what browser now?... and a few words about IE9 beta

[YoKenny]

Okay, what is all that code about? I don't get it.  If it's kraken, I didn't even attempt that. What I was talking about were the links Polonus posted.

This is the result from Polonus original post

Hi IE9 testers,

How does this browser perform on kraken? http://krakenbenchmark.mozilla.com/kraken-1.0/driver.html

http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=63974.msg541795#msg541795

[CraigB]

ie9 is working great for me with the new square flash for 32 and 64 bit with window's live essentials.

[YoKenny]

ie9 is working great for me with the new square flash for 32 and 64 bit with window's live essentials.

Well Dch48 is suck on Vista Home Basic SP2.

That's like still using Windows ME and we know how good that was. 

[Dch48]

ie9 is working great for me with the new square flash for 32 and 64 bit with window's live essentials.

Well Dch48 is suck on Vista Home Basic SP2.

That's like still using Windows ME and we know how good that was. 

Come on--it's nothing like ME, the only thing it doesn't have that I have found is aero support. Other than that , it has the same features and abilities of Home Premium. I wouldn't have chosen it and wouldn't have it if it was the computer that I use. It was a very inexpensive ($249 at Best Buy) replacement for a dead 6 year old tower and is used by a very non computer savvy person for basic browsing,email,IM's and flash games. It's actually more than she needs and performs very well in the things it is asked to do. The only bad thing is, we bought it a week before W7 came out and the salesman said it qualified for the upgrade and even the signage for it in the store said it did. Afterwards, Emachines said that Home Basic did not qualify so I complained to Best Buy and the salesman admitted what he had told me so they offered to upgrade it at the store for a minimal charge. My ladyfriend said to forget about it because she was satisfied with the way it was  and didn't want to have to learn how to use another new OS (she had XP Home previously on the machine that died). So here we are.

Since it doesn't have Aero support, I'm wondering how well it will handle IE9 when it's released, but, again, she will probably be satisfied with IE8 and not want to switch anyway.

[Hermite15]

aero support only matters for UI related animations, as to hardware acceleration, as long as Vista SP2 introduces DX11, I can't see any reason why IE9 wouldn't be supported on Vista basic...even if yes...basic should suck

[YoKenny]

@ Dch48

A system running XP Home would best me left running it.

Windows 7 Upgrade Advisor
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/en/details.aspx?FamilyID=1b544e90-7659-4bd9-9e51-2497c146af15

My XP Pro system failed miserably so I bought a new system!  

As you are using an Emachines desktop, 2GB RAM, Intel Celeron 420 1.6 ghz single core sytem it may fail to be capable of running Windows 7 effectively.  :'(

Modern Cell Phones are more powerful than anything eMachines produces and even Apple has something like it.
 

[Dch48]

aero support only matters for UI related animations, as to hardware acceleration, as long as Vista SP2 introduces DX11, I can't see any reason why IE9 wouldn't be supported on Vista basic...even if yes...basic should suck

If it needs DX11, which I haven't seen that it does, she's out of luck anyway since the graphics chip only supports up to DX9. It's called Nvidia GeForce 7050 and is integrated on the motherboard.

[Dch48]

@ Dch48

A system running XP Home would best me left running it.

Windows 7 Upgrade Advisor
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/en/details.aspx?FamilyID=1b544e90-7659-4bd9-9e51-2497c146af15

My XP Pro system failed miserably so I bought a new system!  

As you are using an Emachines desktop, 2GB RAM, Intel Celeron 420 1.6 ghz single core sytem it may fail to be capable of running Windows 7 effectively.  :'(

Modern Cell Phones are more powerful than anything eMachines produces and even Apple has something like it.
 

Actually I have run the upgrade advisor and it passed since the graphics chip is capable of running Aero. This XP laptop also passes except for some drivers that may be hard to find. I have no intention of upgrading it though since some of it's nicer features wouldn't work in W7 such as the DVD player that doesn't even require a full Windows boot. I have no idea why Home Basic didn't qualify for the upgrade to W7 but it was a Microsoft thing not Emachines fault. There are more powerful Emachines available as well so your statement isn't actually true. It is a fact however that since the Acer takeover, Emachines has once again been relegated to the bottom tier of offerings like it was originally. In the Gateway years, there were actually some very nice and powerful Emachines on the market. I bought a desktop in 2005 that was pretty much top of the line in everything but graphics which was easily fixed. It has a quality MSI motherboard, and top name components throughout. It has an Athlon 64 3500+ processor which was high end back then and surround sound built in.

[Hermite15]

aero support only matters for UI related animations, as to hardware acceleration, as long as Vista SP2 introduces DX11, I can't see any reason why IE9 wouldn't be supported on Vista basic...even if yes...basic should suck

If it needs DX11, which I haven't seen that it does, she's out of luck anyway since the graphics chip only supports up to DX9. It's called Nvidia GeForce 7050 and is integrated on the motherboard.

well read some stuff >>> why do you think IE9 isn't supported on XP >>> IE9 is combining the use of HTML5 and hardware acceleration through the OS graphics interface, i.e. DX11, only available in Vista SP2 and Seven (same goes for Windows Live Essentials Wave 4). Again, we're not talking about UI animations here (Aero), but hardware acceleration when visiting web sites. How the app (IE9) will behave (on specific sites) once installed on chips not supporting DX11, I have no idea...but probably not too good. Once thing is sure, IE9 is built to detect your Windows version and what's in it (DX version), and won't bother sending you a warning if you got a non-supported graphics card.

