Avast WEBforum
Other => General Topics => Topic started by: MWassef on December 27, 2010, 03:30:19 PM
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http://www.majorgeeks.com/AVG_AntiVirus_Free_Edition_d886.html
Please note that while we still gladly offer AVG for download, recently AVG Free Edition has been breaking peoples computers, including both of the editors at Majorgeeks. We had a lot of difficulty removing and repairing our machines and we like to think we know what we are doing. After 10+ years we had to find a new anti-virus. Their new model seems to be a poorer quality free edition with an attempt to upsell to the paid versions. This is something we can not stand by and watch without warning you. We have had numerous emails as well from people who needed their computer fixed after a botched installation of AVG Free Edition. Other companies continue to offer free protection and we suggest you try those instead. I am currently using Panda Cloud anti-virus but Avast and Avira offer good, free protection. You might consider one of these alternatives. You'll thank us later.
We hope AVG makes a comeback in the free protection arena, an area we feel they had dominated all of these years.
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AVG False Positive against Malwarebytes' Anti-Malware 1.50.1
An AVG database update this morning (December 24, 2010) incorrectly detects two DLL files (mbamcore.dll and mbamnet.dll) in Malwarebytes' Anti-Malware 1.50.1 as trojans. This is a false positive. AVG has acknowledged this false positive, and has promised us that it will be corrected within an hour.
We are sorry for our users who are affected by this. It has happened before in the past, and AVG had assured us it would not happen again.
We are also aware that this incident has negatively affected our rating on CNET Download.com and other portals. We would appreciate if a few of our users would set the record straight.
http://forums.malwarebytes.org/index.php?showtopic=71130
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thnx for the info :)
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Their new model seems to be a poorer quality free edition with an attempt to upsell to the paid versions.
I've used AVG some months before avast, long time ago.
It was poorer than avast on configurability. avast has improved a lot its detection rate since then.
The AVG forum continues to be a junk.
I have no trust on Grisoft.
The model of making the free worse and worse to force the paid version is a continue bad movement from them. The update process of the free version used to be very very bad.
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thnx for the info :)
Well, thanks for your info, as well..!! :)
asyn
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The model of making the free worse and worse to force the paid version is a continue bad movement from them. The update process of the free version used to be very very bad.
It does make it easier for me to convince people to use avast!5 Free when I do the avast Security Seminars. :)
The fact that their current paid version is a system hog, doesn't hurt either. ;D
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Does anyone have any evidence that shows that the related issues have only happened to the users of their free AV, showing this as "an attempt to upsell to the paid versions"?
Thanks
P.S: Is avast! also free of such issues? I've seen problems being mentioned... and some people get BSODs, etc... So, what to say about it?
Also, the issues with AVG only occurred to people using Windows 64-bit. I guess it was just "an attempt to upsell to the paid versions", but only 64-bit version?
I'm not here as an AVG defender... or whatever I might be seen as... these issues should not happen with any vendor!... but such comments are ridiculous, in my opinion, when problems exist with every security vendor, without one single exception.
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the funny thing, when I posted it at AVG's forums. All they cared about was correcting my post (Grisoft to AVG Technologies), are they kidding me?
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the funny thing, when I posted it at AVG's forums. All they cared about was correcting my post (Grisoft to AVG Technologies), are they kidding me?
that tell us what there priority is.......and explains why this happend
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the funny thing, when I posted it at AVG's forums. All they cared about was correcting my post (Grisoft to AVG Technologies), are they kidding me?
Could you please post the link here..!?? Thanks..!
asyn
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Does anyone have any evidence that shows that the related issues have only happened to the users of their free AV, showing this as "an attempt to upsell to the paid versions"?
Thanks
P.S: Is avast! also free of such issues? I've seen problems being mentioned... and some people get BSODs, etc... So, what to say about it?
Also, the issues with AVG only occurred to people using Windows 64-bit. I guess it was just "an attempt to upsell to the paid versions", but only 64-bit version?
I'm not here as an AVG defender... or whatever I might be seen as... these issues should not happen with any vendor!... but such comments are ridiculous, in my opinion, when problems exist with every security vendor, without one single exception.
Most people that have gotten BSOD'S with the stable 5.0.667 version of avast have mostly been because of not thoroughly cleaning out previously use av's properly or some other configuration issue, i would say that the greater majority have no issue's with avast whatsoever.
The only thing i found surprising was that the editor's at majorgeek's were using such a crappy av in the first place.
