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Title: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: patrice58 on January 11, 2009, 09:29:19 PM
I want to know what one is better as I am using at the moment C.I.S. If I was to turn off real time scanning on C.I.S can I then use Avast for my real time scanning needs.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: gdiloren on January 11, 2009, 09:32:31 PM
Answer is yes but who really needs 2 AV ( these big dinausors I run them only from time to time and a full scan takes hours). I recommend using AVAST and Comodo FW. Uninstall Comodo AV, it's poor on virus detection. ;D
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: patrice58 on January 11, 2009, 09:33:39 PM
It is but the AV plus Defence + (plus) is better then good. It will have heuristic within the next month hmmmmm but I still have this nag that I should be running avast.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: solcroft on January 11, 2009, 09:59:51 PM
The antivirus component of CIS is HIGHLY unrecommended as of now, no matter what the Comodo fans may tell you. Defense+ is good if you can use it correctly, but the antivirus definitely isn't.

However, a much-hyped beta is going to be released soon (perhaps next week), so you might want to wait and see. Personally I'm taking the claims I hear about it with a grain of salt, but hopefully the antivirus will at least be brought up to a useable quality.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: Lisandro on January 11, 2009, 10:22:29 PM
The antivirus component of CIS is HIGHLY unrecommended as of now, no matter what the Comodo fans may tell you.
The antivirus is very very weak as far I know.
I do NOT recommend it either.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: patrice58 on January 12, 2009, 12:02:05 AM
It is but as I said with the AV is Defence + so I don't know if that makes any difference or is that still a weak package to have?
P.S. I know it sounds like I am defending Comodo but I just want the best my my computer I don't care who it is to be honest. Thinking of firewalls what happened to Avast's?
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: DavidR on January 12, 2009, 12:14:54 AM
Defense + isn't the AV, but was also a part of the stand alone comodo firewall after a certain version. It is more of a HIPS function than an AV, so the proper comodo AV would be part of any Comodo Internet Security Suite.

So there really is no benefit in using the Internet Suite if you are not going to install the AV, just use the stand alone firewall which comes with defence +.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: patrice58 on January 12, 2009, 12:27:27 AM
I do understand (and know) that defence + is not part of the AV but it too can block viruses so can do many of the same things that a anti virus can do. which is why I said "It is but the AV plus Defence + (plus) is better then good." but after all the pro comodo talk I still miss avast...............(sob.) Two questions 1 where is the avast firewall? 2 When is avast going to come with heuristics which is a question of when avast 5 will be out I guess?
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: sded on January 12, 2009, 12:53:27 AM
Current Comodo AV performance is met with lots of skepticism-I never used it when I was using CIS.  How good will the new version of the CIS AV  be next week?  What will its performance characteristics be?  No one knows, and there seems to be no plan for any near term objective evaluation.  Comodo says their goal is for the AV will be one of the best by October 2009, and it is currently January, so ???.  CIS is, afterall, becoming a new beta.  Avast! is already one of the best AVs, with a proven record of performance. If you want to be a beta? tester of the new CIS product, which also apparently integrates a lot of other features into CIS, can afford to recover from the problems, and don't really depend on the AV performance, there seem to be many Comodo fans willing to do that.  Using tools like Acronis True Image and being very careful of your HIPS setup can facilitate this.  If you want the best protection for your computer in the near term, and fewest potential issues, continuing using the Comodo Firewall and D+, but using Avast! (or other proven AV) as your AV is the recommendation.  BTW, Comodo seems to ignore the fact that the competition is also making great strides, so that by October the anti-malware playing field should be quite different.  There are new tools like Prevx Edge (and others) that seem to have lots of potential.  And, of course, Avast 5 should be a contemporary.  But "heuristics" can mean lots of different things depending on the vendor, like "cloud processing" and "behavior monitoring", and other popular phrases, so I am still looking to see what develops.  And plan to try out the "best of breed" rather than using any suite.  :)
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: patrice58 on January 12, 2009, 01:20:37 AM
You make many good points and saying that I will uninstall the AV part of comodo and install Avast which is a nice thing about comodo you can add and take away bits (or the whole of course) of the suite by just restarting your computer. (What made you use Online Armor and not carry on with Comodo?) I don't use beta software anyhow so I won't be using it not until the other testers iron out the bugs.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: sded on January 12, 2009, 01:53:23 AM
Actually I was using CFP on my main computer for about a year, and began beta testing OA for Vista on my backup mobile computer. I preferred it to Comodo there because of some features that make it very convenient to monitor and control public networks.  I continued to use CFP on my main computer, though.  Both are fine firewall/HIPS programs, but Comodo seemed to have abandoned fixing the issues there (and there are many for power users) to add a little bit of everything to their product line as well as throwing in the toolbar and AV.  The CIS transition caused some problems for my configuration, so I removed it (mostly, with some difficulty) from my main computer until the promised real stand-alone version appeared.  There was significant extra baggage when you simply didn't activate the AV and the toolbar.  And I have used Avast! on all my computers (currently 5) for several years, so continuing to do that was a no-brainer.  When Comodo decided to not do a real stand-alone, in pursuit of the (extended) suite, and OA actually added more beneficial features for me, I switched the main computer to OA also.  Melih decided to take issue with my sometimes critical comments on the company and the product, so I stopped being a moderator and deleted  my account, no longer a Comodo user.  "Best of Breed" is not popular there.  :) 
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: patrice58 on January 12, 2009, 02:31:36 AM
Lol eek! There is a stand alone version but as you say it's not really stand alone. Hmmmmmmmm interesting that Melih himself would a have problem with you (what did you say?) In saying that most of the forum seem to worship comodo and everything that comes from there, it's quite funny sometimes to watch. (I have the same username here and there.) I'll post the same question there and see what replies I will get. I will be back to let you all know.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: sded on January 12, 2009, 03:04:04 AM
Just don't drink the kool aid!  ;)  Actually, there are a number of users there who also prefer Avast!, so you may get some other interesting views by asking.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: darth on January 12, 2009, 03:04:22 AM
Yeah Sded, long time user of Comodo FW, in fact since V2.3.  Currently using V2.4.  Wouldn't take a chance on Comodo's CAV/CIS.  Avast has been my choice for AV for sometime.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: patrice58 on January 12, 2009, 03:10:54 AM
A Bill O'Reilly viewer I see................? I have asked the question lets see what happens by the way I was a long time user of avast but since I bought a new computer, I started to look around for a alternate AV not because I did not like avast but a change is good. I have tried Antivir and Comodo I did not like antivir as you don't really know if it is doing anything I guess the same goes for comodo's effort as well.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: patrice58 on January 12, 2009, 03:20:27 AM
Here's the link https://forums.comodo.com/feedbackcommentsannouncementsnews_cis/cis_vs_avast-t32997.0.html
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: normishmael on January 12, 2009, 04:29:16 AM
You know, I will not eat a bowl of chili if it is not Wolf Brand,
have used the same toothpaste since I was a kid,etc.
The point is I understand brand loyalty.
That said, some of the Comodo guys can get a little too
passonate.
Sometimes you just want to say: "Remember we are talking about ones and zeros guys,
not your Religion,your family or country."
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: solcroft on January 12, 2009, 07:23:58 AM
It is but as I said with the AV is Defence + so I don't know if that makes any difference or is that still a weak package to have?
P.S. I know it sounds like I am defending Comodo but I just want the best my my computer I don't care who it is to be honest. Thinking of firewalls what happened to Avast's?