 Which means that yes, if they had wanted to, it could have been supported in XP with restrictions, but they didn't want to, and I approve that. A full up and running IE8 on XP is probably better than a crippled IE9.

edit: oh yeah, and why do you think Vista SP2 is the minimum requirement? 

[Dch48]

There has not been any information released as to exactly why it's not going to be supported in XP, just that it isn't. I also highly doubt that they are going to make having a DX11 capable graphics adapter a requirement for running IE9. That would be ridiculous and they haven't even suggested that.

From everything I'm reading, it looks like IE9 will run on DX9 hardware but maybe not with all features fully implemented. There are no graphics card requirements to be found and since it says in the official system reqs that "Display •Super VGA (800 x 600) or higher-resolution monitor with 256 colors" is all that's needed, I would say it will run on almost any graphics setup. You may have to use software rendering instead of GPU acceleration though.

[bob3160]

There has not been any information released as to exactly why it's not going to be supported in XP, just that it isn't. I also highly doubt that they are going to make having a DX11 capable graphics adapter a requirement for running IE9. That would be ridiculous and they haven't even suggested that.

From everything I'm reading, it looks like IE9 will run on DX9 hardware but maybe not with all features fully implemented. There are no graphics card requirements to be found and since it says in the official system reqs that "Display •Super VGA (800 x 600) or higher-resolution monitor with 256 colors" is all that's needed, I would say it will run on almost any graphics setup. You may have to use software rendering instead of GPU acceleration though.

Here you'll find some of the information that you said isn't available:
http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/ie_9_wont_be_supported_xp
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/networking/there-will-never-be-an-ie-9-for-xp/170
http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2010/04/why-microsoft-did-the-right-thing-in-ditching-xp-for-ie9.ars

I can supply you with many other sources.   Have fun reading. 

[Dch48]

There has not been any information released as to exactly why it's not going to be supported in XP, just that it isn't. I also highly doubt that they are going to make having a DX11 capable graphics adapter a requirement for running IE9. That would be ridiculous and they haven't even suggested that.

From everything I'm reading, it looks like IE9 will run on DX9 hardware but maybe not with all features fully implemented. There are no graphics card requirements to be found and since it says in the official system reqs that "Display •Super VGA (800 x 600) or higher-resolution monitor with 256 colors" is all that's needed, I would say it will run on almost any graphics setup. You may have to use software rendering instead of GPU acceleration though.

Here you'll find some of the information that you said isn't available:
http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/ie_9_wont_be_supported_xp
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/networking/there-will-never-be-an-ie-9-for-xp/170
http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2010/04/why-microsoft-did-the-right-thing-in-ditching-xp-for-ie9.ars

I can supply you with many other sources.   Have fun reading. 

I read all that stuff before you posted the links and it's speculation, not official word from Microsoft. All they say is it won't be available without a clear explanation as to why.

[Hard_ROCKER]

The API's for a whole bunch of things like Direct2d are just not there for XP. Since IE9 depends on those API's and they are only available on Vista and up, IE9 is only supported on those OSes. It is 2010 and XP is obsolete.


http://ie.microsoft.com/testdrive/info/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/Default.html

What are the system requirements for IE9?
You need a Windows PC running either Windows 7 or Vista. On Vista, you need to have installed Internet Explorer 8 and you need to install the Platform Update for Windows Vista, available on Windows Update since October, 2009. Platform Preview is only available in a 32-bit x86 version but it will install and run on 64-bit Windows 7 and Vista.

Does IE9 run on Windows XP?
No. Internet Explorer 9's GPU-powered graphics take advantage of new technologies available in Windows 7 and back-ported only to Windows Vista. These technologies depend on advancements in the display driver model introduced first in Windows Vista.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ee663866.aspx

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd370987.aspx

http://channel9.msdn.com/blogs/charles/ie-9-surfing-on-the-gpu-with-d2d

[CraigB]

aero support only matters for UI related animations, as to hardware acceleration, as long as Vista SP2 introduces DX11, I can't see any reason why IE9 wouldn't be supported on Vista basic...even if yes...basic should suck

If it needs DX11, which I haven't seen that it does, she's out of luck anyway since the graphics chip only supports up to DX9. It's called Nvidia GeForce 7050 and is integrated on the motherboard.

Dch48 have you tried going to the nvidia site to download the latest updates for your geforce 7050, i just checked there site and you are able to update to the latest  that im running which is the 256 to 260 version which will allow you to run dx11.

[Hermite15]

You may have to use software rendering instead of GPU acceleration though

yeah, what else...