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Does anyone have any evidence that shows that the related issues have only happened to the users of their free AV, showing this as "an attempt to upsell to the paid versions"?
Thanks
P.S: Is avast! also free of such issues? I've seen problems being mentioned... and some people get BSODs, etc... So, what to say about it?
Also, the issues with AVG only occurred to people using Windows 64-bit. I guess it was just "an attempt to upsell to the paid versions", but only 64-bit version?
I'm not here as an AVG defender... or whatever I might be seen as... these issues should not happen with any vendor!... but such comments are ridiculous, in my opinion, when problems exist with every security vendor, without one single exception.
Most people that have gotten BSOD'S with the stable 5.0.667 version of avast have mostly been because of not thoroughly cleaning out previously use av's properly or some other configuration issue, i would say that the greater majority have no issue's with avast whatsoever.
The only thing i found surprising was that the editor's at majorgeek's were using such a crappy av in the first place.
Well, whether it's crappy or not, it's an opinion you're entitled to have... but why should that same opinion apply to everyone else? I believe others are from the opinion avast! is crap as well... Is it a valid, generalized, opinion? No. :)
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Does anyone have any evidence that shows that the related issues have only happened to the users of their free AV, showing this as "an attempt to upsell to the paid versions"?
Thanks
P.S: Is avast! also free of such issues? I've seen problems being mentioned... and some people get BSODs, etc... So, what to say about it?
Also, the issues with AVG only occurred to people using Windows 64-bit. I guess it was just "an attempt to upsell to the paid versions", but only 64-bit version?
I'm not here as an AVG defender... or whatever I might be seen as... these issues should not happen with any vendor!... but such comments are ridiculous, in my opinion, when problems exist with every security vendor, without one single exception.
Most people that have gotten BSOD'S with the stable 5.0.667 version of avast have mostly been because of not thoroughly cleaning out previously use av's properly or some other configuration issue, i would say that the greater majority have no issue's with avast whatsoever.
The only thing i found surprising was that the editor's at majorgeek's were using such a crappy av in the first place.
Well, whether it's crappy or not, it's an opinion you're entitled to have... but why should that same opinion apply to everyone else? I believe others are from the opinion avast! is crap as well... Is it a valid, generalized, opinion? No. :)
Crappy does seem to be the generalised opinion of avg though and that is putting it nicely ;D
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Does anyone have any evidence that shows that the related issues have only happened to the users of their free AV, showing this as "an attempt to upsell to the paid versions"?
I was personally referring to:
1. The update process that was always degraded to free users (limited servers).
2. Limitation of automatic updates a day.
3. No translated interface to the free version. Although this is not security related.
4. Shields that were free passed to the paid version.
Need more?
P.S: Is avast! also free of such issues? I've seen problems being mentioned... and some people get BSODs, etc... So, what to say about it?
No, not a software is perfect. What we are referring is security related between free and paid.
Of course, neither AVG nor avast want bugs in the free version.
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And let's not forget this little problem in the first part of Dec.
AVG Update Cripples Users' Windows 7, Vista Computers
http://www.dailytech.com/AVG+Update+Cripples+Users+Windows+7+Vista+Computers/article20310.htm
Like Tech, I tried AVG years ago, Their product was bad and their forums were worse.
AND according to this, It was Malwarebytes, Quicktime, YouTube Downloader and Chrome that were being detected.
http://forums.avg.com/ww-en/avg-free-forum?sec=thread&act=show&id=139985
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http://forums.avg.com/ww-en/avg-free-forum?sec=thread&act=show&id=140093
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Does anyone have any evidence that shows that the related issues have only happened to the users of their free AV, showing this as "an attempt to upsell to the paid versions"?
I was personally referring to:
1. The update process that was always degraded to free users (limited servers).
2. Limitation of automatic updates a day.
3. No translated interface to the free version. Although this is not security related.
4. Shields that were free passed to the paid version.
Need more?
1. So, people who simply want something for free, are expecting to have the same features that people who actually pay for the better version? Makes any sense? No, it doesn't. Those who pay should/must be provided with better features. Those who don't pay... live with what you pay for, which is nothing.
2. Same as 1.)
3. What do you mean?
4. Maybe I am not understanding you. What shields, that once belonged to the free version, passed to the paid version? Isn't it the opposite situation? AVG made LinkScanner Free. AVG made Identity Protection free. AVG now added Anti-rootkit protection to the free version; along side with Identity Protection.
