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Re: Goodbye
« Reply #75 on: June 09, 2006, 07:48:15 PM »
Hi RejZoR,

That is disturbing, and what about packers. Do they detect these, and polymorphic nasties? Just wishful thinking cannot make an AV solution outstanding.

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Re: Goodbye
« Reply #76 on: June 10, 2006, 12:01:36 PM »
....We're working on a backend infrastructure that would greatly improve the submission (and confirmation) process....

Looking forward to that, but may i ask about the approximate time frame for which we can expect to see these improvements?

PS. While I respect everyone's right to choose whatever AV product he likes I don't really think this is the place to promote it here. "Join the Comodo revolution" is a phrase that you can post on your homepage - but hardly on the avast forum... :-\

I fully agree with you there Vlk....

My hats off to you for being so tolerant to Justin's continuing advertising of a rival product on avast! support forums....
I don't mind discussing other security products not at all i even encourage it but what some here are doing is considered ADVERTISING(in my book at least)... And that makes a person think about their motives.....

Just my 2 cents worth...

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Re: Goodbye
« Reply #77 on: June 10, 2006, 12:19:04 PM »
Does this come under the heading of "The Long Goodbye"  :-*

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Re: Goodbye
« Reply #78 on: June 10, 2006, 02:11:05 PM »
6 pages of advertising and all for FREE. Not bad. Especially for a program that's not yet ready
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Re: Goodbye
« Reply #79 on: June 10, 2006, 02:23:50 PM »
Hi bob3160,

Yep Bob, that is the way it is to-day, and how things are done and created for the ignorants. People are not going after facts anymore, they do not make up their own minds, they are herded in another way. I like avast for what I have got, and what I experienced through it, not because of what others say or what a general opinion is.
I make up my mind considering real benefits for me, not because some state it is a benefit, or backleg.

To-day we live in an era of sugary sweet words create you your fanboys, and fanboys do your work for ye, they would even go to the length of filling your viruspools  for you, so you have the best product. I do not come from such a world, and I will never get accustomed to it. The one that repeats often enough with authority always is right, but is that so? Think twice again.

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Re: Goodbye
« Reply #80 on: June 10, 2006, 05:16:18 PM »
... and what about packers.

Melih-Comodo's May 17. 06 response to RejZoR on the Wilders Security forum is excerpted below

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Originally Posted by RejZoR
Melih, can you name just few packers that are already supported by Comodo AV ? Also do you already detect Polip/Polipos? Last time i checked it was still not detected. If not, let me know and i'll send 2 samples.


RejZoR

We have a support for 4 main ones at the moment (i don't know which ones top of my head but can find out if you like (i know one is UPX :-) ). we have a team of people working on writing around 27 different unpackers but will take time.
Please do send me the samples so that we can analyse it. Much appreciate it.

We are also extending our Heruistic engine to catch viruses without signatures, any help is appreciated.

thanks
Melih"


The thread is here:  http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=130055&page=3

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Re: Goodbye
« Reply #81 on: June 10, 2006, 05:54:11 PM »
Isn't this thread which is advertising an inferior product ever going to fizzle out????   ??? :'( ???
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Re: Goodbye
« Reply #82 on: June 10, 2006, 06:24:06 PM »
Isn't this thread which is advertising an inferior product ever going to fizzle out???? ??? :'( ???

Ok, how's this?

Comodo = 4 packers claimed
Avast! = 25 packers for sure

Proving once again that avast! is 6.25 times better than the competition.

I'm done now.

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Re: Goodbye
« Reply #83 on: June 10, 2006, 07:38:36 PM »
avast! also uses working and proven emulator. I don't think Comodo has one (thats why no Polip/Zmist detection)...
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Re: Goodbye
« Reply #84 on: June 10, 2006, 10:00:34 PM »
Maybe this goodbye thread has ended?  :)


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Re: Goodbye
« Reply #85 on: June 11, 2006, 06:31:05 AM »
Yep Bob, that is the way it is to-day, and how things are done and created for the ignorants. People are not going after facts anymore, they do not make up their own minds, they are herded in another way.
What exactly are you implying here?  That people who switch from avast to comodo are ignorant?

Comodo has stated several times that their product (anti virus) is currently in its BETA stages.  So, why are we comparing an Antivirus (Avast!) that is currently at 4.x and Comodo which is currently at 1.x -- and I think it's changing to 0.x?  This thread isn't really stating that Comodo is superior to Avast (currently), it's stating that Avast is going downhill -- which I agree with.

