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Re: The next generation of Vista?Windows 7??
« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2008, 07:21:39 PM »
They fully realize Vista flopped. Therefore they are accelerating development of Windows 7.

We saw who won the Vista vs Leopard battle now we can look forward to Windows 7 Vs Mac OS 10.6 battle ;)
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Re: The next generation of Vista?Windows 7??
« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2008, 09:09:34 PM »
Currently I see no future for me installing Vista, there is just too little in it to make a move from XP Pro.

I read about this some time ago (next version of windows) and the new windows is supposed to be being built from scratch and the biggest issue was not worrying about backward compatibility as that has been the bain of previous windows versions. That fact was supposed to speed up development, leading to an earlier release. Now I have read about some form of virtualisation to allow for earlier programs to run without having to have the compatibility mode as they do now.

If it is going to be such a short time to the release I think there will be many who stick with XP and miss out Vista completely.
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Re: The next generation of Vista?Windows 7??
« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2008, 04:10:51 AM »
I've read that the best Upgrade for Vista is not SP1 but SP3 for Windows XP.  I wouldn't recommend that Release Candidate yet though.  Installed it on one computer at the winery where I work and ended up bringing it home to work on it.  Froze up the computer, internet access through router not possible and our DejaVu NT  software to emulate a UNIX screen and connect to the 16 bit UNIX also failed. Tried to uninstall it and something went awry.  Ended up with a corrupted registry and fixed it by putting the HD in my USB hard drive case and deletes certain (5) system files and replacing them with filed taken from a restore point a day previous.  But, all is working well now.

Very few businesses are embracing Vista.  I read on CNET that it was only around 13-18% of businesses had changed to Vista.  A couple of women at the winery are just so sure that Vista is it.  I am not convinced.

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Re: The next generation of Vista?Windows 7??
« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2008, 09:13:42 AM »
They fully realize Vista flopped. Therefore they are accelerating development of Windows 7.

We saw who won the Vista vs Leopard battle now we can look forward to Windows 7 Vs Mac OS 10.6 battle ;)

No, Vista flopped just because ppl wanted it to flop. I haven't used better OS in years and i wouldn't trade Vista for anything. And i'm not even using SP1 yet. WinXP got useful only after SP1. So why the hell is Vista so much worse eh? Not to mention driver support was far superior compared to the one at WinXP launch.
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Re: The next generation of Vista?Windows 7??
« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2008, 09:34:14 AM »
They fully realize Vista flopped. Therefore they are accelerating development of Windows 7.

We saw who won the Vista vs Leopard battle now we can look forward to Windows 7 Vs Mac OS 10.6 battle ;)

No, Vista flopped just because ppl wanted it to flop. I haven't used better OS in years and i wouldn't trade Vista for anything. And i'm not even using SP1 yet. WinXP got useful only after SP1. So why the hell is Vista so much worse eh? Not to mention driver support was far superior compared to the one at WinXP launch.
Looking forward for Windows 7 though...


Agreed RejZoR,

And while Vista selling 100 Million units may not be great, I wouldn't consider it a flop.

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Re: The next generation of Vista?Windows 7??
« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2008, 03:49:30 PM »
Vista with all its problems and issues, and even though they "work" on fixing them (it looks like they will release Win 7 or Win 988612435 before they release this shitty SP1 for Vista) is still the worst OS in MS history, period. It looks nice but that's about it... nothing that improved so that people should switch. OS X Leopard ate it alive, using both and while using Leopard is a pure pleasure, using Vista is still pain in the rear end.
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Re: The next generation of Vista?Windows 7??
« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2008, 03:56:10 PM »
No it's not. And i'm using Vista ever since it's release. Only issue i encountered were NVIDIA drivers. But thats not MS fault if 3rd party vendor can't deliver the goods...
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Re: The next generation of Vista?Windows 7??
« Reply #9 on: January 27, 2008, 04:08:22 PM »
RejZoR my friend... I would love to love Vista, it looks really nice and I agree it is totally different (I would even say better) experience than using XP... but problems Vista brought to us simply don't allow me to properly do my job. I mean if I paid for this OS (it came with my laptop thought, but still I paid for it), I expect it to work properly and to at least let me do my thing.

As far as nVidia drivers story goes... strange thing again, and this proves that every computer and configuration is different so that's why we are getting all these different Vista reviews. I had all the trouble in this World trying to force my ATI Radeon X1300 Pro PCI-E to work with Vista. Nothing would help, I wasn't even able to install Vista with that card in my computer, so I decided to sell it, and bought nVidia Geforce 8600 GT XXX (XXX is not porn related LOL, it means Factory over-clocked). Not a high-end card in any way, but for what I do it serves its purpose. Vista installed without a single glitch, windows are flying on my screen, animation is perfectly smooth although I would say that having these 2.5 GB of RAM inside my computer helps it a lot.

