ok, I messed up! What the actual pop up says (Iwrote it down this time) is: You are using an old vps (Virus Database) file: 0424-3 Please update. I run winxp home, I use Sygate as a firewall, bingo I think I will check with the firewall to see if it is allowing Avast to connect, and no there is no .exe and the version is 4.1 home Edition and I have tried to click on both icons and update everything that says update.. By the way, anyone got a clue as to what this ied_s7m file cabinet is on my local disk? I downloaded and run cwshredder, updated spybots&d and it is still there.