The only difference between the free and paid versions are the web shield.
So, which shields/components are you exactly talking about?
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Those who don't pay... live with what you pay for, which is nothing.
I am glad you do not run Avast!, then. ::)
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Those who don't pay... live with what you pay for, which is nothing.
I am glad you do not run Avast!, then. ::)
Neither AVG. ;D
Which gives me "advantage" of seeing what things are: problems exist for every security vendor. And, it also allows me not to criticize lack of features, when these features are part of a product, for free.
It also allows me say it wouldn't be fair for others who use AVG, to start saying AVAST is selling two products (the paid antivirus and the internet security package) that has a component called "Behavior Shield", which with version 5.0 did nothing at all. And, which version 5.1, won't do much than that either.
It's part of the free avast! AV as well, but it also part of the paid products, and those who pay for avast!, are paying for a product that says it has XYZ component to protect them against ABC threat, which does nothing, at all.
Now, how fair would this be? See, examples can be found everywhere.
Or, would it be fair to point this: http://www.avast.com/comparison-chart ?
It seems avast! free version has slower updates... so, why criticize how AVG provides the free version updates? It makes no sense.
The paid version has a sandbox... free version doesn't. So, why talking about the difference between AVG's free and paid products? Makes no sense.
It makes sense for the paid products to provide more features to those willing to pay for the product, being avast!, AVG, etc. It is what is suppose to be like. Or, should paid users have the same features as those who don't pay for it?
Heck, if you folks are avast! users and your friends/relatives too, then help make it a better product. Bashing one other product (which seems to be what is happening) won't make avast! be any better.
I have relatives with avast!, which is why I'm registered here... and if I see fit to provide some suggestion others haven't yet... or to enhance one... or post some issue one of them may be having, then I will... gladly.
What benefits would come out of such type of thread to avast! users? None. :)
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Be your points valid or not, you have chosen a poor venue to express them. ::)
Tech refers I believe to a habit of software vendors of releasing a feature rich free version, then taking things away from it, and moving them to pay versions after a customer base is established.
Something Avast! does not do.
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It seems avast! free version has slower updates... so, why criticize how AVG provides the free version updates? It makes no sense.
Apparently you don't seem to realize that there is a huge difference between the ability to update as often as six times per day and once per day.
Bashing one other product (which seems to be what is happening) won't make avast! be any better.
Since when is it bashing if you point out shortcomings of a product ???
You'll find many such posts on this forum about avast!.
Comparing one products abilities to another isn't bashing, it's simply pointing out straight facts. :)
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Be your points valid or not, you have chosen a poor venue to express them. ::)
Tech refers I believe to a habit of software vendors of releasing a feature rich free version, then taking things away from it, and moving them to pay versions after a customer base is established.
Something Avast! does not do.
And, I'm trying to understand which features are those? AVG hasn't take any away from their free AV. They have added features like LinkScanner, Identity Protection and Anti-Rootkit protecion.
So, how am I failing to express anything? It seems Tech is failing. He/She mentioned that AVG had features that were part of AVG Free version, and that now only are part of the paid products. This is not true.
Before AVG acquired Ewido antispyware, if memory still serves me they only had their AV and an on-demand anti-rootkit, I believe. After some time (I can't precise how long after it was.), AVG added the antispyware component to the free version as well.
Then, it came LinkScanner. They did the same: they added it to the free AV, as well. Then Identity Protection, which they added to the free AV, at the same time they added free full anti-rootkit protection.
So, saying that AVG has taken features away is a lie. They have added features to it.
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the funny thing, when I posted it at AVG's forums. All they cared about was correcting my post (Grisoft to AVG Technologies), are they kidding me?
Why is minacross clueless about upgading his PROFILE with 1234 posts ???
Plus m00nbl00d does not even show what country they are in ???
@ bob3160
It sure would help if you showed whom you are quoting. ;)
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It seems avast! free version has slower updates... so, why criticize how AVG provides the free version updates? It makes no sense.
Apparently you don't seem to realize that there is a huge difference between the ability to update as often as six times per day and once per day.
That is not true. A person using AVG AV Free can update as many times as he/she wishes. But, it is needed to update manually... I don't exactly recall... as I don't use it. But, it is not true that it only updates once a day.
Bashing one other product (which seems to be what is happening) won't make avast! be any better.
Since when is it bashing if you point out shortcomings of a product ???
You'll find many such posts on this forum about avast!.
