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Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
« Reply #75 on: October 05, 2019, 02:41:38 PM »
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Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
« Reply #76 on: October 06, 2019, 06:46:54 AM »
Novter Trojan Sets its Sights on Microsoft Windows Defender
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/novter-trojan-sets-its-sights-on-microsoft-windows-defender/

Asyn, this isn't new news, unfortunately. That are many ways to block programs (even AV/AM) from running. I've personally seen advanced malware stop even advanced programs in their tracks (everything from Avast! to MBAM, MBAR (MBAM Anti rootkit), GMER, Combofix, and OTL (At the time, now we use FRST)). Defender isn't the last solution to be targeted...
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Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
« Reply #77 on: October 06, 2019, 11:36:00 AM »
Defender isn't the last solution to be targeted...
Well, WD is certainly a main target (nowadays). Also, its self protection is quite poor.
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Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
« Reply #78 on: October 06, 2019, 02:07:32 PM »
Defender isn't the last solution to be targeted...
Well, WD is certainly a main target (nowadays). Also, its self protection is quite poor.
All AV's are targets. :)
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Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
« Reply #79 on: October 06, 2019, 11:00:55 PM »
Defender isn't the last solution to be targeted...
Well, WD is certainly a main target (nowadays). Also, its self protection is quite poor.
All AV's are targets. :)

Bob, you're quite correct.

Don't get me wrong - WD is not the best solution out there... but compared to the good old days of Windows 7, the current version is leaps and bounds ahead of it's former self. The emphasis should not lay on a program to decide whether or not a program is malicious. The emphasis should be training users to recognize threats.

Good steps:

1) Recognizing phishing/malicious emails.
2) Trusted source downloads only. (Torrents are OK, provided you can verify hashes, and assuming they don't violate copyright)
3) Keeping programs updated. People are terrible at this.
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Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
« Reply #80 on: October 06, 2019, 11:49:16 PM »
Microsoft's Windows Defender has come a long way from where it once was positioned.

That is good for the Windows community not to go unprotected.  :D
We have avast, avast browser, avast mobile, when you use your smartphone as an access point,
avast secure browser and avast extension for other browsers.

As Google likes to let everything to run inside the browser, either Google Chrome or browsers based on it,
there is a gigantic attack surface there. Now lately also with DNS DoH over port 443 running inside the browser.
Not coming to the UK as we have heard, as authorities are opposed to this (because of filtering).
Read: https://blog.apnic.net/2019/04/08/opinion-what-does-doh-really-mean-for-privacy/

Also recently another attack surface, also inside the browser: Reductor malware
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/10/03/kaspersky_reductor_malware/

I am glad with av-solution doing the job, but also with my VoodooShield sitting there,
and keeping things from running unattended

So yep, protect your devices, but also keep your browser from harm (ad-block and script block,
for instance uMatrix and uBlockOrigin) , I write this in Avast Secure Browser with Malwarebytes extension enabled,
and Avast Hackcheck that has access to this site, while I writing this message,

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Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
« Reply #81 on: October 07, 2019, 12:54:29 AM »
While I Tried Defender for a while on my Household systems,  decided to stick with Avast Free in the end,  as scan time is so much shorter if I run manual scans once in a while,  possibly Avast Self Protection is a bit better than Defenders is.     

 Though I maybe safe with just using Defender,  as I make sure to delete any emails that I even think maybe a scam,  clean my email box weekly, including junk folder,   Make sure to manually check for updates daily, or if I forget a day, then I immediately check soon as I remember for all apps on system,  including Windows UWP Apps,  I do have a tendacy to fall for folks saying Defender is all I need in other forums when I post on other forums with totally unrelated PC problems that aren't even related to Antivirus or system security,   I must stop falling for that type of stuff and switching programs so much, always been an issue with me

Back in 2005  I was a tester for Windows Live One Care,   I know now I made mistakes then,  getting virus samples, and attempting to run them, and some got right past Windows Live One Care then,   (Bios root kits, MBR Rootkits,  system was so bad,  PC shop had to rebuild the entire system with new hardware,  lesser hardware than the original system, but at the time I  just finally wanted a working system.     Switched back after that to using Symantec Norton Antivirus,  til someone in January 2006, recommened Avast, and I switched immediately to Avast, and now if I can stop falling for those other peoples comments, and forums i'll now keep Avast installed like that past on All systems


