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Deeply disapointed of Kerio 4.0.7
« on: November 17, 2003, 01:37:47 AM »
I'll edit this post as soon as posible...
I'm in danger  >:(

I decided to have a look on Kerio 4.0.7.

I tryed to install Kerio without desinstalling ZoneAlarm.
The setup alert me of an incompatibility.
I give up. Desinstall ZoneAlarm, Boot and install Kerio 4.0.7.

On the next boot I receive an error message (The service could not be connected or something like this).
avast! freezes (icon stop to swirl).

I manually start the Kerio service and firewall seemed to work.
Each 5 seconds the firewall ask me for rights to access the Internet. I was calm and answering with logic...

Suddenly, the system starts to SHUTDOWN  :o
I have indeed a shortcut on keyboard to do so, but I have to use both hands (Ctlr+Alt+Page down) and my hand was in the mouse!

The shutdown was forced, I lost my work  >:(
Next boot, Kerio alert the same service trouble described above.

I GIVE UP!!!  >:(

Roxio GoBack save my day again  8)

I know it could be a trouble about ZoneAlarm desinstallation but nothing was alerted or adviced before Kerio start to mess my system. I know this is a good firewall (many high users of avast! forum recommended it in the past). But not for me.

I went back to my beloved ZoneAlarm  ;D

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Re:Deeply disapointed of Kerio 4.0.7
« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2003, 03:53:35 AM »
Hmm... I hadn't actually kept up with Kerio's new releases. I still use Kerio PF 2.1.5. It's simple, flexible and stable. For me the best part is that it's only a packet filtering firewall.

It looks like they've now gone down the bloatware road by making PF an all-in-one application. This annoys me no end. It's a firewall... it's NOT an ad-blocker, cookie filter etc etc!!!

It also looks like they've tried to make it more accessible to the "average" user with their "permit/ask/deny" table (similar to ZoneAlarm). It was precisely to get away from that over-simplicity that I went for Kerio in the first place. They've left in the ability to specify more complex packet filter rules, but I fear that in adding so much extra functionality it's going to take a while before the whole thing becomes stable enough to use.

I'd recommend trying to find a copy of 2.1.5 if you really want to use Kerio PF. Otherwise you'll probably have a wait for a few more revisions of the 4 series in order for it to settle down.

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Re:Deeply disapointed of Kerio 4.0.7
« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2003, 03:57:59 AM »
Hmm... I hadn't actually kept up with Kerio's new releases. I still use Kerio PF 2.1.5. It's simple, flexible and stable. For me the best part is that it's only a packet filtering firewall.

It looks like they've now gone down the bloatware road by making PF an all-in-one application. This annoys me no end. It's a firewall... it's NOT an ad-blocker, cookie filter etc etc!!!

It also looks like they've tried to make it more accessible to the "average" user with their "permit/ask/deny" table (similar to ZoneAlarm). It was precisely to get away from that over-simplicity that I went for Kerio in the first place. They've left in the ability to specify more complex packet filter rules, but I fear that in adding so much extra functionality it's going to take a while before the whole thing becomes stable enough to use.

I'd recommend trying to find a copy of 2.1.5 if you really want to use Kerio PF. Otherwise you'll probably have a wait for a few more revisions of the 4 series in order for it to settle down.

Maybe someday I will install my 'old' 2.1.5 setup file, which I still have in my HDD. Thanks for your reply. Now, ZoneAlarm starts to ask for 'server' rights and 'accept connections from the Internet'. I have this trouble in the past but I did not remember how I get out from it  :'(
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Re:Deeply disapointed of Kerio 4.0.7
« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2003, 03:58:28 AM »
You just experienced one of the many issues that keeps people on 2.1.5 which by comparison is way more complicated to use seemingly random errors across users.   I have many comments on other security issues, but I think the blue screen says it all.  

Don't get me wrong Kerio 4 might one day be good, but right now its not good enough to move from your other firewall.

Not to mention the features better be pretty darn good to get me to commit more than the 4 megs required by kerio 2 in my config.

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Re:Deeply disapointed of Kerio 4.0.7
« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2003, 04:01:05 AM »
I recommend BlackICE PC Protection I have ran it for 5 years and no Problems  ;D $40 to buy $20 a year renewal (or get from kazaa for free I pay because it so good)
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Re:Deeply disapointed of Kerio 4.0.7
« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2003, 04:23:12 AM »
i've tried kerio version 4 too....it really suxzz.. >:(

not recommended....

by the way...where can i get kerio version 2?... ;D
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Re:Deeply disapointed of Kerio 4.0.7
« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2003, 04:29:01 AM »
by the way...where can i get kerio version 2?... ;D

It's still available on their download site: http://www.kerio.com/dwn/kpf/

Or, more specifically, http://www.kerio.com/dwn/kpf/kerio-pf-2.1.5-en-win.exe
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Re:Deeply disapointed of Kerio 4.0.7
« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2003, 04:31:49 AM »
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It's still available on their download site: http://www.kerio.com/dwn/kpf2-en-win.exe

oic...thks mate....i didn't notice it... ;D
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Re:Deeply disapointed of Kerio 4.0.7
« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2003, 04:57:19 AM »
Technical,

