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Re: Will Microsoft's Free Antivirus App be Worth the Price?
« Reply #60 on: June 25, 2009, 11:57:20 PM »
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Both resident (on-access)?

Yes, and smooth running, but very early days. In fact, this first day really.
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Re: Will Microsoft's Free Antivirus App be Worth the Price?
« Reply #61 on: June 25, 2009, 11:59:10 PM »
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As I said  before, I am running MSE alongside (as complement to) avast AV.
avast update ran without issue about 30 mins before MSE scan.
Bad move.....   MS Warns you before installation to remove any other AV.
Sooner or later you'll run into a problem with either avast! or Security Essentials.

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Sec. Essentials is set to run a scan once per week on my system.
As you can see from the pic. I posted in an earlier reply, The auto update still happens
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Re: Will Microsoft's Free Antivirus App be Worth the Price?
« Reply #62 on: June 26, 2009, 01:10:59 AM »
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Bad move.....   MS Warns you before installation to remove any other AV.
Sooner or later you'll run into a problem with either avast! or Security Essentials.

But avast isn't just any other AV. You of all people should know that Bob3160.
Open-ended not closed shop, and then put together with a very lightweight detection and identification program from Windows. From what I remember last winter, resident avast was set to deploy the Norton scanner rather than use its own scanner when it came across the Symantec suite on a computer. Now that is no small feat! With all these high-end iframe and small sting exploits boosting percentages of both malware infections and false positives, we tend to forget that avast is no run of the mill newcomer to the market. And, considering the options now available to computer users (like AVG), MSE has to put out their warning.

That said, I am expecting problems. I know I am way not out of the woods yet.

I removed a suspected infected file from this computer yesterday. I think it slipped in through an outdated update facility from IBM while it was left hooked to an unsecured wireless network. So I now have 1/4 of the hard drive disabled - in suspended state, waiting for me to decide what to do with it. (Edit - disabled so IBMAccessSupport doesn't go requesting updates off its own bat). No plan for that as yet. Also, there are about 10 software distribution hotfix related files that cannot be scanned (come from updates or failed updates). They were loitering about the infected file when avast detected it, so they too are renamed and moved to Avast folder. Includes also another folder on Windows directory, which I sent to chest but has been passed okay by avast. On top of all this, I intend to use the computer for work, but not as a storage facility. Only to hold tools and utilities. I won't be using it to post to avast forum very often, preferring to use my profile model which is set out below. But I will make sure to post some progress reports from it every now and then.

Oh, also have recording facilities on board. I have also added a custom-build Ask toolbar to my IE8 browser just above the BrowserDefender | Safe site strip and to go with my google search home page (you dont need ASK to search when you've got google). This so that I can record training seminars and other webcasts from internet, and music from the likes of YouTube of course. I've only downloaded a couple of movies (vintage films) but am thinking of paying a subscription for wider access rights. The recording function is set 24/7 so I don't have to turn it on at all, everything that plays when I'm surfing the web gets recorded automatically. When I do this, I work very fast. Many times, I may have a handful of different sites open at the same time. So I try to keep up with some of things Polonus is following up, especially to do with XSS - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-site_scripting#External_links - although I try to refrain from any cross-site involvements. Naturally none of my recordings are stored on this computer. My archive is stored in safe-keeping.


As far as the avast / MSE combination goes, all of this other stuff hasn't raised the least AV ripple. My first instinct says that it wont (- but I have said that before). They just seem such a good fit. Is MSE a resident AV as we have come to understand the term? Perhaps not. Maybe, the combination could be the greatest thing to ever happen for home computer and SOHO users, which is where my interests are. But then I'm getting a bit carried now.  ;D


BTW, who were the big 4 in the AV market 4 to 5 years ago? Symantec, McAfee, Trend Micro and avast. That's who.  :)
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Re: Will Microsoft's Free Antivirus App be Worth the Price?
« Reply #63 on: June 26, 2009, 09:29:13 AM »
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As I said  before, I am running MSE alongside (as complement to) avast AV.
avast update ran without issue about 30 mins before MSE scan.
Bad move.....   MS Warns you before installation to remove any other AV.
Sooner or later you'll run into a problem with either avast! or Security Essentials.

Bob, that warning is generic as some application installation routines warn that agressive anti virus applications will warn you that something is trying to usurp their authority which MSE does not do.

Bob, you convinced me that Windows 7 was good so let me return the favor and and convince you MSE is good.

@mkis
I removed all IBM supplied applications on my IBM ThinkCentre XP Pro system as the restore partition had Norton 360 and lots of vulnerable down level applications.  I checked the restore routine and removed all references to Norton and vulnerable applications then I went to the Folder where they resided and deleted the contents.

I love the sound of emptying the Recycle Bin.