But again... you see ? I didn't have a slightest problem with nVidia and Vista working together, but ATI which I loved all my life, gave me so much trouble it was unbelievable.
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Re: The next generation of Vista?Windows 7??
« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2008, 04:20:46 PM »
I'm not entirely alone in the perception of Vista, as found at this link:  "Why all Vista users should upgrade to Windows XP..." and from this author as well:  Windows XP outshines Vista in benchmark tests .

Our winery is a small operation but we manage to put our around 90,000+ cases a year.  There are 11 computers at the office, all networked, and running Windows XP Home except for 2 machines.  We also have a UNIX server that has software that the owner/head winemaker wrote years ago for lab, vineyard, cellar calculations, and inventories.  For the most part the UNIX system works as it should, but it is accessed with our Windows machines via a special software from J. River Soft are company called ICE.TCP  This software runs as a 16 bit operation.  Only 2 machines have 1 Mb memory (RAM), our owner, Doug, for doing the intense graphics design stuff on Adobe CS2 Illustrator, and our Event's manager, which also manipulates some of the stored/share Adobe Illustrator pictures.  All the rest have 256mb.  We run our little Excel '97 spreadsheets, and Word '97 along with internet usage and accessing the UNIX server.  None of this requires the need for huge amounts of RAM, and things work.  

Windows XP is so much better than the Windows 98 that we were using, and there has not been a real need, except on 2 machines, to upgrade to the Pro version over Home.  

I think it all boils down to common sense.  If you are doing nothing but accessing some old Excel, Word, etc files along with occasional web searches for products or repair items, what would be the overall benefit of an upgrade to Vista?  We (meaning I) would have to build new machines with heavier build up of RAM just for starters, plus the cost of each OS for each computer.  Boss like Office 97 and won't upgrade to even Office XP.  Reason?  Only he uses Excel for doing most spread sheet apps and is totally happy with it.  The rest of the users are somewhat computer illiterate and barely function their Outlook Express effortlessly.  Not ONE week goes by that I'm not called to at least 2 users stations because "Their computer is not working right"  and to find out the problem actually was found between the computer monitor and the back of their chair. ::) ;D

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Re: The next generation of Vista?Windows 7??
« Reply #11 on: January 27, 2008, 04:35:26 PM »
SasH, you ought to upgrade your Vista on your laptop to Windows XP Pro and you could have the ATI. ;D

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Re: The next generation of Vista?Windows 7??
« Reply #12 on: January 27, 2008, 04:49:31 PM »
SasH, you ought to upgrade your Vista on your laptop to Windows XP Pro and you could have the ATI. ;D

BTW  MANY thanks to SasH and RejZor for the creation of the skins.  Stunning!

Sorry I should have mentioned this earlier... I know at one point I mentioned my laptop (which also runs Vista), but mostly I was talking about my desktop machine. I had all that ATI trouble with my old PCI-E card (desktop computer again). I had Windows XP Professional installed on my desktop for so long, but decided to install Vista and give it a go... then all ATi troubles started, so I went with nVidia and I have to say I've never looked back since then. I am so pleased with how nVidia works, and a lot of stuff I am doing is a lot faster than before. As many who gather in here already know, I am into heavy graphic design, web rich media/multimedia, 3D renderings and animations, TV broadcasting animations etc. so I really needed something responsive. Still, as I already said, I am pretty happy with how Vista performs, but it's just it has one too many problems (OS related glitches that MS is working on fixing them) that I simply cry sometimes for XP.

Regarding skins - no problem, you're welcome. I am glad some people really appreciate our work. Thanks again!  ;)
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Re: The next generation of Vista?Windows 7??
« Reply #13 on: January 27, 2008, 09:45:56 PM »
Well, i had no problems with ForceWare, it just wasn't fast enough and Aero had few glitches. Radeon x1950 Pro works fine ever since september when i bought it. Btw, i also paid for Vista, still DSP but not pre-bundled with PC. :P
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Re: The next generation of Vista?Windows 7??
« Reply #14 on: January 27, 2008, 10:16:35 PM »
I have Vista Home Edition installed on my new PC and although the PC is "better" in terms of HD space, CPU and RAM than my other desktop machine with XP sp2 on it I never cease to find weirdies in software and drivers (especially graphics) behaviour. Only goes with those who were saying Microsoft was too hurried up when it developed Vista :P