Comparing one products abilities to another isn't bashing, it's simply pointing out straight facts. :)
When mentioning that AVG took features away from their free product, when it is exactly the opposite situation that is happening... I see it as bashing. Or, simply lack of knowledge of what a product had or not as part of its protection in past, when compared to what it is now. If it's the latter, then one should not say that AVG has taken away features from AVG AV Free... to get more paid users... because they have added more... not removed.
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Plus m00nbl00d does not even show what country they are in ???
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What is it with you and the profiles... and countries? It isn't the first time I see you coming with something like that?
Does, one mentioning from which country he/she is from/is living in, help avast! be a better product, help fix issues, bugs?
???
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Maybe you do not know what country you live in ???
You do not show your operating system nor Service Pack level.
You do not even know how to have an avatar ::)
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That is not true. A person using AVG AV Free can update as many times as he/she wishes. But, it is needed to update manually... I don't exactly recall... as I don't use it. But, it is not true that it only updates once a day.
Please stop comparing Apples to Oranges. There is a big difference between auto updates and manual updates.
Most users depend on auto updates.
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The thing here is that it's not just users on a forum complaining about AVG. Users who may have limited computer savvy and may have done something themselves that caused the problem. This is Majorgeeks, people who certainly know what they're doing and their opinion therefore carries a lot more weight. They obviously have been using the product for years and are well qualified to know how it has changed for the worse.
AVG used to be the best free solution available. I used to recommend it to people who did not want to pay for their protection. It never was up to snuff with the paid products such as Norton or even McAfee but it was a lot better than nothing at all. Nowadays, all I read are complaints about increasing bloat and ineffectiveness of the free product. I tried their Linkscanner once and it worked great as long as their servers were up but one day the servers went down and I was practically unable to browse at all. Norton's Safe Web is much better. Grisoft / AVG is rapidly losing it's position as a major player in the security field.
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Maybe you do not know what country you live in ???
You do not show your operating system nor Service Pack level.
You do not even know how to have an avatar ::)
I must have skipped or missed the part, when I registered here, that I was obligated to:
1. Mention my country
2. Mention my operating system and service pack version
3. Have an avatar
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That is not true. A person using AVG AV Free can update as many times as he/she wishes. But, it is needed to update manually... I don't exactly recall... as I don't use it. But, it is not true that it only updates once a day.
Please stop comparing Apples to Oranges. There is a big difference between auto updates and manual updates.
Most users depend on auto updates.
I'm not comparing anything. I merely stated that AVG doesn't only allow 1 update per-day to the users of their free product. How the update is done, is not of my concern, as I do not use it.
What's all the hype about it?
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Whoooo...I'm pooped! Someone yell "food fight"...Animal House! Very interesting thread....that's what I like about the Avast forum...real people! The best!
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m00nbl00d, being that you have stated that you do not use either avast or avg so you seem to not be in the position to answer or make statment's about either, you can try to do manual update's a few time's a day with avg but it wont get you anyware because they only release update's every 12 to 24 hour's the last time i used it anyway which was about two years ago, unless they have started to add more regular updating recently.
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By choice, I don't use AVG Free and do not pay for AVG Pro. However, thanks to a promotional offer by an AVG reseller, I do currently have a number of W7 laptops running sweetly with AVG 9.0 Pro.
Many of us here are former AVG users. Recently a couple of my friends with Outlook 2010 told me about serious compatibility problems with AVG 2011 Free.
They knew that I used avast! In answering their questions about AVG alternatives I did not neglect to tell them that avast! wasn't perfect, that they should make their own evaluation of the various options, including waiting for a fix from AVG.
In each case within the hour, both emailed me to say they had installed Avast! Free.
Why did they choose avast? It wasn't because I told them AVG was crap!
However sincerely and well-intentioned we may be in supporting avast! here, it can easily be misconstrued as fanboyism. So without making any comment on the merits of contributions by individuals in this discussion so far, can we please stick to the facts and avoid cheap shots.
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Why is minacross clueless about upgading his PROFILE with 1234 posts ???
what your talking about exactly?
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live with what you pay for, which is nothing
I live with avast, which respects the free users. Period.
3. What do you mean?
Free version did not allow languages. Did it change?
4. Maybe I am not understanding you. What shields, that once belonged to the free version, passed to the paid version? Isn't it the opposite situation? AVG made LinkScanner Free. AVG made Identity Protection free. AVG now added Anti-rootkit protection to the free version; along side with Identity Protection.
