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Avast not detecting old MS-DOS viruses! Why?
« on: November 02, 2014, 05:16:37 PM »
I tested downloading MS-DOS viruses from http://vx.org.ua/ to test if Avast detects any of these.

It didn't detect any of the ones I had downloaded. But I downloaded an old version of F-PROT for MS-DOS and it found the viruses I had downloaded.

Please fix this, because in my opinion Avast should also be able to detect old viruses.

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Re: Avast not detecting old MS-DOS viruses! Why?
« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2014, 05:33:48 PM »
Most Dos virus only exist in collections (like the old vx collection) ...they are not out in the wild,  and most dont work on new OS


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Re: Avast not detecting old MS-DOS viruses! Why?
« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2014, 07:27:35 PM »
in my opinion Avast should also be able to detect old viruses.
Why?  Are you running any old MS-DOS systems?

No?  Do you know anyone who is?

I know I don't want my system running more slowly (or detecting more false positives) because Avast is checking for viruses that can't possibly infect it.

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Re: Avast not detecting old MS-DOS viruses! Why?
« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2014, 08:55:07 PM »
Actually I'm still occasinally using MS-DOS and also download different old programs several times a week, so I would like to be sure that they also clean. If Avast is not going to make any improvements to this, then I have to test if some other modern antivirus will work better.

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Re: Avast not detecting old MS-DOS viruses! Why?
« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2014, 09:34:28 PM »
No modern av will detect them.
There is no need for it anymore.

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Re: Avast not detecting old MS-DOS viruses! Why?
« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2014, 10:08:51 PM »
modern AV that does not support old OS will most likely not detect virus that dont work on new OS

all AV vendors know about the VX site, if they need any samples from there they would go an pic
all those samples at VX have also been scanned at Virustotal, so all AV vendors listed at VT have already seen those samples

so you test those samples at VT and see who still detect and how old they are   ;)

First submission 2008-09-12 23:46:32 UTC ( 6 years, 1 month ago )
https://www.virustotal.com/nb/file/8d8436053ab3a1a4753cf45a7f8dc76feae059db78d02cbd757570afde7c9e53/analysis/

First submission 2006-08-06 03:32:08 UTC ( 8 years, 3 months ago )
https://www.virustotal.com/en/file/fd610152696dd0c0fa53f7c5c630adee910005e9cf07027ecb6023304a72cfd8/analysis/











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Re: Avast not detecting old MS-DOS viruses! Why?
« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2014, 10:33:36 PM »
No modern av will detect them.
There is no need for it anymore.

But if people still using them and willing to pay for protection, then why not?
old AV that still support old OS will most likely detect


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Re: Avast not detecting old MS-DOS viruses! Why?
« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2014, 10:36:57 PM »
Old antivirus?
AV = AntiVirus program
OS = Operating System (win 3.11 / win95 / win98 / winXP ...... )



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Re: Avast not detecting old MS-DOS viruses! Why?
« Reply #8 on: November 02, 2014, 10:42:17 PM »
I know what Av mean big boi, but do you know any old av?
ClamWin is a Free Antivirus program for Microsoft Windows 8/ 7 / Vista / XP / Me / 2000 / 98 and Windows Server 2012, 2008 and 2003.

you need to install Clam Sentinel to get realtime protection


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Re: Avast not detecting old MS-DOS viruses! Why?
« Reply #9 on: November 03, 2014, 12:25:56 AM »
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But if people still using them and willing to pay for protection, then why not?
Why wasting time, money, resources just for a handful of people? If people are willing to pay for it... Hmm I guess they will have to pay around $10.000 or something per license to make the developers break even.

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Re: Avast not detecting old MS-DOS viruses! Why?
« Reply #10 on: November 03, 2014, 03:10:11 AM »
Avast! has moved alot of these detections to the cloud.So Avast will detect them when executed by filerep or deepscreen.But again detecting these old baddies is useless most of them are not existant right now.

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Re: Avast not detecting old MS-DOS viruses! Why?
« Reply #11 on: November 03, 2014, 04:18:14 PM »
I tested today with other settings in Avast, but it didn't find anything at all.

F-Secure found old viruses with basic settings, so I have to consider moving to it.

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Re: Avast not detecting old MS-DOS viruses! Why?
« Reply #12 on: November 03, 2014, 05:34:39 PM »
No modern av will detect them.
There is no need for it anymore.

Quite a statement......again. Bitdefender does detect them.

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Re: Avast not detecting old MS-DOS viruses! Why?
« Reply #13 on: November 08, 2014, 11:49:36 PM »
I can confirm we removed the detection of most "extinct" viruses, including those for MS-DOS, starting Avast 2014. This helped us save a few tens of megabytes of RAM usage.
There's no immediate plans to change that.
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Re: Avast not detecting old MS-DOS viruses! Why?
« Reply #14 on: November 09, 2014, 11:34:53 AM »
How about adding an option to Avast settings for these? To save RAM usage, it could be disabled by default, but if users wanting more protection, then it could be enabled.

There are many ways to handle this, but I don't think this should be removed totally.