The answer to that is: D+ does NOT protect you. All it does is to hand the job of protecting your computer back to you.

So whether D+ will make any difference depends on you. If you know how to protect your computer, then great. If not, don't bother.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: RejZoR on January 12, 2009, 07:32:14 AM
Detection wise avast! is still miles ahead for now. Leave D+ alone, thats only for users that know stuff and even those can make bad decisions here and there. We'll see how they'll improve new version of CIS as they were promising. Current CIS+Memory Firewall+BOclean+ heavily improved heuristics and signatures.
But until i actually get that thing in my hands i still think avast! is simply better for protection.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: passions on January 12, 2009, 10:18:54 AM
I am now using Avast antivirus plus comodo firewall ;D

You definitely can use CIS&avast at the same time rather than the realtime scanning

But personal PC user don't need to do this!!!
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: RejZoR on January 12, 2009, 10:59:14 AM
Sometimes you just want to say: "Remember we are talking about ones and zeros guys,
not your Religion,your family or country."

Actually religion is not much more physical than ones and zeros. Even less if you ask me :P
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: Sesame on January 12, 2009, 11:22:27 AM
One of our computers, I use Avast! Home and Comodo firewall with Defense plus.  Although compared with Firewall function, I'm much less confident with the configuration of D+, I don't think it lowers my defense than without it.  I leave basic protection as default and take action when an application asks me to do so.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: sded on January 12, 2009, 05:00:36 PM
Hi patrice58:
Took a look at your responses on the other board this morning.  Sometimes it seems like you are dealing with parrots (budgies in the UK?) rather than getting answers to your questions. 
As Solcroft posted, D+ is really only effective if you know how to recognize that the behavior of an application is anomalous-and perhaps many of the D+ users overestimate their ability to do that with the tools D+ supplies.  Especially with the tricks in names and behavior that malware can use.  Thus the rise of behavior blockers that try to automate some of that for you.  But if the release of the new CIS really happens this week, users can start to understand what is really there if they can pierce the rhetoric of the fans and get some objective evaluations.  In the meantime, Avast! can provide proven additional protection.  As others have pointed out, there can be some difficulty dealing with a cult dedicated to computer programs ???.  Good luck; Ed.  :)
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: Sesame on January 12, 2009, 05:25:06 PM
Hi patrice58,
Took a look at your responses on the other board this morning.  Sometimes it seems like you are dealing with parrots (budgies in the UK?) rather than getting answers to your questions.  As Solcroft posted, D+ is really only effective if you know how to recognize that the behavior of an application is anomalous-and perhaps many of the D+ users overestimate their ability to do that with the tools D+ supplies.  Especially with the tricks in names and behavior that malware can use.  Thus the rise of behavior blockers that try to automate some of that for you.  But if the release of the new CIS really happens this week, users can start to understand what is really there if they can pierce the rhetoric of the fans and get some objective evaluations.  In the meantime, Avast! can provide proven additional protection.  As others have pointed out, there can be some difficulty dealing with a cult dedicated to computer programs ???.  Good luck; Ed.  :)
Shed, I know you named patrice58 specifically but please keep the discussion open.  I'm bit puzzled here and, to be honest, I haven't got even a slightest idea on your talks of religions and cults or what you may be implying with the rhetoric.

In one of my computers, I use the latest version (3.5.something) of Comodo firewall (means, no anti-virus).  I use defense plus.  It scanned the computer when it was installed and quite many applications were identified through the process.  So, there is not manyt things left for the users.  After that, at times it requires me to take some actions such as if I should allow a certain app to write on the hard disk or registry entry...which doesn't seem to be so complicated to me.  Or am I yet another user who overestimates my ability?  I am asking this question since I am wondering if I am opening a security hole in my system through D+ or not, which is not what I want to do, of course.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: solcroft on January 12, 2009, 05:39:13 PM
Shed, I know you named patrice58 specifically but please keep the discussion open.  I'm bit puzzled here and, to be honest, I haven't got even a slightest idea on your talks of religions and cults or what you may be implying with the rhetoric.

I believe sded was referring to the crowd atmosphere at the Comodo forums, where... ah... admiration - or, at least, non-dissent - towards the company are requirements for the privilege of posting there. :P

It's too bad that most of the official staff who patrol the forum are quite militant towards dissension among the ranks. Many of the viruslab staff are nice people, as far as I can tell. ;D
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: Sesame on January 12, 2009, 05:44:32 PM
Thanx for your reply, solcroft.
Actually, I was wondering if I should visit/register Comodo forum but I changed my mind after reading your comment.  ;D  This is the forum I most frequent and I guess I'm happy here.  ;)
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: sded on January 12, 2009, 06:33:10 PM
The discussions on HIPS (including D+) center around how a user tells whether a request (to write to a disk, for example) for an unknown program should be allowed or not.  There are various approaches to this, including whitelists which show what known programs might do, but it basically up to your knowledge of what programs should be doing on your computer at the current time because of the "zero day" problem.  The fact that there are often lots of things going on in the background (like updates, etc.) further complicates the ability to do "situational awareness".  Behavior blockers, for example, attempt to characterize sequences of these activities that might be indicative of malware, rather than depending on you not to hit "allow and remember" and having you do the characterization manually.  And whether a program is known or not can be complicated by names like comodoa.exe or or svchst.exe being used by malware.  Most of the time all of the popups are indeed harmless, which tends to lull the user into a sense of complacency.  And remember that only a small percentage of the users of a security program even frequent forums like this and worries about problems like this, and so there is a large population of soft targets out there if much interaction is required.  An AV (like Avast!) indeed only solves a percentage of the problem, but when it does there is a large "THIS IS A VIRUS, DELETE OR QUARANTINE IT" sign that almost all users will understand, rather than a "c0modo.exe wants to ...".
My comment to Patrice58 was just that when I looked at his reference, there seemed to be one attempt to answer his questions, and several postings that were simply affirmations of faith about the Comodo AV claims for the future.  Maybe there will be more help later?
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: patrice58 on January 12, 2009, 10:22:07 PM
Erm I am a "he" not a "she"  :o lol it's a easy mistake to make tho with my username being what it is and all.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: polonus on January 12, 2009, 10:26:04 PM
Hi folks in this thread,

