Hi everyone
well the problem is now is that i have had to restore the pc again because i got in a panic waiting for what essexboy may say, and afraid i could wait no longer not having antivirus, but i think i will still have the same problem, but i am in the process of using the windows update.
i will have to download those programs again if i need them (roguekiller, etc) at the moment the rubbish antivirus (norton) that came with pc is on the pc but the shield is off.
shall i start again or do what my instincs tell me, and uninstall norton, reboot, try installing avast 7 again? if so, i will have to look to where to download it safely, as i have no antivirus protecting me. the version i have that refused to work is i think version 5. Then i have 4.8 but 4.8 refuses to update but have not tried today but am tempted to after typing this.
the problem with attaching the logs is that sometimes errors or logs were not being created as logs and so i had to use screen capture, and the jpegs were too huge and so i had to try and capture partial areas of the entire page and break it up, to attach it due to attachment limit here. (if that makes sense)
thank you all for helping me and your patients