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Re: MS openly declared war on linux (and open software)
« Reply #15 on: January 01, 2010, 03:52:32 PM »
Hi OrangeCrate and Logos,

MS is certainly hurt but not where Linux as an operational system is concerned (the competition is only marginal), but where open software as a competitor is concerned. "The free not like in ...." is hurting them, and it is not only Firefox and GoogleChrome browsers versus IE6, it is search-engines and GMail, it is when businesses also start to use open software alternatives on a larger scale that it will be hurting MS business model and share and big rival Google is not sleeping either, and we do not know what cards they have stuck up their sleeves...
MS is afraid of a competitive market, it has not experienced that for years. It would not be so bad if either of the two would know how to combine the visions and or eh missions...

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Re: MS openly declared war on linux (and open software)
« Reply #16 on: January 01, 2010, 03:58:42 PM »
MS is certainly hurt but not where Linux as an operational system is concerned (the competition is only marginal), but where open software as a competitor is concerned.

I absolutely agree, they got more to fear from OSS than from OS'es  ;D ... the situation is more like OpenOffice, Firefox, Thunderbird, and other OSS examples indeed constitute a threat to MS market share, it's known, acknowledged, explained, and proven.

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Re: MS openly declared war on linux (and open software)
« Reply #17 on: January 01, 2010, 04:03:53 PM »
Hi Logos,

And it is a good thing for the computer user as such and it will keep MS competitive (keen, also a good thing) - so it only has benefits, also for MS,

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« Reply #18 on: January 01, 2010, 04:14:52 PM »
Competition may remove the monopoly by microsoft.

US filed against MS because of monopoly.
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Re: MS openly declared war on linux (and open software)
« Reply #19 on: January 01, 2010, 05:49:16 PM »
All the expert in communication in my country use linux :)
I think school should also have linux for the children not to install games etc... in the computer messing around with it >:(
The computers at school are extremely slow now :-\

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Re: MS openly declared war on linux (and open software)
« Reply #20 on: January 01, 2010, 06:16:14 PM »
Competition may remove the monopoly by microsoft.

US filed against MS because of monopoly.
Us and EU filed against Microsoft because of greed and because they knew they could get away with it.
The only real monopoly is the government and unfortunately it's growing by leaps and bounds.  >:(
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Re: MS openly declared war on linux (and open software)
« Reply #21 on: January 01, 2010, 06:40:49 PM »
Competition may remove the monopoly by microsoft.

US filed against MS because of monopoly.
Us and EU filed against Microsoft because of greed and because they knew they could get away with it.
The only real monopoly is the government and unfortunately it's growing by leaps and bounds.  >:(

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Re: MS openly declared war on linux (and open software)
« Reply #22 on: January 01, 2010, 06:58:47 PM »
Competition may remove the monopoly by microsoft.

US filed against MS because of monopoly.
Us and EU filed against Microsoft because of greed and because they knew they could get away with it.
The only real monopoly is the government and unfortunately it's growing by leaps and bounds.  >:(

The EU is not part of the US, so up yours.
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Re: MS openly declared war on linux (and open software)
« Reply #23 on: January 02, 2010, 08:09:32 AM »
UBUNTU

KUBUNTU

LUBUNTU

XUBUNTU


The list seems growing. Linux is highly fragmented and there is no single tough competitor.

Can anyone tell me the difference between these?

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Re: MS openly declared war on linux (and open software)
« Reply #24 on: January 02, 2010, 08:39:11 AM »
Ubuntu:
uses GNOME as its default GUI

Kubuntu:
uses KDE as desktop environment

Xubuntu:
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Lubuntu:
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Re: MS openly declared war on linux (and open software)
« Reply #25 on: January 02, 2010, 01:21:38 PM »
UBUNTU

KUBUNTU

LUBUNTU

XUBUNTU


The list seems growing. Linux is highly fragmented and there is no single tough competitor.

Can anyone tell me the difference between these?

See here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desktop_Linux

and here:

http://xwinman.org/

(a bit dated, but chock full of useful info...)
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Re: MS openly declared war on linux (and open software)
« Reply #26 on: January 02, 2010, 02:37:03 PM »
UBUNTU

KUBUNTU

LUBUNTU

XUBUNTU


The list seems growing. Linux is highly fragmented and there is no single tough competitor.

Can anyone tell me the difference between these?

In my previous post, I forgot to comment on the "competitor" issue.

All forms of *buntu, are just issues by Canonical Ltd, with different desktop environments. See here for additional info:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canonical_Ltd.

Sure, Linux is quite fragmented, but it's all about choice to us. We have a lot of options available that Windows and Mac users don't, and we really like the fact that we do. Here's a great site to learn about distribution choices available to Linux users:

http://distrowatch.com/

The majority of Linux users who cry about not being able to compete with Windows are recent converts to Linux, after being burnt by Windows. I guess hatred for all things Microsoft runs deep with those people, and they'll never be happy until Redmond, is a self illuminated parking lot.