I worked avast next to COMODOBoClean for quite some time now, never an issue,

polonus
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: sded on January 12, 2009, 10:28:24 PM
Sorry Patrice58; should have looked for the symbol instead of just at the name.  I fixed the post and will get it right now.  :)  Regards; Ed.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: patrice58 on January 12, 2009, 10:34:19 PM
Ah don't worry I mean there is more in life to worry about...................like Comodo or Avast..........Lol. I'm Leon, BTW how did you become a mod on the forums or was in a case of it's not what you know it's who you know?
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: sded on January 12, 2009, 10:54:20 PM
I was an early user of CFP3 beta for Vista because I wanted something better than the Vista Firewall that didn't slow down the system a lot like the then current Zone Alarm did.  There were a lot of early CFP3 beta problems in general, some that I could help users with (like with networks and protocols).  I had registered at the Comodo site a couple of years before (tried v2 and didn't like it) so they figured I must be an old timer and fan and asked me to be a mod, since I was spending time helping others anyway.  It helped me to get more familiar with CFP and also using it with Avast!  Not a good fit with their culture, but learned a lot and had some fun until it was time to move along.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: patrice58 on January 12, 2009, 11:15:43 PM
I understand but what is security centre gonna report if I have C.I.S. (with realtime scanning turned off) and avast running?

Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: sded on January 12, 2009, 11:33:03 PM
If you don't install (or do uninstall) the CIS AV, should be no problem with Avast! being there instead. Security center did work fine with that configuration, so new version should also.  Usually can't install two on-access AVs and just turn one of them off because of conflicts-the lower level drivers get loaded anyway, and you are just turning off their use.  Will the latest CIS AV install in an on-demand mode so there is no conflict?  If not, then the use of things like SAS and MBAM mentioned in the Comodo thread are excellent (free) offline alternatives.  And a good thing to run weekly or so anyway.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: patrice58 on January 13, 2009, 12:48:14 AM
I have some if not all of the on demand scanner tool things (check my sig) as for comodo no it won't the only way is to load it and then turn off the real time scanning of C.I.S and use another AV for your real time needs.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: sded on January 13, 2009, 01:23:21 AM
OK; looks like you are familiar with using them then.  I do SAS weekly, sometimes MBAM also.  When you install the new CIS, just don't select installing the AV, and Security Center should work fine and show Avast! for antivirus and Comodo for firewall-at least it did on earlier CIS versions.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: patrice58 on January 13, 2009, 01:43:30 AM
Yeah it will do in another life I did use Avast with Comodo (win xp) so I can have one or the other but not both...............(tut!)
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: Sesame on January 13, 2009, 04:32:58 AM
sded, thank you for your explanation.  I am enough to be around here to know that you are knowledgeable.

I find Defense Plus is more user friendly than System Security Monitor, if less configurable, but both has the same problem - there is always possibility that the users may allow malware to do their "jobs".  The same thing can be said about firewall.  That said, personally, I think Comodo did a decent job in balancing accessibility and configurability with their 3.5 version.  I think one of the important parts of security applications is that they should desirably let the users learn how their computer works normally and let them alerted when something is "different."

BTW, even polonus recommends Comodo BoClean?  I'm happy with CCleaner but more security focused one may not be a bad addition...hmm... 

As for "sex" issue, I often use "he/she" when I'm unsure but, in English, it is much less problematic than in more "sexist" languages.  ;D
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: sded on January 13, 2009, 04:54:02 AM
I haven't used BOClean, but others think well of it as a real time anti-malware.  I don't have any problems with D+ either, just for some of the claims for it as I tried to summarize.  I used it for a year with no real problems except for things like logging-it is pretty opaque in what it does sometimes.  There also seem to be some hidden rules that don't show up anywhere.  Another idea you might find interesting is Prevx Edge at http://www.prevx.com/prevxedge.asp.  It does things like use an online whitelist/blacklist as a behavior analysis tool along with behavioral heuristics to try to alert to what might be a problem for you with a very short lag time.  See http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=230168 for a current discussion.  Runs fine with Avast!, but I had some other issues that I couldn't sort out, so will try the next release again.  I also use CCleaner, although it is really a junk remover that in addition does a modest registry clean for obvious stuff.  But there are a lot of experts who say that registry cleaners are now snake oil, and polls at places like Broadband Reports http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21710608~viewpoll=1#poll21710608 show that CCleaner is by far the most popular with experienced users.  Lots of interesting stuff happening in the security world this year.  :)  And most of it seems to run fine with Avast!
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: normishmael on January 13, 2009, 10:08:36 AM
Sometimes you just want to say: "Remember we are talking about ones and zeros guys,
not your Religion,your family or country."

Actually religion is not much more physical than ones and zeros. Even less if you ask me :P

No offence intended RejZoR.
For some of us Religion is a source of strength and hope in our lives.
For others,it becomes like nationalism,an excuse to close our mind
to "outsiders"
We are OK on defending our family with some zeal,right?
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: patrice58 on January 14, 2009, 01:54:36 AM
I will give the comodo team a chance to impress me (with their "new" build) when it is out of beta but if it does not then hay I still know where I can get a top of the range AV from...................
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: Sesame on January 14, 2009, 02:47:54 AM
I don't have any problems with D+ either, just for some of the claims for it as I tried to summarize.  I used it for a year with no real problems except for things like logging-it is pretty opaque in what it does sometimes.  There also seem to be some hidden rules that don't show up anywhere.
Now you mentioned logging...I'm unhappy with logging of both Comodo firewall/D+.  I miss detailed logs of old Kerio and Jetico.  Also, I'd like to have an ability to make rules from logs...relying on real-time judgment is not wise.  This is related with the learning process I mentioned above in letting the users examine what happened and allowing them to deal with them better.  Some firewalls have "learning mode" but it's the firewall who/what is learning - not its user.  I think Avast forum is good place for the users to educate each other and that this is one of the better asset/strength of Alwil.  I hope Avast! 5 will be designed to make full use of this asset.  Even if detailed logging may not help an inexperienced user directly, sharing the info at the forum may help him/her, for example.

