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Re: YouTube HTML5 Video Player
« Reply #15 on: January 23, 2010, 02:25:05 PM »
Does HTML 5 help people with low speed internet? I think so

I am also pleased with the Youtube Feather mode.

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Re: YouTube HTML5 Video Player
« Reply #16 on: January 23, 2010, 02:27:50 PM »
@ Logos

I found this interesting link

http://blog.dailymotion.com/2009/05/27/watch-videowithout-flash/

This is a quote from the article

"The new encoding formats we’re using are Ogg, Theora + Vorbis. They’re not yet as good as other common codecs such as H264, ON2 VP6, but they comprise an open format that is not patented, is free to use, and is supported by the Mozilla foundation (http://blog.wikimedia.org/2009/01/26/mozilla-and-wikimedia-join-forces-to-support-open-video/). So don’t worry - it’s going to improve soon. We have a few tricks to improve the quality, but for the moment re-encoding 300,000 videos in this format forced us to compromise."

OK thanks, what's weird when I attempt to download a video from Dailymotion is that is "offers" an H264/MP4 file...but indeed the playing in FF involves flashplayer with whatever codec they want, or HTML5 with as said Ogg/Theora.
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Re: YouTube HTML5 Video Player
« Reply #17 on: January 23, 2010, 02:28:29 PM »
Does HTML 5 help people with low speed internet? I think so

I am also pleased with the Youtube Feather mode.

this I don't know...could be
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Re: YouTube HTML5 Video Player
« Reply #18 on: January 23, 2010, 02:41:01 PM »
Hi ChrisThomas and Logos,

This is also interesting to read. Girorgi Maone mentions about NoScript not blocking- the UI glitch for the <video>-tag blocker (N.B. and that could be unwanted behavior in the case of malcode:
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They've put an absolutely positioned invisible div (of CSS class video_overlay) right over the movie (and the placeholder), preventing any click from reaching it. [bold by me]
I'm trying to work around, but I'm not sure if it's worth the effort.
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Not <VIDEO> element specific, anyway, even though this is probably an artifact of the way some web authors are going to implement contextual menus over <VIDEO> elements in HTML5.
Then later he states:
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Greatly mitigated in latest development build 1.9.5.7 Giorgio Maone -- Hackademix
And that is what I like, no obscurities, not hiding the obvious in plain site....that is why standards is for loosers....When I click the download buttons inside a WinCustomize dialog, Firefox is handling the downloads ... - Adds a Full Screen option to the context menu for HTML5 videos....

Another question for which  I did not get an answer to here is what if GoogleChrome for watching video's would become the standard, wouldn't that not also mean an enormous boost for that particular browser? Aren't we realizing now that Fx is fighting a battle to keep up with developments and that IE is forced to encapsulate GoogleChrome to be part of it. All these are very elaborate moves in the browser positioning chess-game (sorry video-game). I think the threads here are very informative in this respect as they give the dry and dirty facts on this...

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Re: YouTube HTML5 Video Player
« Reply #19 on: January 23, 2010, 02:59:58 PM »
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Another question for which  I did not get an answer to here is what if GoogleChrome for watching video's would become the standard, wouldn't that not also mean an enormous boost for that particular browser?

that's just what they're looking for obviously...but there will be reactions, counter-strikes  ;D to that I'm sure (OSS...already on the way as mentioned above) ... the biggest issue there is that Mozilla is not economically in a very comfortable position, they depend at 80% on Google (ie 80% of Mozilla income comes from Google >>> default home page after a freshly installed Firefox )
 The big losers here will be Adobe with Flash and MS with Silverlight.
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Re: YouTube HTML5 Video Player
« Reply #20 on: January 23, 2010, 03:09:55 PM »
It's true that users will have less control on the given web sites with Html5 but, isn't this a feature of WebKit, which is the open source part of Safari and/or Chrome rather than being exclusively to Google Chrome?  Also Ogg Vorbis/Theora formats are known to be less restrictive in terms of IP...  I don't deny the existence of browser/search engine war but how logical is it to see everything under such context?  ???

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Re: YouTube HTML5 Video Player
« Reply #21 on: January 23, 2010, 03:32:37 PM »
It's true that users will have less control on the given web sites with Html5 but, isn't this a feature of WebKit, which is the open source part of Safari and/or Chrome rather than being exclusively to Google Chrome?  Also Ogg Vorbis/Theora formats are known to be less restrictive in terms of IP...  I don't deny the existence of browser/search engine war but how logical is it to see everything under such context?  ???

OK users will lose some control only because the web site owners will have more control over their content with HTML5...I have no problem with that...better than the current 99% monopoly of adobe flash player on the Internet  ;D .. this said any new major internet feature is a new occasion to stimulate the browser's war, that's always expected.
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Re: YouTube HTML5 Video Player
« Reply #22 on: January 23, 2010, 09:18:20 PM »
Hi Logos,

Here is a description of an extension and a greasemonkeyscript to bring HTML5 to Firefox:
http://www.0xdeadbeef.com/weblog/2009/11/bringing-theora-to-youtube-the-hard-way/
Raedy for you YouTube Theora transcode and it works like this: it pulls down the video, uses Firefogg to transcode it, and then stuffs it back into the browser via a private URL.  It’s slow because it has to pull + encode the entire video, but it works surprisingly well for something that is as hacky as it is,

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Re: YouTube HTML5 Video Player
« Reply #23 on: January 23, 2010, 09:20:49 PM »
Hi Polonus, thanks for the info  ;)
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Re: YouTube HTML5 Video Player
« Reply #24 on: January 23, 2010, 11:17:04 PM »
Hi Logos,

If you knew Polonus, you would know that he would not rest until he found a nice solution to convert the GoogleChrome YouTube HTML5 video format to be played on my VLC Media player as a downloaded flv file. None of the proposed services could do it, but one. I went to http://www.mediaconverter.org/
The process takes some time but one could open another tab and do something else in the mean time.
It is easy give in the video link, choose the format to convert to and then when it shows download download an play with VLC. Normally a video download of a 6 minutes video takes 6 MB, here the download is 27 MB for a converted file. Somewhere there has to be done something with compression.
If you are on broadband, could be done, real easy. As for other countries I do not know but the EULA is for the U.K. where use of the services are legit, allthough I fear that it is not for DavidR with his dial-up connection,

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Re: YouTube HTML5 Video Player
« Reply #25 on: January 23, 2010, 11:36:36 PM »
congrats, good find  ;) ... gotta be careful with this sort of things now in France, heard of HADOPI ?  ;D
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Re: YouTube HTML5 Video Player
« Reply #26 on: January 23, 2010, 11:51:26 PM »
Hi Logos,

Of course one should always download legitimatly ;) In the Netherlands we also have entered this debate
and the government will come with a proposal in the coming three years to prohibit downloading from evident illegal sources, also make rules for commercial parties not to make money from illegal activities - but only copyrighted work can be protected in this way and how "old media" should be transformed to "new media" ways has not yet materialized. The download restrictions are meant here for commercial parties and are not meant to harass the individual user, well that is the Dutch point of view as it was presented,

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Re: YouTube HTML5 Video Player
« Reply #27 on: January 24, 2010, 12:11:26 AM »
and that's exactly the issue we have in France with the new laws, they're more meant at harassing individuals then to protect the authors...
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Re: YouTube HTML5 Video Player
« Reply #29 on: January 24, 2010, 03:50:49 AM »
@ Logos and Polonus

Doesn't this work?

http://keepvid.com/

Download and save videos directly from Youtube, Google, Metacafe, Putfile and more. Simply copy and paste.