WebShield (in particular), antirootkit and gaming mode that we can have for free on avast.
http://www.sytru.com/compare/avg-free-antivirus-professional-internet-security
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It seems avast! free version has slower updates...
It's not.
The automatic update period is different.
The same servers updates the free and the pro.
so, why criticize how AVG provides the free version updates? It makes no sense.
Oh, it makes sense. AVG and Avira do not respect the free user regarding to updates: less servers, frequency and (with Avira), popups...
The paid version has a sandbox... free version doesn't. So, why talking about the difference between AVG's free and paid products? Makes no sense.
Stop talking it makes no sense. I'm not stupid and neither you are.
All the user needs to stay clean is on the free version. The protection is enough and you don't need to buy the pro.
If you need other services, like the firewall and sandbox, you can buy or even use other freeware products.
You can have a full suite for free if you want (CIS).
I'm talking about free users respect, which I do not see on AVG and Avira, pushing the paid product.
Bashing one other product (which seems to be what is happening) won't make avast! be any better.
Sure. I'm the first against fanboyism.
What benefits would come out of such type of thread to avast! users? None. :)
Stop posting them :)
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But, it is not true that it only updates once a day.
Automatically.
Or, simply lack of knowledge.
It could be. I'm trying to learn :)
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The thing here is that it's not just users on a forum complaining about AVG. Users who may have limited computer savvy and may have done something themselves that caused the problem. This is Majorgeeks, people who certainly know what they're doing and their opinion therefore carries a lot more weight. They obviously have been using the product for years and are well qualified to know how it has changed for the worse.
AVG used to be the best free solution available. I used to recommend it to people who did not want to pay for their protection. It never was up to snuff with the paid products such as Norton or even McAfee but it was a lot better than nothing at all. Nowadays, all I read are complaints about increasing bloat and ineffectiveness of the free product. I tried their Linkscanner once and it worked great as long as their servers were up but one day the servers went down and I was practically unable to browse at all. Norton's Safe Web is much better. Grisoft / AVG is rapidly losing it's position as a major player in the security field.
Well said.
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And, I'm trying to understand which features are those?
WebShield.
They have added features like LinkScanner, Identity Protection and Anti-Rootkit protecion.
The same did avast.
AVG added the antispyware component to the free version as well.
Same did avast.
So, saying that AVG has taken features away is a lie. They have added features to it.
What about WebShield?
I'm not lying. I'm the first who will rectify if I'm wrong.
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Seems we have a little friendly discussion about avast! vs. AVG.
Well... first at all, i wanna say that I'm not a fanboy of Avast! or something else... personally, i use Avast! cause i think it's the better AV (i have tested, of course) for my computer.
I used AVG. Yes... couple of years ago... it was very used and very well talked... but after that, other companies raised to the next level and that's why AVG it's falling apart on the free antivirus competition (gradually).
Why?
Because:
1. Avira have more detection rate but low on shields.
2. Avast! have more layers of protection, more configurable and the detection rate it's only 3%/5% under Avira.
So you see... AVG will have to create a 'miracle' to get out of this...
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Have a look on this last test of AV Comparatives.
http://www.av-comparatives.org/comparativesreviews/pua-tests (http://www.av-comparatives.org/comparativesreviews/pua-tests)
I wonder why "AVG decided to not get included in this report"... ::)
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I must have skipped or missed the part, when I registered here, that I was obligated to:
1. Mention my country
2. Mention my operating system and service pack version
3. Have an avatar
as a Jr. Member you have much to learn.
- 1. 99% of avast! forum users show their country
- 2. Most Jr. Members do not know how this helps other forum members with much knowledge provide meaningful assistance
- 3. Please read Avatar (computing), the graphical representation of a user
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avatar_(computing)
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I must have skipped or missed the part, when I registered here, that I was obligated to:
1. Mention my country
2. Mention my operating system and service pack version
3. Have an avatar
as a Jr. Member you have much to learn.
- 1. 99% of avast! forum users show their country
- 2. Most Jr. Members do not know how this helps other forum members with much knowledge provide meaningful assistance
- 3. Please read Avatar (computing), the graphical representation of a user
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avatar_(computing)
What does this have to do with the subject of this Thread ???
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Why is minacross clueless about upgading his PROFILE with 1234 posts ???
what your talking about exactly?
Go to PROFILE then Forum Profile Information in Modify Profile then Signature:
Signatures are displayed at the bottom of each post or personal message. BBC code and smileys may be used in your signature.