I will give the comodo team a chance to impress me (with their "new" build) when it is out of beta but if it does not then hay I still know where I can get a top of the range AV from...................
You can give Alwil team a chance to impress you when Avast! 5 is out, too.  ;)
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: patrice58 on January 14, 2009, 03:01:12 AM
Oh don't worry about that I will be here watching and waiting for it...........  ;D
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: patrice58 on January 14, 2009, 03:03:55 AM
What's wrong with Comodo's logging? (firewall or and Defence +) (plus.)
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: sded on January 14, 2009, 03:05:43 AM
I also used Kerio and Jetico, along with several others, to learn about firewalls, and thought Sygate actually had the most useful logging.  I can't understand why Comodo thinks that their power users don't want to use the firewall log as a problem solver, but that's the way it is.  Lots of requests by users have gone nowhere.  I also have a problem with their use of SPI on the firewall, which is undocumented and doesn't do the most classical advantage SPI-passive FTP so you don't need to allow all of the high order outbound ports to use it.  But they are no longer my problem.   Much of the Comodo forum has morphed into a social networking exercise, and you get answers that don't help you.  Or just cheerleading.  But there are still some good sources there.  :)
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: sded on January 14, 2009, 03:17:22 AM
As far as logging, CIS does selective logging-in spite of what you might choose, they actually do the selection.  SPI controlled features can't be blocked or logged at all, for example.  D+ has no way to log allowed events.  If you want to log everything, CIS won't do it.  For a simple exercise, try to log all allowed input or all output as a global rule.  Or go to GRC at http://www.grc.com/intro.htm and do a port scan and try to log all the results.  You will need to bypass your router to do that one, since NAT will block it otherwise.  Check the new version to see if there has been an upgrade; haven't used it in a few months-If they have fixed it and just not told anyone, good on them anyway.  I ran experiments to support disgruntled users on how to log things to solve their problems, and admit failure-but that was last year, so ???  You might still be able to do a search under "logging" for some of the threads and possibly add my user ID for some of the specific experiments.
BTW, this might have been a firewall deal breaker if I had not been a mod-I depend on the firewall logs to help with the hard problems, along with things like Wireshark.   Don't know anything about the CIS AV logging, but Avast! logging is pretty simple and straightforward and includes a debug mode.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: patrice58 on January 14, 2009, 03:22:41 AM
http://www.personalfirewall.comodo.com/release_notes.html
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: patrice58 on January 14, 2009, 03:28:38 AM
The one problem I have had with the firewall and the AV using one process is that if the AV scan crashes for any reason it takes the firewall down with it. (It does happen, only once but still..........) Which for something as important as a firewall is something you can do without, even tho resource use is great as it would be seen only one process is being used but there is a down side as above.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: sded on January 14, 2009, 03:36:50 AM
Interesting.  Agree that the AV killing the firewall shouldn't happen-Firewall/D+ is still advertised as "standalone".  Other strange thing I have seen there is that the AV won't run in safe mode either, so that if you have a virus problem CIS can't fix it there.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: lukor on January 14, 2009, 12:55:28 PM
... even tho resource use is great as it would be seen only one process is being used but there is a down side as above.

Hmm, processes are pretty cheap resource. There is indeed some work for the scheduler and some memory taken for every running process, but the mere fact that a system (like firewall) is hosted inside one process does not in my opinion say anything about its lightness on resources.

Edited.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: IBadget on January 14, 2009, 01:25:35 PM
Interesting.  Agree that the AV killing the firewall shouldn't happen-Firewall/D+ is still advertised as "standalone".  Other strange thing I have seen there is that the AV won't run in safe mode either, so that if you have a virus problem CIS can't fix it there.

I'm fortunate that I installed Malwarebytes Antimalware a couple of months ago. Last month, I was hit with a Trojan that froze my computer whenever I booted up the machine. So, I went into Safe Mode with Networking and did a scan with MBAM. Thank God MBAM runs in Safe Mode. After MBAM removed all Trojans and asked me to reboot the computer to delete the Trojans on reboot, my computer worked normally again. MBAM is a real life saver. Now whenever I download a program, I right-click on the newly-downloaded program to tell MBAM to scan the file and report whether or not it's malware. Also, to make sure I don't get hit with future malware via automatic installation, e.g., spyware, I have installed Comodo BOClean. Now I'm very confident about my computer.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: gery on January 14, 2009, 09:11:48 PM
1-When talking about Comodo we all agree that it was a very good free firewall and the people there are giving a hard try to make a good firewall. Recently there is a great HIPS supporting thing going around in security forums and mainly this is something legitimate for those who really know what HIPS and malware blocking is all about.Let us think about the majority of business or school, or a a very ignorant (in the meaning of not heaving enough understanding or knowledge) that never thought about installing HIPS or malware scanners . In every moment this people can not depend on something that depends on their decision whether the blocked thing is bad or fine thing. The result needs no comment
2-Secondly the ease of use. Some people like myself who play a little with these thing find out that Comodo is a very frustrating software in terms of installation and uninstallation. I am not the only one who had problems with Comodo.
3-Comodo antivirus may become good in detection at best but can this be a premise that it will be a good healer or cleaner? History of Antivirus Antimalware cleaners tells the opposite.They all have problems including Avast but they have a longer time in this battle   
4-How long will CIS be totally free? Will it follow its competitors on the long and very harsh way of economic disaster?
 
5-What about compatibility issues with other software having resident webshield?
the list of cons may become longer but there are better choices like OA or PCTOOLS etc which require a very little intervention and do almost the same job . I think SAS or MBAM are pretty normal back up scanners that will do no harm to have installed alongside AVAST.

Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: patrice58 on January 15, 2009, 12:53:31 AM
Hey Everybody !

Just wanted to let you guys know what you can expect in the next version of CIS 3.5:

Heuristics - This will be added to the Antivirus Component. The Heuristic will be similar to CIMA and on similar lines to Kaspersky and Avira.

Threat Cast
Extended Whitelist & Blacklist for the Firewall & Defense - This will provide even greater usability! If the  AV in CIS detects a malware for example for blacklisting, D+ will not bother alerting for it. Whitelisting, same thing, theoretically you should not get a D+ Alert. Over 1 million whitelisted executables will be added.
Brand new AV Signature Format - The signature format will improve for speed & efficiency, Due to so many malware getting sent to Comodo and so many signatures getting released. Memory Consumption will be reduced, Removing malware will be better, and less False Positives.
Comodo Memory Firewall, full developed & integrated
Comodo BOClean

Release date is unknown.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: patrice58 on January 15, 2009, 01:09:29 AM
That was posted from http://forums.comodo.com/overview_cis/development_activities_for_comodo_internet_security_as_of_december_2008-t31970.0.html;new#new
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: sded on January 15, 2009, 01:29:40 AM
Looks like a big bang will occur shortly.  Hope they have done extensive simulation, emulation,  and analysis and lots of closed beta testing before open beta release of all this stuff together.  Good luck to them, but certainly seems like an unusually ambitious and risky way to do software development and deployment.  Wonder if they could just need to get most of their hundreds of developers off the payroll.  Also hope they have an efficient plan for controlling the problem identification, tracking, resolution and upgrade process-has been a real weakness in the past if you read the forum comments.  But all will be revealed in time.  ;)
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: patrice58 on January 15, 2009, 01:33:58 AM
Oh sorry that was from December I know now that BOClean will not be included in this "new" improved version that no one has seen yet, even now.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: patrice58 on January 15, 2009, 02:00:27 AM
Every virus update has 4000 sigs or so one of the mods say.................
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: sded on January 15, 2009, 03:46:14 AM
Hard to say what that number means, except that they are making progress.  A bit dated, but you might find http://www.av-comparatives.org/seiten/ergebnisse/Release_rates.pdf interesting.  Don't know what Avast! might say, but current data from places like Norton says that a mature AV might have a few million equivalent signatures updated at the rate of a few thousand a week, more if there is lots of activity.  Because of things like generic signatures and different heuristic approaches, ???  Time to discover and analyze is key, and behavioral tools like Prevx Edge and others try to do that in near real time based on user discovery-pity the first victim, of course.   There is actually quite a bit of sharing between the AV companies, but Comodo does not seem interested in joining their conferences and groups.   And since most firewalls now include HIPS ( in spite of Comodo claims for D+ being "special" ) there is a way to also look at the actions of what passes the AV test if you know how to evaluate.  How well Comodo has extended Threatcast (it originally just presented raw data, like voting on the value of pi) and the implemented heuristics approach is yet to be seen, but similar techniques are widely used with variable results.  So the countdown continues.  :)
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: Vladimyr on January 15, 2009, 06:36:31 AM
Aahh C.O.M.O.D.O. . . . .   Resource hog one day, fast and loose the next!

avast! is way ahead for home use in my opinion, but let's all try to keep an open mind.

