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Re: Net Neutrality
« Reply #15 on: April 17, 2008, 11:26:01 PM »
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Re: Net Neutrality
« Reply #17 on: May 10, 2008, 01:53:23 AM »
New Net Neutrality bill introduced into Congress:

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“The bill squarely addresses the issue of the enormous market power of the telephone and cable companies as the providers of 98 percent of the broadband service in the country,” said Gigi Sohn, president of Public Knowledge. “The bill restores the principle of nondiscrimination that allowed the Internet to flourish in the dial-up era, making certain that the same freedom and innovation will flourish in the broadband era without burdensome regulation.”

Full Article is here:
http://www.macworld.com/article/133377/2008/05/netneutralitybill.html
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Re: Net Neutrality
« Reply #18 on: July 28, 2008, 09:31:19 PM »
Groups cheer reports of FCC acting against Comcast.
http://www.macworld.com/article/134716/2008/07/comcast.html


While Im all for Throttling Pirated content, the problem with allowing ISPs to do so is if we allow them to manage anything there will always be that question of what are the limits of what they are allowed to mess with. Net neutrality Needs to be all or Nothing and wee need it badly or we will be seeing a very dim future for the internet.
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Re: Net Neutrality
« Reply #19 on: July 29, 2008, 12:33:02 AM »
The act of copying copyrighted material is illegal. The actions taken by Comcast is equally illegal.
I guess Comcast still has to learn that 2 wrongs don't make 1 right.  :)
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Re: Net Neutrality
« Reply #20 on: July 29, 2008, 12:54:53 AM »
Hi bob3160,

I think that it is mighty important that the general public prevents the so-called "Old Media" to take over the Internet, according to their so-called "need" or should I rather say "greed". They try to slowly maneuver this in under the radar through things like Net Neutrality, in order to "weed" the evil sides/sites out of the Internet, pay per click Internet, Internet 2 for the happy few, etc. etc. They already worked towards some success in the field of making P2P almost look as bad as smoking tobacco, and declaring it illegal where the Old Media could lobby enough to bring the legislation in. In my country only uploading copyrighted material is illegal, sharing is not, but one judge had another view on this in his jurisprudence, following EEC law which is more on the corporations' side.
France for instance is much stricter and the U.K. goes now for the three strikes out option(3 x warning by your local ISP and you loose your account if you are find to download illegal stuff).
This is a good article: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080725-hammer-drops-at-last-fcc-opposes-comcast-p2p-throttling.html

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Re: Net Neutrality
« Reply #21 on: July 29, 2008, 03:41:15 AM »
The act of copying copyrighted material is illegal. The actions taken by Comcast is equally illegal.
I guess Comcast still has to learn that 2 wrongs don't make 1 right.  :)
Quite right Bob.
Hi bob3160,

I think that it is mighty important that the general public prevents the so-called "Old Media" to take over the Internet, according to their so-called "need" or should I rather say "greed". They try to slowly maneuver this in under the radar through things like Net Neutrality, in order to "weed" the evil sides/sites out of the Internet, pay per click Internet, Internet 2 for the happy few, etc. etc. They already worked towards some success in the field of making P2P almost look as bad as smoking tobacco, and declaring it illegal where the Old Media could lobby enough to bring the legislation in. In my country only uploading copyrighted material is illegal, sharing is not, but one judge had another view on this in his jurisprudence, following EEC law which is more on the corporations' side.
France for instance is much stricter and the U.K. goes now for the three strikes out option(3 x warning by your local ISP and you loose your account if you are find to download illegal stuff).
This is a good article: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080725-hammer-drops-at-last-fcc-opposes-comcast-p2p-throttling.html

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Well the US Net Neutrality Laws are designed to keep corporations like comcast from out of the mix, to make then just a provider and nothing more. But the laws are facing a lot of resistance by, you guessed it, ISPs and have yet to be passed by congress.

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Re: Net Neutrality
« Reply #22 on: August 02, 2008, 02:28:06 AM »
And finally the FCC has ruled against Comcast  :)

http://www.macworld.com/article/134805/2008/08/comcast.html
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Re: Net Neutrality
« Reply #23 on: August 13, 2008, 03:17:15 AM »
FCC Commissioner: Return of Fairness Doctrine Could Control Web Content
McDowell warns reinstated powers could play in net neutrality debate, lead to government requiring balance on Web sites.
http://www.businessandmedia.org/articles/2008/20080812160747.aspx
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Re: Net Neutrality
« Reply #24 on: August 13, 2008, 06:13:14 AM »
Go FCC!!!  ;D
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Re: Net Neutrality
« Reply #25 on: September 05, 2008, 01:32:22 PM »
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Re: Net Neutrality
« Reply #26 on: September 05, 2008, 11:51:16 PM »
Hi .:Mac:.,

Yes I have read about that too, but the biggest threat that ISP's pose is endangering your privacy.
With the new tap rules they can also sell all your clickstream and profile to commercial third parties, and they are willing to pay for this data, so money speaks. So every ISP, the smaller firms also, will be in this eventually - they will spy on you for gain.
That is why some say that the ISP should also be checked on their turn from a higher authority, but because big commerce is the highest authority there is these days  this cannot be easily be done,

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Re: Net Neutrality
« Reply #27 on: September 06, 2008, 01:16:02 AM »
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Re: Net Neutrality
« Reply #28 on: September 06, 2008, 04:36:23 PM »
Hi .:Mac:.,

Yes I have read about that too, but the biggest threat that ISP's pose is endangering your privacy.
With the new tap rules they can also sell all your clickstream and profile to commercial third parties, and they are willing to pay for this data, so money speaks. So every ISP, the smaller firms also, will be in this eventually - they will spy on you for gain.
That is why some say that the ISP should also be checked on their turn from a higher authority, but because big commerce is the highest authority there is these days  this cannot be easily be done,

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Absolutely right, they should all be watched, but unfortunately our government has been hesitant to do anything so far.

Comcast Starting to Cap Bandwith
250 Gig to start 2.5 Gig next ???

Right bob, comcast may start with a 250GB limit but there is no guarantee they will keep it that high, or that other ISP will give caps that high.
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Re: Net Neutrality
« Reply #29 on: September 06, 2008, 05:08:45 PM »
In the UK before any mention of net neutrality most ISPs have had caps, some as low as 3GB a month, 5GB and BT (British Telecom) the main broadband provider or supplier (its their telephone network) has just updated its cap to 10GB, then you have to pay a higher monthly charge.

There are some that state unlimited in their marketing blurb, but the then come up firt a fair use clause in their T&C which effectively limits the 'unlimited' and they are the ones who decide what is fair use.
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