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I must have skipped or missed the part, when I registered here, that I was obligated to:
1. Mention my country
2. Mention my operating system and service pack version
3. Have an avatar
as a Jr. Member you have much to learn.
- 1. 99% of avast! forum users show their country
- 2. Most Jr. Members do not know how this helps other forum members with much knowledge provide meaningful assistance
- 3. Please read Avatar (computing), the graphical representation of a user
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avatar_(computing)
What does this have to do with the subject of this Thread ???
+1 ???
@ YoKenny please cool off you've bitten your own tongue for being a little to aggressive and a little to far on the edge, cool off YoKenny go and have a cold beer ;D and relax and smile ;D ;D ;D.
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@ YoKenny please cool off you've bitten your own tongue for being a little to aggressive and a little to far on the edge, cool off YoKenny go and have a cold beer ;D and relax.
Its a bit too early for a beer now but maybe I'll go looking for reruns of Crocodile Dundee or maybe change my avatar to him ;)
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m00nbl00d, being that you have stated that you do not use either avast or avg so you seem to not be in the position to answer or make statment's about either, you can try to do manual update's a few time's a day with avg but it wont get you anyware because they only release update's every 12 to 24 hour's the last time i used it anyway which was about two years ago, unless they have started to add more regular updating recently.
Just to clarify things: I mentioned I do not use either. I didn't mention I never used any. Actually, before installing anything into relative's systems, I test everything in virtual machines, and only then deploy them to their systems, by giving them the choice of which one fits better their needs. Some like AVG, others like avast!.
AVG allows free users to updates more than once a day. I do not remember a single day being otherwise. If updates were available, it would update. But, automatically, only once...
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live with what you pay for, which is nothing
I live with avast, which respects the free users. Period.
And, it's your right to do it so. Others pay for it. Others use other security vendor products. Why making such a big deal out of it?
3. What do you mean?
Free version did not allow languages. Did it change?
Since version 7, which was the version I first contacted with... I always have seen it in my own language version. So on... I really am not following? AVG provides the free version in the same languages it provides the paid products.
4. Maybe I am not understanding you. What shields, that once belonged to the free version, passed to the paid version? Isn't it the opposite situation? AVG made LinkScanner Free. AVG made Identity Protection free. AVG now added Anti-rootkit protection to the free version; along side with Identity Protection.
WebShield (in particular), antirootkit and gaming mode that we can have for free on avast.
http://www.sytru.com/compare/avg-free-antivirus-professional-internet-security
I already mentioned that the web scanner component was never part of AVG Free. They have added FULL anti-rookit protection to their free version in AVG 2011, and also Identity Protection full power (behavior blocker).
AVG has added features to AVG Free AV. They did not take any away from it. So, where are you getting that info?
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By the way, the link you provided... I couldn't see which version they compare. Is it 2011? If it is, is wrong... And, if it was accurate, then you had just point me a link that states the Free version also provides automatic updates every other minute:
Automatic updates download virus definition every couple of minutes
It has a check mark in this feature for the free version. So, believing the link you provided, you just prove that AVG does offer automatic updates, more than once a day, to their users.
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It seems avast! free version has slower updates...
It's not.
The automatic update period is different.
The same servers updates the free and the pro.
so, why criticize how AVG provides the free version updates? It makes no sense.
Oh, it makes sense. AVG and Avira do not respect the free user regarding to updates: less servers, frequency and (with Avira), popups...
The paid version has a sandbox... free version doesn't. So, why talking about the difference between AVG's free and paid products? Makes no sense.
Stop talking it makes no sense. I'm not stupid and neither you are.
All the user needs to stay clean is on the free version. The protection is enough and you don't need to buy the pro.
If you need other services, like the firewall and sandbox, you can buy or even use other freeware products.
You can have a full suite for free if you want (CIS).
I'm talking about free users respect, which I do not see on AVG and Avira, pushing the paid product.
Bashing one other product (which seems to be what is happening) won't make avast! be any better.
Sure. I'm the first against fanboyism.
What benefits would come out of such type of thread to avast! users? None. :)
Stop posting them :)
You keep mentioning respect to free users... as if any security vendor was forced to provide free security? If X person does not like what Y vendor as to offer... if they offer it for free... simply don't use it.
Why are people complaining over a free product, which they don't even use it? This is what makes no sense to me.
Do any security vendor have the obligation to provide security for free?