I was never much enamoured of the Comodo AV 2.0 Beta. It was just too horribly slow in use to be consdered a viable alternative to anything!
I've been testing CIS 3.5 for a little while now and I must say, there's quite a lot to like. The main UI and messages may not be entirely to my taste but they're clear and mostly easy to understand.
Some commercial users I know have dumped their previous McAfee and CA Home/Office multi-user license packs in favour of Comodo (and some to PC Tools Free AV). They tell me they have not had any functional, stability or security problems with CIS 3.5 (Note: They are only installing the AV) and they are saving a little money. My only complaint so far on test machines is a high FP rate.

cheers







Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: solcroft on January 15, 2009, 08:14:28 AM
Heuristics - This will be added to the Antivirus Component. The Heuristic will be similar to CIMA and on similar lines to Kaspersky and Avira.

Threat Cast
Extended Whitelist & Blacklist for the Firewall & Defense - This will provide even greater usability! If the  AV in CIS detects a malware for example for blacklisting, D+ will not bother alerting for it. Whitelisting, same thing, theoretically you should not get a D+ Alert. Over 1 million whitelisted executables will be added.

Ahhh... from solid rock-bottom straight to Avira-class heuristics, I wonder what the Comodo marketing guys will come up with next. :D Would be a miracle if they really pulled it off, though.

User-voted whitelists were a failure as implemented by Mamutu (still caused it to trigger on critical OS processes), let's see how Comodo does it...

As for 4000 sigs per update, they sure as hell need it. First off their detection capability stinks, and they've got a hell lot of catching up to do; second their generic detection ability is even worse, and modfying a few bytes of a binary is often all that's needed to bypass the AV.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: RejZoR on January 15, 2009, 11:12:35 AM
Actually CIS is a pretty good option for those companies that don't want to spend any money on protection, yet they want to have something. It's better than ClamWin and can be used in commercial environments.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: patrice58 on January 15, 2009, 11:48:35 AM
and modfying a few bytes of a binary is often all that's needed to bypass the AV. WHAT!!? Tell me your joking.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: solcroft on January 15, 2009, 12:00:37 PM
Actually CIS is a pretty good option for those companies that don't want to spend any money on protection. It's better than ClamWin ...
Well, that's certainly news to me.

and modfying a few bytes of a binary is often all that's needed to bypass the AV. WHAT!!? Tell me your joking.
This is true for all AVs, actually... though to varying degrees of difficulty.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: RejZoR on January 15, 2009, 04:08:58 PM
Yeah, well most of free AV's are strictly limited to home personal usage only. CIS however is not as it's free anyway (Pro pack is just extra insurance and support). So yeah, it can be used even in companies...
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: solcroft on January 15, 2009, 04:16:05 PM
I meant the "better than ClamWin" part. ;D
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: Vladimyr on January 17, 2009, 09:29:01 AM
Hey Everybody !

Just wanted to let you guys know what you can expect in the next version of CIS 3.5:

Heuristics - This will be added to the Antivirus Component. The Heuristic will be similar to CIMA and on similar lines to Kaspersky and Avira.

Threat Cast
Extended Whitelist & Blacklist for the Firewall & Defense - This will provide even greater usability! If the  AV in CIS detects a malware for example for blacklisting, D+ will not bother alerting for it. Whitelisting, same thing, theoretically you should not get a D+ Alert. Over 1 million whitelisted executables will be added.
Brand new AV Signature Format - The signature format will improve for speed & efficiency, Due to so many malware getting sent to Comodo and so many signatures getting released. Memory Consumption will be reduced, Removing malware will be better, and less False Positives.
Comodo Memory Firewall, full developed & integrated
Comodo BOClean

Release date is unknown.


Attention! This is in no way a recommendation by me for anyone to install CIS betas! but...

CIS Beta 3.5.61373.458, including many of features listed above (e.g. no CIMA based "heuristics" yet) was released yesterday. Most horrifying is the almost orgasmic (in one case literally (https://forums.comodo.com/beta_corner_cis/comodo_internet_security_3561373458_beta_released-t33176.0.html;msg238273#msg238273)) euphoria of many users/testers' forum comments.  :o ::) ;D
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: RejZoR on January 17, 2009, 09:48:45 AM
Well it has some awful scanning problems. It took like 2 hours just to scan harmless MP3 files where avast! would have completed that in like 10 minutes at most...
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: sded on January 17, 2009, 04:28:35 PM
Took a quick look to see what was happening, and other than the euphoria there seems to be an incomplete alpha product that has been released for public testing and for investigating the potential of some interesting new features.  If you enjoy security product testing as a hobby, seems lots to have fun with and try out as the product matures.  But as Comodo warns, it is not for a production environment, or for use in a machine you are dependent on.  John Navas summarized it well at http://forums.comodo.com/comodo_internet_security_cis_firewall_av_and_defense/comodo_internet_security_3561373458_beta_qas_feedback_screenshots-t33174.0.html;msg238581;boardseen#new .  So looks like the answer today is still Avast! by a wide margin.  :)
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: patrice58 on January 17, 2009, 05:21:46 PM
No that is not true I am using it and it is wonderful it makes me breakfast in the morning and supper at night, it also controls my home security. (If you believe ANY of that then send me cash to PO BOX 453 thanks.)
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: sded on January 17, 2009, 05:24:53 PM
This should give the Comodo mods plenty to do also.  Maybe they can open a PayPal account for gratuities?  ;)
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: patrice58 on January 17, 2009, 05:25:46 PM
In all honesty I see Comodo (as in the suite C.I.S) getting worse before it gets better.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: patrice58 on January 17, 2009, 05:29:38 PM
Lol I would not put it past them they say they have a huge team all working on different products, hmmmm that I think is a lie they might have a big  (maybe 300 staff) team but when they have a deadline they all work on the same product as some products they have there have not been updated in quite a long time.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: rdmaloyjr on January 17, 2009, 05:57:44 PM
Actually CIS is a pretty good option for those companies that don't want to spend any money on protection, yet they want to have something. It's better than ClamWin and can be used in commercial environments.

