Thanks for the welcome DJBone
I haven't tried the new beta because of reading in the forum that people are still having the same issues with it. There's only so many times I like do do hard restarting of my computer.
I used the avast removal tool and the AVG removal tool that someone kindly posted, in case some parts of AVG were still left installed. Though I run CCleaner from time to time so not much rubbish hangs around for long.
When I first had issues with Avast I had tried uninstalling Spybot and haven't put that back yet.
Also in the same thread advising the AVG removal tool I followed the advice to install Malwarebytes Anti Malware.
My firewall is Zonealarm vs 9.2.57.0