Hardware wise back then

Went from a AMD Athlon 2500+,  Abit NF7-s (nforce chipset) Max amount of ram allowed,  Creative Xi-fi Soundcard,  Radeon 9600XT,  and 120gb Hard drive, and 320GB Maxtor think was then

Replacement Hardware
Socket 754 Sempron (forget exact model)
Radeon 9800Xt
4GB of Ram
Western Digital blue IDE hard drive
Seagate 80gb or something it was as slave drive back then

So yeah I probably went from a fairly good build,  to a really low end build for a few years,  til received a Socket 939 AMD 64 3500+ for a few more years

« Last Edit: October 07, 2019, 12:58:46 AM by Patrick2 »
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Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
« Reply #82 on: October 07, 2019, 03:32:56 AM »
While I Tried Defender for a while on my Household systems,  decided to stick with Avast Free in the end,  as scan time is so much shorter if I run manual scans once in a while,  possibly Avast Self Protection is a bit better than Defenders is.     

 Though I maybe safe with just using Defender,  as I make sure to delete any emails that I even think maybe a scam,  clean my email box weekly, including junk folder,   Make sure to manually check for updates daily, or if I forget a day, then I immediately check soon as I remember for all apps on system,  including Windows UWP Apps,  I do have a tendacy to fall for folks saying Defender is all I need in other forums when I post on other forums with totally unrelated PC problems that aren't even related to Antivirus or system security,   I must stop falling for that type of stuff and switching programs so much, always been an issue with me

Back in 2005  I was a tester for Windows Live One Care,   I know now I made mistakes then,  getting virus samples, and attempting to run them, and some got right past Windows Live One Care then,   (Bios root kits, MBR Rootkits,  system was so bad,  PC shop had to rebuild the entire system with new hardware,  lesser hardware than the original system, but at the time I  just finally wanted a working system.     Switched back after that to using Symantec Norton Antivirus,  til someone in January 2006, recommened Avast, and I switched immediately to Avast, and now if I can stop falling for those other peoples comments, and forums i'll now keep Avast installed like that past on All systems


Hardware wise back then

Went from a AMD Athlon 2500+,  Abit NF7-s (nforce chipset) Max amount of ram allowed,  Creative Xi-fi Soundcard,  Radeon 9600XT,  and 120gb Hard drive, and 320GB Maxtor think was then

Replacement Hardware
Socket 754 Sempron (forget exact model)
Radeon 9800Xt
4GB of Ram
Western Digital blue IDE hard drive
Seagate 80gb or something it was as slave drive back then

So yeah I probably went from a fairly good build,  to a really low end build for a few years,  til received a Socket 939 AMD 64 3500+ for a few more years

Yeah - I regret to inform you - that tech shop hosed you. (It wasn't GeekSquad was it?)

All rootkits can be removed, may take some time, but it can be done. MBR tables can be destroyed, BIOS systems reinstalled outright (flashing, which your board support FYI). They may not have had the knowledge, but it can be done.
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Re: Avast vs Windows Defender
« Reply #83 on: October 07, 2019, 03:35:26 AM »
Former Local Place that went out of business not too long after that little incident back then in 2005.     Never used GeekSquad for any repairs thankfully lol.    That was only local shop I could afford at the time to try and get it repaired

Anyways these days much more careful when I download, and do online now


lately solve my own issues if I can or ask in online forums if an issue I can't figure out

But not gonna mess up my Intel I7 based systems  (my first ever I7 based systems, and first Intel based Systems since 2003) 

Nowadays I only open email from trusted sources,  delete if I think it's spam, or go directly to said companies site and login there

Update all programs on every system soon as an update comes out

bios updates have gone smoothly on current systems

full virus scan and Malwarebytes scan done weekly

weekly backup, system images done with Macrium reflect free

so think pretty safe these days I hope
« Last Edit: October 07, 2019, 03:44:09 AM by Patrick2 »
Windows 10 Pro 64bit 1903 18362.388, Intel I7 7700 Nvidia Geforce 1050 16gb DDR4, WD 250GBSSD, 1tb Storage, Avast Free 19.8.2393
HP Omen Laptop Intel I7 7700HQ, 8gb Of Ram Windows 10 Home x64 1903 183262.388 128GB SSD, 1tb Storage, Avast Free 19.8.2393