PC Tools av can be used in commercial environments.

Quote
PC Tools AntiVirus Free Edition feature highlights
Protects your PC as you are working, surfing and playing
Detects, quarantines, disinfects and destroys Viruses, Trojans and Worms
IntelliGuard™ protects your computer against threats in real-time
Automatically checks for frequent updates against the latest threats
Best of all it's FREE. No catches, limitations or time-limits.

Quote
Free for Personal & Commercial Use
Spyware Terminator is licensed for free for both home and business use.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: sded on January 17, 2009, 06:13:22 PM
Have you ever been involved with major software developments?  Seen the problems of wrapping that many people around a product, even with a whole lot more discipline than Comodo exhibits?  There seems to have been a misconception on the existence and completion of the new features in the beta, at least by those who understand what a beta is.  But Comodo so far has shown the deep pockets necessary to fix things.  Again, good luck to them, but ??? 
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: patrice58 on January 17, 2009, 06:17:59 PM
Ah ha but that's my point having money does not mean all products they produce will be perfect (in saying that nothing is but.) I think they should just work on what they are good at and leave the rest, Comodo is trying to be all things to all people, but right now they are coming across as jack of all trades master of none.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: sded on January 17, 2009, 06:37:41 PM
A lot of potential upgraders seem to be taking a "wait and see" at this point because of the extent of the new beta, and the more heavily involved are beta testing it as expected.  No idea of their future beta schedule.  But a bit more maturity in the betas might avoid some of the messages they get like http://forums.comodo.com/forum_policy_violation_board/this_is_why_the_world_needs_comodo-t29645.0.html  (banned, removed, heavily censored, but still publicly available for some reason.  And funny!  :) )
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: patrice58 on January 17, 2009, 07:25:16 PM
There is no way that thing is going on my PC I'll let the other "smart" people test it. Lol @ forum post with rude words removed by mods.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: patrice58 on January 17, 2009, 08:08:52 PM
Hi Guys,

We have just released COMODO Internet Security 3.5.61373.458 BETA.

Whats new in 3.5.61373.458 BETA?
--------------------------------------------------

NEW! Threatcast integration: COMODOs community based alerts reply statistics reintroduced
NEW! Native Vista Firewall: New COMODO Network Stack based firewall engine using new vista technologies(dramatic performance improvements)
NEW! Native Vista HIPS: New Vista HIPS compatible with Vista PatchGuard. Now Defense+ introduces kernel level protection in Vista SP1 X64 or later
NEW! COMODO Memory Firewall integration: CIS now includes builtin system wide buffer overflow protection
NEW! AV Heuristics: The AV engine now includes heuristics scanning capable of detecting unknown viruses generically
IMPROVED! Trusted software vendor list is expanded, capable of detecting thousands of applications generically without any signatures
IMPROVED! Revised AV engine: AV engine scanning and updating speed increased significantly

Known Issues:
-----------------------
* First boot after the installation might sometimes take longer than expected: This issue is being investigated
* The virus database in this version is a test database and is therefore different from the virus DB of the released version. This means detection rates are different

This is a BETA software and is NOT intended for the end users. Never install this version on a production PC. 

Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: patrice58 on January 17, 2009, 08:11:54 PM
Never install this version on a production PC = I am using a production PC as is maybe 90 per cent of home users so what's the point?
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: Giraffe on January 17, 2009, 10:36:17 PM
Yesterday I installed the Beta; had to do a couple of reboots, then set up things again (as I had to let the installer uninstall the previous version).
Did a scan, set D+ to Clean PC for a while, then Safe Mode.

Most important: turned off Real Time Protection in the AV. Even if the AV part of CIS gets up to the level of other AVs I prefer Avast's shields.

So far they are working well together (once Avast was set to ignore the 2 instances of heur.cav).
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: patrice58 on January 17, 2009, 10:47:39 PM
The things I miss apart from the extra sigs that Avast has is the little blue spinning ball.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: Giraffe on January 17, 2009, 11:17:49 PM
After 8 cans of Carlsberg Export I seem to have 2 of them.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: patrice58 on January 17, 2009, 11:48:16 PM
Lol let the good times roll..........................
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: DavidR on January 18, 2009, 12:07:29 AM
Which is normal unless you have merged the 'i' and 'a' icons ;D
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: patrice58 on January 18, 2009, 12:48:34 AM
No as in my case (when I had avast) the show hidden icon used to hide the I
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: patrice58 on January 18, 2009, 04:37:36 AM
With the permission of Melih...

Total Signatures: 1,013,164   1,027,031 (edited by Melih...sorry the guys are working extra this weekend!!!  )
Total Whitelisted Files: 1,107,514  (Currently in the CIS beta)

Remember the signatures include genetic signatures (1 signature could mean 5 different variants, or 100), And when the heuristics is final this will be a much bigger number too... Comodo will continue to create more signatures. It's getting there VERY fast, And with all the amazing users sending Comodo samples.. Plus the heuristics, Comodo will simply suppress the competition in around September (When Melih promised he will deliver one of the best, if not he best AV).

This number will grow by 4,000 signatures a day and more.

You don't have any AV Tests for CIS...
You don't know how good it is from AV-Comparativies.com...
You don't know how good it is from VB100...
You don't know how good it is from any other AV Testing organization...

But you have Melih's word. 

Well done Comodo!!! 
That was a cut a paste of the comodo website and that was posted yesterday.........In such a short space in time that's not too bad at all. Lol @ you have Melih's word. When you compare it to this http://www.kaspersky.com/avupdates they have come a long way still have loads more to do of course.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: sded on January 18, 2009, 04:50:12 AM
LOL.  I guess I just don't know how to deal with faith based security.  :)  But I hope they don't "suppress the competition" too violently.  ;)  Especially with their expressed goal of making the internet safe for everyone.  Most of them probably mean well, in spite of it all.  And they obviously have put in a lot of effort, so we'll see what happens,  In the meantime I'll stick with Avast! and look to see what happens with Avast! 5, which should be out before October when CIS AV is advertised to be complete.  And continue to see what is happening with other (non Comodo) products that seem to offer "best of breed" potential for enhanced security.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: Sesame on January 18, 2009, 05:33:17 AM
As far as logging, CIS does selective logging-in spite of what you might choose, they actually do the selection.  SPI controlled features can't be blocked or logged at all, for example.  D+ has no way to log allowed events.  If you want to log everything, CIS won't do it.  For a simple exercise, try to log all allowed input or all output as a global rule.  Or go to GRC at http://www.grc.com/intro.htm and do a port scan and try to log all the results.  You will need to bypass your router to do that one, since NAT will block it otherwise.  Check the new version to see if there has been an upgrade; haven't used it in a few months-If they have fixed it and just not told anyone, good on them anyway.  I ran experiments to support disgruntled users on how to log things to solve their problems, and admit failure-but that was last year, so ???  You might still be able to do a search under "logging" for some of the threads and possibly add my user ID for some of the specific experiments.
I tried to check with grc.com but, since our home network has layered packet-based protections, it would take time to get through all of them to the PC, turning off an ISP service, setting the PC to a server in DMZ and turning off all the firewall rules on the router toward the PC.  So, I checked it on a public LAN when I'm out, but I ended up with testing the local firewall.  :(  What I can say is that I didn't find any strange connection with CurrPorts when I was on the public LAN.  I use OpenDNS for domain name servers, though.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: bri on January 18, 2009, 05:38:11 AM
alot of fp's with cis beta,i tried and got alot when downloading from well know sites and when using sandboxie.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: Vladimyr on January 18, 2009, 05:50:54 AM
A lot of potential upgraders seem to be taking a "wait and see" at this point because of the extent of the new beta, and the more heavily involved are beta testing it as expected.  No idea of their future beta schedule.  But a bit more maturity in the betas might avoid some of the messages they get like http://forums.comodo.com/forum_policy_violation_board/this_is_why_the_world_needs_comodo-t29645.0.html  (banned, removed, heavily censored, but still publicly available for some reason.  And funny!  :) )