But, most hardcore Linux users, couldn't care less about what Microsoft does. You see, Linux is simply not Windows, and we not only enjoy the differences, but revel in them. Here's a great read for anyone contemplating the switch to Linux:

http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm

There is a stiff learning curve to Linux adoption, but it's getting easier to convert all the time. You still do run into people who have an intense hatred for all things Linux, but generally, they're just people who are unwilling to fess up to the fact, that they're just not smarter than the operating system, and were beaten by it, when they tried it.

Linux users chuckle about those people, but really, and honestly, they really don't care one way or the other. Frankly, we like being a little different. We are open source, and we enjoy all of the choices. Windows and Apple users are content to live with whatever their closed source suppliers allow them to have. As Windows/Apple users, you do what makes you happy, and as Linux users, we'll do the same.

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Re: MS openly declared war on linux (and open software)
« Reply #27 on: January 02, 2010, 02:42:48 PM »
Hmm.....

One of the great drawbacks of Linux is that novice users have a very hard time with it.

Hope I am right or correct me.

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Re: MS openly declared war on linux (and open software)
« Reply #28 on: January 02, 2010, 03:19:57 PM »
Hmm.....

One of the great drawbacks of Linux is that novice users have a very hard time with it.

Hope I am right or correct me.

Some do, most don't. I think it has a lot to do with attitude. There is no customer service to call, the community is where you find answers to your questions. Google is definitely your friend as you tackle new things, and there are great tutorials available on most anything, if you just look for them. Here's a couple of examples of what I mean (Ubuntu related, but other distros have similar publications):

http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/index

http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Jaunty

I would not suggest to anyone, to dump Windows to try/use Linux. Some of those Redmond haters I commented about earlier, insist that your choice is either to use Linux or Windows. Personally, I think that and is a more realistic option, and I always recommend to dual boot (either by partitioning, or by using Wubi or a virtual machine). A person my eventually go completely to Linux, but they certainly don't have to.

There is a learning curve, you will have to learn to use the terminal (at least for basic things), and you'll have to learn what's going on inside the box, rather than just mindlessly clicking on things, in a completely GUI environment.

However, the satisfaction you get from having pretty much complete control over what you're doing, is priceless, and is worth any pain you might experience during the learning process.

(BTW, I'm typing this from Debian Squeeze (testing), and you can read it, just as if I was using Windows. Cool, eh?  :))

The reason you hear a lot about Ubuntu (and Fedora), is that they're a bit easier to use and learn. Debian, Gentoo, and some others are not for the faint of heart, and though I was teasing you about using Debian to post this, I do not recommend that distro for beginners.

An old Linux joke...

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Re: MS openly declared war on linux (and open software)
« Reply #29 on: January 02, 2010, 03:42:35 PM »
@ Crate:
 yeah, and there are those who've been using Linux in dual-boot during years...not exactly newbies on Linux hey  ;D and had a million times the opportunity to compare how things work in the two OS'es: Linux is a million light years behind Windows, if you don't see it get yourself a pair of glasses:
firewall (nice piece of software...shorewall etc...no configuration interface)
network configuration (have fun connecting a Linux PC to a Windows one) edit: + thousands and thousands of users having wifi not working or unstable.
file browsing...yeah, win 1.0 good old times...
graphics drivers behavior >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BSOD = black screen of death in Linux ...when changing the screen resolution can crash the X server
scanner and printer interfaces  ;D
software...thousands and thousands of crappy programs found in the repos...
hundreds of useless programs pre-installed
GNOME...that's the worse  ;)
bad updates (corrupted repos and bad signatures)
no standards (hey, *.exe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, know what I mean ??? ) ...welcome to the world of debians and rpms, enjoy!  :)
no serious drive encryption...people find they can't access their encrypted /home partition anymore after a new install.

ridiculous equivalents of device manager, where most stuff (modules) is in the kernel, and drivers are not updatable, nor controllable...where your web  cam is listed as a network adapter or a graphics card  ;D wanna hear more ???
power management disaster...
sleep mode and hibernation don't work for most users

OUTDATED SOFTWARE: people who don't know how to run Firefox from a mozilla tarball can wait two or three months before they get an update from the repos this is sooooooooooooo...cool  8)...ever spent half an hour getting all the needed dependencies for an extracted tarball to run  :o

Security and stability myth: Linux is more secure because it's not targeted (not enough users, not worth it), and not because of the way executables run, malware can break that. Stability: just the kernel is stable, Linux itself won't crash yeah, but apps will, often, and the X server will, so your freaking desktop will crash.

...one last thing: LINUX FONTS ...pathetic  ::) ....

 It's just a matter of honesty, and how good you are at testing operating system features. Wondering what you're doing on a Windows security software forum  ::)

 your only argument:
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(BTW, I'm typing this from Debian Squeeze (testing), and you can read it, just as if I was using Windows. Cool, eh?  Smiley)
...that's all you got ???
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