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I must have skipped or missed the part, when I registered here, that I was obligated to:
1. Mention my country
2. Mention my operating system and service pack version
3. Have an avatar
as a Jr. Member you have much to learn.
- 1. 99% of avast! forum users show their country
- 2. Most Jr. Members do not know how this helps other forum members with much knowledge provide meaningful assistance
- 3. Please read Avatar (computing), the graphical representation of a user
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avatar_(computing)
1. Again, I failed to understand how knowing the country where I'm from/where I'm living in, will help anyone solve any possible problem regarding avast!?
2. If you have interest in reading what I wrote behind, rather than just come in like some knight, you'd see me mentioning I don't use avast! (I do have relatives who use it, hence I registered here.); therefore mentioning my O.S and S.P., would be of no use, at all.
3. Again, I failed to understand what usefulness a freaking avatar brings to solving issues with avast!? Does a little shinning - or whatever - image/picture solve any problem? Make us be better people... or whatever you believe it makes you be?
Seriously, if you have nothing better to add to the thread... don't.
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m00nbl00d
Please, enough already stop spamming this forum.
Your starting to sound like a broken record and still aren't answering specifics.
We know you like AVG so why not talk to other folks on their forum who seem to have a tough time
continuing to feel the same way you do.
Here's a nice comparison of what's offered by the top 4 Free antivirus programs and it speaks for itself.
(Click image to enlarge)
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I agree with bob.
And the thing i don't like it's fanboys... ;)
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Right folks. Whatever makes you feel better with yourselves.
If clarifying something that was being said by another person (Maybe Tech has been reading the wrong info. Nothing against it.), makes me a fan-boy of a product I don't even personally use... OK.
I guess that saying bad things about one other security product/vendor, in a forum belonging to one other security vendor, when such things aren't true... I guess you're just showing your love. Not being fanboys, right? I'm not the one bashing avast! over AVG forum. It's an avast! user bashing AVG over their forum as well. A link was even provided here.
Whatever...
My initial question was: Where are the evidences that AVG ripped off features from the free version to upsell their paid security products?
No one has managed to provide them. All I tried was to clarify a few facts that one user believed to be the accurate ones, when they're not. If it's a crime... so be it.
But, no one has managed to show me evidence of such practice from AVG's side. If someone says this, they better provide facts about it. It would be interesting to know about it. I respect AVG the same way I respect AVAST, and if any of them would do what was mentioned about AVG, they would lose my respect. So, this is why I want to know where are the evidences of such? Because, everything I research and test, points me in the opposite situation.
Bye bye
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1. Again, I failed to understand how knowing the country where I'm from/where I'm living in, will help anyone solve any possible problem regarding avast!?
nah, it will help YoKenny to troll you based on the country you live in.
Also, hey! Don't leave! At least you make sense, unlike "99% of avast forum users" ::)
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m00nbl00d
Please, enough already stop spamming this forum.
Your starting to sound like a broken record and still aren't answering specifics.
We know you like AVG so why not talk to other folks on their forum who seem to have a tough time
continuing to feel the same way you do.
Here's a nice comparison of what's offered by the top 4 Free antivirus programs and it speaks for itself.
(Click image to enlarge)
Bob, please don't say I'm spamming this forum, because it is not true, and you know it. I'm just clarifying a few facts that weren't accurate, and trying to understand where people find such information; and also where are the evidences of what AVG is doing, according to some. Because, if it is true, they'll lose my respect.
Also, you guys don't seem to know what is part of what.
In your comparison table, you show AVG Free has having a Web shield component. It doesn't have one. **
Then, you mention that it doesn't have a behavior shield component. It has one.
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Also, I was never comparing avast! versus AVG. I just pointed out that is stupid to make comparisons. Each security vendor knows what must be offered or not for free, or just paid. If we, as the people using security software (whatever that may be), don't feel OK with it, let's use something different. That's why some prefer avast!, others AVG, others Avira, etc... Others feel it's worth paying for the extra stuff. It's just like that.
** What it does have, is an URL scanner: LinkScanner, which will prevent exploits. But, not infections against known malware, like avast!'s Web Shield. (Again, I'm not comparing... Just stating what one has and what the other doesn't. In this case, avast! has it. That's great! Thank you AVAST!)
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Could somebody please called the 'Fireman' as this posted 'Bad move Grisoft' is already on fire and it getting out of control here :-\
Thank you :-\
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m00nbl00d, thanks for clarifying me some ideas I had about AVG. I have no trouble on learning.