...and 'solcroft', is that you I see "stirring the pot" there too? :o http://forums.comodo.com/forum_policy_violation_board-b111.0/ They must know that you are right-now reverse engineering their superior product from behind the Bamboo Curtain   ;D ;D


Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: RejZoR on January 18, 2009, 08:24:14 AM
@sded
Same here. I am testing it but untill i see some physical results i'll just have to trust my good old trustworthy avast! that has proved itself well several times already in many tests and in real world.

Besides, many promised ultimate detection but only few actually delivered it. So far only AVIRA and Kaspersky fall into that category...
On the other hand ALWIL guys also delivered everything they've promised to us s far so thats also very good.
They promised improved handling of samples and false positives and all that is now a reality. Maybe it's not fully operational but we can already see their new infrastruture in action. New samples are added faster and false positives are also fixed faster.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: Sesame on January 18, 2009, 09:28:03 AM
@sded
Same here. I am testing it but untill i see some physical results i'll just have to trust my good old trustworthy avast! that has proved itself well several times already in many tests and in real world.
The problem is that it is time consuming to complete a precise test and most of our knowledge is pretty limited.  I don't have knowledge enough to do test on Antivirus.  Basic functions of firewall is relatively easier but is still time consuming.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: solcroft on January 18, 2009, 10:55:30 AM
The problem is that it is time consuming to complete a precise test and most of our knowledge is pretty limited.  I don't have knowledge enough to do test on Antivirus.  Basic functions of firewall is relatively easier but is still time consuming.

That's the exact reason why so many vendors get away with ridiculously impossible claims. ;D

I'll be testing it in February, since I have time to kill before my vacation runs out. Come next month we'll see just exactly how well the new CIS beta performs. Preliminary estimates at the moment are approx 40-50% detection with heuristics at high, a big improvement since CIS 3.5 rarely goes beyond 20%. But we'll see.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: solcroft on January 18, 2009, 10:56:02 AM
...and 'solcroft', is that you I see "stirring the pot" there too? :o http://forums.comodo.com/forum_policy_violation_board-b111.0/ They must know that you are right-now reverse engineering their superior product from behind the Bamboo Curtain   ;D ;D

What can I say, Melih just has a special spot in his heart for me. ;D
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: Giraffe on January 18, 2009, 11:44:26 AM
Which is normal unless you have merged the 'i' and 'a' icons ;D

Oh, hadn't noticed the icons.  ;D
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: patrice58 on January 18, 2009, 12:53:05 PM
The AV is poor (but in saying that my computer is clean so I guess it must be doing a ok ish job.)  As I have said before Defence plus should alert you to viruses as well so it could be what the AV does not pick up defence plus will alert you too? Maybe? That might be why they can make the clams they are making.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: lukor on January 18, 2009, 02:03:00 PM
The AV is poor (but in saying that my computer is clean so I guess it must be doing a ok ish job.) 

Althought I run avast on the computer I writting right now, I use several systems without any AV and they are all clean. I guess this is not exactly a strong proof for the fact that viruses don't exist at all.

Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: Sesame on January 18, 2009, 02:33:56 PM
I don't know How I can be sure that our systems are all clean.  Thanks to packet monitoring applications such as Currports and Wireshark (a bit verbose to me), I can check out connections, but I don't know how to monitor malware activities especially silent ones.  HIPS applications may give me hints but I'm not knowledgeable enough to systematically grasp what is going on our computers.  HIPS apps may give me warning if something outside of daily routines happen but that's all.

Although I'm still wondering if I should choose Online Armor or Comodo firewall at the moment, as for AV, I keep using Avast! and AntiVir on our machines simply because some third party virus test rated them OK to higher level.  They tend to put AntiVir slightly above Avast!, though.  I don't know how to check AV by myself, so, I simply rely on well-reputed sources.  Also, I like Avast!'s high configurability.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: sded on January 18, 2009, 03:29:19 PM
Both OA and Comodo firewall/HIPS are rated very highly whenever there is a comparison.  And run well with Avast!  I used CFP for about a year, but only on one computer because I found it to be demanding in terms of maintenance and reconfiguration.  But very configurable and capable after taking the time to learn and beta test it.  OA is much more usable, but perhaps not quite as configurable.  OA has some features that are very useful for mobile wireless users, such as the Firewall Status Display and its treatment of network interfaces and computers in the paid version, so it ended up primary on my mobile laptop as soon as it was available for Vista.  Some of the ongoing issues with Comodo were virtually impossible to get fixed (like logging, SPI, the "ASK" function, installation/removal issues, ...-see their forum for long threads), since they were/are working their own agenda leading up to the Suite activity.  Even implementing Bugzilla for prioritizing bug reports and the various bug forums got nowhere.  Tall Emu, OTOH, seems to make sure that user inputs are tracked and corrected as they go through the build process.  I even got a few changes incorporated, rather than having to put them on a wish list somewhere.  I think part of this is because OA is still working on building a great FW/HIPS and uses a conventional closed/open beta cycle to do incremental upgrades, rather than surprising the users with the "big bang" that is primarily features vs fixes and has variable testing beforehand.  So I switched my main computer to OA also, and have been beta testing the latest versions for them.  Along with Avast!  :)  But ultimately it is up to you, the features you value, and how you monitor and maintain your firewall/HIPS.
BTW, HIPS is now, but some of the behavioral programs show promise for more reliably keeping your computer clean in the future.  If you read the Wilders forums, especially http://www.wilderssecurity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=30, there is a lot of interesting stuff going on.  But will probably mature about the time the next generation of malware shows up.  ;)
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: Vladimyr on January 21, 2009, 02:59:45 PM
Found this review of CIS 3.5 from last year http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2333811,00.asp
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: patrice58 on January 22, 2009, 02:40:05 AM
https://forums.comodo.com/empty-t30128.0.html I posted it on comodo's forums and this is what they said................
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: Vladimyr on January 22, 2009, 03:42:57 AM
Wow! :o Why isn't there a 'speechless' smiley?