By the way, Secunia Personal Software Inspector (PSI) is good in finding vulnerable applications:
http://secunia.com/vulnerability_scanning/personal

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Re: Will Microsoft's Free Antivirus App be Worth the Price?
« Reply #64 on: June 26, 2009, 11:25:30 AM »
I'm also using it alongside avast!. So far so good. :)

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Re: Will Microsoft's Free Antivirus App be Worth the Price?
« Reply #65 on: June 26, 2009, 01:56:17 PM »
Maybe Alwil team could drop a word here.
Does MSE work like any other antivirus, i.e., it will conflict with avast?
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Re: Will Microsoft's Free Antivirus App be Worth the Price?
« Reply #66 on: June 26, 2009, 04:00:57 PM »
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Bob, you convinced me that Windows 7 was good so let me return the favor and and convince you MSE is good.
No convincing needed. I've been  putting it through it's paces on my laptop since release date. :) ( Just like Windows 7 )
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Re: Will Microsoft's Free Antivirus App be Worth the Price?
« Reply #67 on: June 26, 2009, 04:03:20 PM »
it doesn't force you to restart your pc, it's your choice to restart as it informs you.
Yes it does. At least on Vista. It give you a 10 minutes warning, then boot :P
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It doesn't reboot automatically, you decide (on XP, Vista and Windows 7). If you don't click on the restart button, it won't reboot. :) Also you can set the reminder to a later time other than ten minutes. lol (not on XP though) but it's just a reminder, not that mean it restarts without user decision.

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Re: Will Microsoft's Free Antivirus App be Worth the Price?
« Reply #68 on: June 26, 2009, 04:10:19 PM »
If you don't click on the restart button, it won't reboot. :)
On Vista, my personal experience, more than once, is an automatic reboot.
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Re: Will Microsoft's Free Antivirus App be Worth the Price?
« Reply #69 on: June 26, 2009, 04:48:03 PM »
So...

MSE and Avast! can be paired up without any problems?^^
(A newbie question...Is the MSE installer's size is about 4MB?)^^
(Just asking if my download is correct^^)
Thanks^^

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Re: Will Microsoft's Free Antivirus App be Worth the Price?
« Reply #70 on: June 26, 2009, 05:00:38 PM »
If you don't click on the restart button, it won't reboot. :)
On Vista, my personal experience, more than once, is an automatic reboot.
according to my experiences on Vista, when i leave my computer and sleep (the reminder appears at this time), i see the reminder still there in the morning. also i just asked my friend about this subject, he confirmed my thesis, hehe. anywayyy....

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Re: Will Microsoft's Free Antivirus App be Worth the Price?
« Reply #71 on: June 26, 2009, 05:33:37 PM »
So...

MSE and Avast! can be paired up without any problems?^^
(A newbie question...Is the MSE installer's size is about 4MB?)^^
(Just asking if my download is correct^^)
Thanks^^

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Re: Will Microsoft's Free Antivirus App be Worth the Price?
« Reply #72 on: June 26, 2009, 05:52:53 PM »
Thanks BOB^^

Is it ok to run both MSE and Avast! at the same time?^^

Thanks^^

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Re: Will Microsoft's Free Antivirus App be Worth the Price?
« Reply #73 on: June 26, 2009, 06:08:29 PM »
Sorry slow reply YoKenny. I'm just looking ahead a bit for when I take this IBM stuff off the computer to make more room for my Microsoft Security Essentials project.

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I removed all IBM supplied applications on my IBM ThinkCentre XP Pro system as the restore partition had Norton 360 and lots of vulnerable down level applications.  I checked the restore routine and removed all references to Norton and vulnerable applications then I went to the Folder where they resided and deleted the contents.

I love the sound of emptying the Recycle Bin.


Seems a relatively straightforward routine that you used. A common sense routine. May I ask the year of the IBM ThinkCentre release. My Thinkpad is 2002. The supplied applications are bundled, into their individual exe package, and then all into a single Access IBM package. I'm a bit busy at the moment but first chance, then I will begin the removal attempt. I thought uninstall each exe, one after the other, in logical sequence according to need and not need as per system and/or application purpose. I should then be able to decouple the package whole from the current system running. Hopefully with little or no repercussions.  ::)

But it is a darn tightly bundled package, and large, taking up 10GB of the 40GB hard drive.
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Re: Will Microsoft's Free Antivirus App be Worth the Price?
« Reply #74 on: June 26, 2009, 09:32:40 PM »
@SLifeR vi Britania that blinking signature gives me a headache! but MSE and avast! work fine together.

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Microsoft Security Essentials project should be about 10MB as the application is less than 5MB.

The ThinkCentre is from 2005 and I managed to absolutly screw up the Recovery Partition somehow and had to order the CDs from IBM to restore the Recovery Partition which started my discovery of why it needed 6 CDs to restore that partition.

I had a ThinkPad but it died back in 2001 and I really miss that old WinMe system.