't deserve this type of treatment from anyone
this is a not cut throat forum its a forum to help out
this is the reason i don't post much here anymore because of s**t like this
enough said


Couldn't agree more Dan.
Title: Re: I'm requesting that Polonus would be prevented from reposting stolen web content
Post by: Chris Thomas on September 29, 2010, 09:54:02 PM
I guess, he copied and pasted what he wanted to convey.

If someone else has his viewpoint and has already written his viewpoint, he might have though that copying and pasting his viewpoint that was already written by someone might save some time and grammar.

Most of the ideas and things in this world, was invented by someone else, we just reverse engineer it and make it our own content.

For example:

I am sure, Jacob Friedman came to know about 'Google To Use Location-Based Content Filter Patent' from somewhere else . He just reverse engineered what he heard and added a few extras and wrote a magnificent article...

Just my opinion and another theory of life - I like inventing theories
Title: Re: I'm requesting that Polonus would be prevented from reposting stolen web content
Post by: anothermack on September 29, 2010, 11:26:35 PM
Hey guys,

As a non-musician I am not familiar with xenophobes or any other instrument for that matter, but if you guys want to let go of some aggression, I'm here to be kicked. I'm Belgian.

brgds
anothermack
Title: Re: I'm requesting that Polonus would be prevented from reposting stolen web content
Post by: CBell on September 30, 2010, 01:09:03 AM
Wow, nobody here agrees with logos? :o
No offense to him but, I say that polonus should cite his sources.
Title: Re: I'm requesting that Polonus would be prevented from reposting stolen web content
Post by: bob3160 on September 30, 2010, 01:17:19 AM
Wow, nobody here agrees with logos? :o
No offense to him but, I say that polonus should cite his sources.
Posting a link to the source might be easier. I personally don't think that's
always required but would probably be a good habit to get into. (Myself included!)
Title: Re: I'm requesting that Polonus would be prevented from reposting stolen web content
Post by: CBell on September 30, 2010, 02:39:04 AM
Yes bob, by citing the source I meant posting he link
Title: Re: I'm requesting that Polonus would be prevented from reposting stolen web content
Post by: drhayden1 on September 30, 2010, 04:29:26 AM
(http://i51.tinypic.com/iozqs3.jpg)
enough is enough
will this thread every stop
leave the matter alone and end it
more important things to do
starting to be like romper room on this forum
no harm intended my forum friends
just the truth
and most of you should know me by now
being on this forum for a while....
Title: Re: I'm requesting that Polonus would be prevented from reposting stolen web content
Post by: Lisandro on September 30, 2010, 04:34:07 AM
Always be yourself.
Because the people that matter, don’t mind.
And the ones that mind, don’t matter
Title: Re: I'm requesting that Polonus would be prevented from reposting stolen web content
Post by: drhayden1 on September 30, 2010, 04:35:50 AM
How true Sir Tech :)
Title: Re: I'm requesting that Polonus would be prevented from reposting stolen web content
Post by: Dch48 on September 30, 2010, 04:42:53 AM
If it's not copyrighted material, I don't see where the problem is. He's essentially doing the same thing we all do when we use the quote button in our posts. It's just that you can't quote from one site to another so the original poster isn't revealed. I really don't see what the big deal is.
Title: Re: I'm requesting that Polonus would be prevented from reposting stolen web content
Post by: sded on September 30, 2010, 05:00:55 AM
Everything you write (on the internet and elsewhere) is subject to your copyright.  See http://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html , for example.  One frequently used approach is the Creative Commons copyright, http://creativecommons.org/ , which allows those who want to use your material to do it in manners you specify.  At the very minimum, quoting material without attribution is plagiarism, as well as usually violating the copyright.  Websites normally warn about posting copyrighted material without permission, but not necessary.    So at least be careful to attribute material you copy from elsewhere.  Just because the moderators can't flunk your term paper doesn't mean you shouldn't follow the rules and legalities.
Title: Re: I'm requesting that Polonus would be prevented from reposting stolen web content
Post by: Darth.Mikey on September 30, 2010, 09:17:30 AM
For those of you that don't get what Logos is trying to say here(and i see many don't get it), read sded's reply and the links he provided, maybe that will make it more clearer for you. I've warned Polonus about this years ago. I generally don't have a problem with his posts as i know he only wants to spread knowledge but when someone is posting and quoting articles that he or she did not write themselves and not making it clear that he/she is not the author(no putting the text in quotes, no linking to the original source and just in general failing to mention these are not his own words/thoughts) that is like sded said at the very least plagiarism. I'm sorry but i have to agree with Logos here. Polonus i've asked you this in the past and i am asking you again, start using the quote tags and providing links to sources and if you would have done that waaaaay back when we first taught you about BBCode 6 yrs ago, there would have been no need for this thread. And there would not be that other incident that you had a few yrs ago(you know what i am talking about). I'm just trying to help you, start doing it the proper way and you won't ever have any problems because of this.
Title: Re: I'm requesting that Polonus would be prevented from reposting stolen web content
Post by: Vlk on September 30, 2010, 09:47:27 AM
Polonus, when quoting someone else's contents, please always give a credit to its original author (or better yet, just post a link to the original article instead of posting the contents).

Logos, thanks for raising the issue - although I strongly disagree with the style you have chosen to do it.

Thanks
Vlk


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