Bob, thanks for the chart, very illustrating.
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Guys, time to chill out.
Before closing this thread, a few things worth mentioning.
- I personally welcome anyone on this forum to express his opinion on any product, avast including (be it good or bad). Most of the users hanging around here on the avast forum try to defend the avast product, of course, as it's what they use and what they usually consider the best. However, if anyone prefers another product he's free to express such an opinion here.
- I actually think that the points risen by m00nbl00d are mostly valid, and not controversial.
- Regarding the table Bob posted. This is actually taken from an older avast official presentation. Today's AVG LinkScanner is somewhat equivalent to avast's WebShield (originally, it was only about exploits but was extended to broader classes of malware afterwards) so I'd say it's fair to say that AVG does have a Web Shield like feature. Behavior Shield (or equivalent) was added to AVG Free in version 2011 (the former Sana product aka AVG IDP) so the table should indeed be updated. OTOH, the one line of the table that I find strange is the Boot-time scanner - AFAIK avast is the only product that has such a feature.
- YoKenny, please refrain from flooding the threads with requests to add custom signatures, avatars, country flags etc... while having a computer specification in the signature may be helpful when solving some technical issues, for most of the threads you're doing it in it doesn't really matter at all.
- I think the point of the original poster was just to inform the people here on our forum that MajorGeeks is abandoning AVG (a similar thread was also started over at Wilders, DSLreports and other security-related forums). It's certainly an interesting move from MajorGeeks, and maybe also a slight opportunity for us to acquire some new (ex-AVG) users. But nothing more... no one is trying to mock a competing product.
Thanks
Vlk
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MajorGeeks is abandoning AVG
Why?
Do you have a link for the Wilders... It's a big forum :)
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MajorGeeks is abandoning AVG
Why?
Do you have a link for the Wilders... It's a big forum :)
http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=285172&page=5
See post #102 and on...
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A point to note in continuation of this thread http://en.community.dell.com/support-forums/virus-spyware/f/3522/p/19354908/19784369.aspx#19784369
When I clean a machine that has AVG and the use of Combofix is called for, AVG must be fully installed or combofix will not run, as the interference from AVG can cause damage to the system files and render the system unbootable. Turning it off will not work as AVG has a few low level drivers that will not turn off
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AVG does have a Web Shield like feature. Behavior Shield (or equivalent) was added to AVG Free in version 2011
One more note.
While I was in Arizona doing the avast! security seminars, almost every person using AVG 2011 complained that the new version
is extremely system intensive. Something they never ran into with the previous version.
These aren't my words but something I was told repeatedly since most of the folks I talked to where AVG users.
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AVG does have a Web Shield like feature. Behavior Shield (or equivalent) was added to AVG Free in version 2011
One more note.
While I was in Arizona doing the avast! security seminars, almost every person using AVG 2011 complained that the new version
is extremely system intensive. Something they never ran into with the previous version.
These aren't my words but something I was told repeatedly since most of the folks I talked to where AVG users.
That was also my experience with AVG 2011 on 7 64bit.
Fortunately I uninstalled it just before the bad definition update.
And fortunately I wasn't online when when avast! had it's bad definition fiasco.
Everyone makes mistakes.
I'm really good at making mistakes, I've had lot of experience making them. ;D ;D ;D
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http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=285172&page=5
See post #102 and on...
Thanks Vlk.
But it was too much wine in the dinner... I'll try to read it tomorrow. I'm asleep :)
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Before closing this thread, a few things worth mentioning.
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It's not closed...
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AVG does have a Web Shield like feature. Behavior Shield (or equivalent) was added to AVG Free in version 2011
One more note.
While I was in Arizona doing the avast! security seminars, almost every person using AVG 2011 complained that the new version
is extremely system intensive. Something they never ran into with the previous version.
These aren't my words but something I was told repeatedly since most of the folks I talked to where AVG users.
Interesting, i've had no problems running AVG 2011 on weak netbook. But there were other massive problems with it so even if it works fine it's not too good.
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- I think the point of the original poster was just to inform the people here on our forum that MajorGeeks is abandoning AVG (a similar thread was also started over at Wilders, DSLreports and other security-related forums). It's certainly an interesting move from MajorGeeks, and maybe also a slight opportunity for us to acquire some new (ex-AVG) users. But nothing more... no one is trying to mock a competing product.
Thanks
Vlk
Exactly what I had in my mind.
Thanks,
Mina