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Re: Goodbye
« Reply #86 on: June 11, 2006, 09:51:32 AM »
This thread isn't really stating that Comodo is superior to Avast (currently), it's stating that Avast is going downhill -- which I agree with.

There are up and down periods in development and maintenance of every software project.  that doesn't mean the software is headed for a downward spiral.  :)  Yes those up and down periods can last quite a while and seem to be heading for the worse, but I don't think that's what's happening.

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Re: Goodbye
« Reply #87 on: June 11, 2006, 12:01:37 PM »
Well problem is that lately avast! is going just down and thats not just a small gap in developement. Look what they did with AntiVir? It was launched at the top of AV solutions from quiet mediocre AV solution (AntiVir 6). Everyone is implimentig some form of strong heuristics/behavior blockers. Nothing in avast!. Everyone is making more regular updates. Not avast!. Better submission system? Not avast!. Faster samples adding. Still nothing. Sure detection isn't all but how am i suppose to defend avast! as good home solution if i'm getting flooded with "avast! missed this, avast! missed that" all the time lately? Or it detected but can't clean at all.
Then they try Kaspersky and see that it detected all and also cleaned all. Bye bye avast! and they're gone to KAV. Or BitDefender and lately even AntiVir which is clearly becoming superior against avast!. It's time to act before it'll be too late imo. I mean people are running away from avast! to Comodo AV which is not ready yet and they're more happy? Somethings seriously wrong with the way how Alwil is currently working...
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Re: Goodbye
« Reply #88 on: June 11, 2006, 12:30:31 PM »
Well problem is that lately avast! is going just down and thats not just a small gap in developement. Look what they did with AntiVir? It was launched at the top of AV solutions from quiet mediocre AV solution (AntiVir 6). Everyone is implimentig some form of strong heuristics/behavior blockers. Nothing in avast!. Everyone is making more regular updates. Not avast!. Better submission system? Not avast!. Faster samples adding. Still nothing. Sure detection isn't all but how am i suppose to defend avast! as good home solution if i'm getting flooded with "avast! missed this, avast! missed that" all the time lately? Or it detected but can't clean at all.
Then they try Kaspersky and see that it detected all and also cleaned all. Bye bye avast! and they're gone to KAV. Or BitDefender and lately even AntiVir which is clearly becoming superior against avast!. It's time to act before it'll be too late imo. I mean people are running away from avast! to Comodo AV which is not ready yet and they're more happy? Somethings seriously wrong with the way how Alwil is currently working...


I think so.... as I used to say something about this concern.

http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=15091.msg130621#msg130621

It seems to me that the problem is, avast! has no strong marketing point, no attraction (e.g. detection technology) for some people to stay with it or buy it.

For example, Norman. I think its overall detections are not better than avast! but Norman has a very strong marketing/attraction point so-called "SandBox Technology" even I think this technology is not better than heuristic detection of some other AV's but this SandBox Technology extremely makes Norman so different from many other AV's on the market.
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Re: Goodbye
« Reply #89 on: June 11, 2006, 03:19:22 PM »
Vlk mentioned that version 5 will have "advanced proactive detection" (not pure heuristics) in this thread

http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=21098.msg176745#msg176745

Given the current feelings being expressed the sooner we have a beta on this the better.

I don't agree with those that say this thread is nothing more than an ad for a competitor.  On the surface it is that in part, but more importantly its the place where many of the old wounds that have been festering have come to surface.  Its the place where the members and, hopefully, the alwil team can come to see what needs to be done.  Sure this has all been expressed in other places but the whole family is here for this one ...  So lets listen.

There are up and down periods in development and maintenance of every software project. that doesn't mean the software is headed for a downward spiral. :) Yes those up and down periods can last quite a while and seem to be heading for the worse, but I don't think that's what's happening.

Negeltu is absolutely correct in this.  We are at a point where other vendors have taken a step or two forward and we're feeling the frustration of waiting for avast! to take those steps.  Some have jumped ship because of this, but if you look at their posts on the other forums it becomes clear that some of them will jump again when their new AV falls behind a bit.  For them its a  perennial search for the perfect product without the realization that what they seek does not exist.  For others, they feel more respect where they've gone and they will probably stay there.

Looking at recent threads in this forum I have the feeling the alwil team has been more directly involved lately and I think this is good.  For me, if I know I'm not being ignored, if I know the programmers are at least aware of whats going on and are taking necessary steps, I can be very patient.

I'm done now.

Seems I mis-spoke when I posted that.