I tried Kerio 4.0.7 last week.  Every half hour or so, it would give me an error message "can't contact server".  Couldn't connect to internet or get email.  Would have to reboot.  I went to Kerio's forums and found this to be a major bug.  See http://forums.kerio.com/index.php?t=msg&th=21&start=0&S=42dbe03cfcff87ce518b16cf460ec5c8, http://forums.kerio.com/index.php?t=msg&th=59&start=0&S=42dbe03cfcff87ce518b16cf460ec5c8, and http://forums.kerio.com/index.php?t=msg&th=48&start=0&S=42dbe03cfcff87ce518b16cf460ec5c8.   >:(

I also went back to Zone Alarm.   ;)
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Re:Deeply disapointed of Kerio 4.0.7
« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2003, 06:39:07 AM »
Kerio 4.07 isn't any good at all.  Tiny 5.1.1242 is excellent, but it isn't free, only runs on XP/2000 & it's not for beginners.  Trying it out as a replacement for  
Kerio 2.1.5 which will soon be outdated.

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Re:Deeply disapointed of Kerio 4.0.7
« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2003, 10:12:23 PM »
Like i said before will someone else try blackice?
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Re:Deeply disapointed of Kerio 4.0.7
« Reply #11 on: November 19, 2003, 02:21:39 AM »
Technical,

I tried Kerio 4.0.7 last week.  Every half hour or so, it would give me an error message "can't contact server".  Couldn't connect to internet or get email.  Would have to reboot.  I went to Kerio's forums and found this to be a major bug.  See http://forums.kerio.com/index.php?t=msg&th=21&start=0&S=42dbe03cfcff87ce518b16cf460ec5c8, http://forums.kerio.com/index.php?t=msg&th=59&start=0&S=42dbe03cfcff87ce518b16cf460ec5c8, and http://forums.kerio.com/index.php?t=msg&th=48&start=0&S=42dbe03cfcff87ce518b16cf460ec5c8.   >:(

I also went back to Zone Alarm.   ;)

Thanks bbfi. I applaud you for your effort... Anyway I won't go to Kerio's forum and try to solve the 'major bugs' of it. I won't try Kerio 2.1.5 anyway. Just listen what beast99 said: it will be outdated soon. I won't try a software that I know it's now, in the present, a bloatware (a related post is here. A firewall all-in-one application: an ad-blocker, cookie filter, trojan detector and so on... Sorry, I won't wast my time. What will happen if some thread must be updated? Will I have to get version 4.0.7 or latter again? Definitively, not. I went back to ZoneAlarm like you  ;)
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Re:Deeply disapointed of Kerio 4.0.7
« Reply #12 on: November 19, 2003, 03:07:36 AM »
black ice has a firewall and an IDS. it has application protection like any other firewall but you can choose not to install it.
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Re:Deeply disapointed of Kerio 4.0.7
« Reply #13 on: November 19, 2003, 05:10:23 AM »
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I won't try Kerio 2.1.5 anyway. Just listen what beast99 said: it will be outdated soon.

I'm not trying to say you should try it and I'm not recommending any firewall at all here.   What I will say though is that the way the firewalls work mean a lot.   Firewalls that rely on IDS or Application rules can generally be more prone to becoming out dated.   But if you are talking about strict port blocking.   That doesn't change a whole lot no matter what the exploit.   As long as the firewall has the ability to control the ports on a given OS it is capable of doing its job.   It all becomes a different story when you move to a newer version of windows, but this is not like an antivirus or spyware detection.  If an application can block traffic on port 135 in windows xp today it can do it 5 years from now.   When you start talking about detecting bad traffic is where you start opening a new bag of worms.  

Point being for me looking at firewalls I like to find out what options they hide from me for simplicity.  But again this is not me trying to advocate any firewall, but me simply saying that straight firewalls don't become dated as fast as things the rely on scanning or detecting.    So believe or dis-believe its my 2 cents.

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Re:Deeply disapointed of Kerio 4.0.7
« Reply #14 on: November 19, 2003, 06:18:02 AM »
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Thanks bbfi. I applaud you for your effort...
My pleasure.  It seems that a lot of people are getting ticked off with Kerio for this buggy firewall 4.0.7 they produced.  Some people have comed up with work-arounds, but so far the company is silent about this problem.   >:(

I came upon the NTFS Forum (from Kerio's Forum) which lead me to the following info.  Computer Associates are offering the eTrust EZ Armor Security Suite http://www.my-etrust.com/microsoft/index.cfm? for FREE for 1 year to Microsoft users.  I decided to give it a try since it is free for a year.   :)

The firewall appears to be Zone Alarm Pro 3.7.211 but is called EZ Firewall.  The Anti Virus is eTrust EZ Antivirus Personal Edition.  Both are working fine on my system and use very few system resources (16,352K for the firewall and TrueVector service and 2,132K for the Anti Virus).   :D

I tried quite a few of the sites for port scans, etc. with all perfect results with few modifications to the firewall.  The Anti Virus appears to work as well as AVG 6 Free and seems to be better with its alerts.  (I still think that Avast has the best email alerts and checking around).   ;)

So I will use this setup and see what happens.  So far I am impressed.  And by the way, EZ Firewall works with VisualZone for displaying detailed information about attacks (if you are into that sort of thing).  If you don't have VisualZone, it can be downloaded for free at http://www.visualizesoftware.com/.   ;D
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