Let this be a lesson to us here lest we ever be tempted to stray onto the path of defensiveness.
Criticism of "The Product", "The Way" or "The Leader" (I'm not sure who that might be on the avast! forum) should be accepted.
Each of us can evaluate it and decide for ourselves how valid or not it may be.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: sded on January 22, 2009, 05:29:16 AM
I thought that the PC Magazine review was pretty even handed, discussing AV immaturity and even pointing out that the review of the Firewall/HIPS was very slightly less favorable because of the integration.  And Neil R. has done a lot of it.  I actually rated them slightly higher-  a little less favorable than the poll on the Comodo site, but not surprising.  They seem to rate a little over 4/5 there.  And the review was recognizing the current preliminary state of the AV, and trying to evaluate the current condition. 
Such a defensive response seems incomprehensible from a security company that holds your safety in their hands.  Really just fan postings, but repeats what the company says.  Certainly different than responses from other companies I deal with when there is an issue.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: patrice58 on January 24, 2009, 07:02:31 PM
I have now disabled CIS "realtime" scanning and I am now using Avast (yay me!) There is no icon in the bottom left hand corner for avast or the i ball tho I know it is running somewhere because I had to give permission for the web scanner to start and windows security centre is reporting avast as running as well.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: sded on January 24, 2009, 07:10:46 PM
You may need to make sure that ashdisp.exe is trusted by Comodo so that the Avast! GUI comes up.  Does anything show up as blocked in the D+ log?
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: patrice58 on January 24, 2009, 07:13:58 PM
Loads of stuff yeah
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: patrice58 on January 25, 2009, 04:06:09 AM
I uninstalled Avast but will the installation work if I was to set defence + and the firewall to safe mode?
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: patrice58 on February 16, 2009, 10:07:29 PM
After trying CIS the new version I am not impressed! The scanning speed is fast tho but everything else is well buggy check out http://forums.comodo.com/firewall_bugs/new_version_is_really_buggy-t34504.0.html
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: ronnycopeh on February 17, 2009, 12:58:34 AM
I am using CIS firewall only new version along with avast pro and I find that it runs real smooth with no bugs or slow downs.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: Mr.Agent on February 18, 2009, 09:18:12 PM
Avast is really good for a anti virus because i see its help a bit your firewall like for network

But there alot virus so yeah a heuristic or behavior or something for the detection can up its will help alot
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: Nez Man on February 18, 2009, 09:28:03 PM
Don't use any COMODO products to begin with.

It dropped my computers' performance even though I have a very powerful processor. How it did so is beyond me, but also once installed, some components are installed for good no matter what you do. Windows Vista and Revo Uninstaller could not fully get rid of several registry keys which remain on my machine thanks to COMODO. All three of its components (Antivirus, Defense+ and Firewall.) still appear in Windows Security Center despite me "apparently" uninstalling it.

I tested uninstalling Avast and, guess what? All Avast registry entries got removed, removed Avast from Windows Vista's Programs list, removed from Windows Security Center, etcetera. You get the point. When you uninstall Avast it does EXACTLY what it says on the tin - it uninstalls, leaving practically NO trace of Avast behind. COMODO however, well, it leaves a lot to be desired.

So I basically go back to what I said at the start of this post: Don't use any COMODO products to begin with!
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: sded on February 18, 2009, 09:42:25 PM
You can get advice on the Comodo forum on fixing some of the de-installation problems, but it can be hard to find because there have been a lot of issues.  For Vista keys, problem is that Comodo installs some of them under the System account, and you don't have enough privileges as an Admin to remove them.  You can search the forum under my ID for "God Mode Regedit" and probably find the instructions for setting up RegEdit32 to remove them successfully.  Or PM me your email address and I will email you the program to do it.  Be very careful, because it will literally remove anything.  For the Security Center, try http://vista.blorge.com/2008/01/09/how-to-fix-vistas-security-center-from-reporting-missing-or-duplicate-programs/ .  Haven't used the latest CIS versions with the new features, but these should still work.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: Mr.Agent on February 18, 2009, 10:23:51 PM
im glad to use Avast for now and i dont think i will leave it lol hehe :D
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: patrice58 on February 21, 2009, 06:15:33 PM
Check this out http://internetsecurity.comodo.com/updates/vdp/database.php I think it is quite a cool thing for comodo to do maybe avast can do the same?
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: Mr.Agent on February 21, 2009, 06:21:46 PM
patrice check this out

Product Malware  Adware/Spyware
G DATA 99.6% 99.3%
AntiVir 99.4% 99.2%
a-squared 99.3% 99.2%
Avast! 99.1% 98.9%
F-Secure 99.0% 98.3%
Kaspersky 98.8% 98.1%
Norton 98.6% 94.8%
BitDefender 98.4% 94.6%
Sophos 97.5% 93.1%
Norman 96.1% 93.3%
Nod32 95.9% 93.6%
AVG 95.7% 91.3%
Comodo 91.4% 90.0%
Dr.Web 89.6% 84.1%
ClamAV 85.4% 84.0%

link : http://malwareresearchgroup.com/?page_id=2

Avast is still better than CIS its approved by them
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: patrice58 on February 21, 2009, 06:27:59 PM
Did Comodo and Avast both get 30 points?
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: patrice58 on February 21, 2009, 06:29:18 PM
COMODO    30    System Rescued
Avast    30    System Rescued
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: patrice58 on February 21, 2009, 06:31:11 PM
Oh you are talking about the old test took me a while to figure it out.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: Mr.Agent on February 21, 2009, 06:32:06 PM
but for AV its definility avast is winning and comodo is not bad too its got a nice firewall
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: patrice58 on February 21, 2009, 06:36:06 PM
All their tests are for malware but to be honest one one really knows which one is better as without avast saying how many sigs they have, and even if they did there is still no way of really knowing as what one AV catches another does not.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: patrice58 on February 21, 2009, 06:37:48 PM
Lots of sigs a good AV does not make................Very Yoda even if I do say so myself!
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: sded on February 21, 2009, 06:56:46 PM
Closest thing that Avast! publishes as viruses are added is at http://www.avast.com/eng/vps_history.html .  With generic signatures and algorithmic analysis hard to do a real count.  But there is a section on viruses that is accessible from the main Avast! page for those who are interested in the main threats and those being added.  And a forum here on viruses and worms for keeping up with the status of the latest hot threats.  And you can always ask and get a straight answer.  :)
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: patrice58 on February 21, 2009, 08:21:09 PM
https://forums.comodo.com/comodo_boclean_antimalware/boclean_to_be_discontinued-t34653.0.html;msg249392;boardseen#new likewise the conodo memory firewall has now been discontinued for the same reason. If it was not such a joke I would be smiling. :-[
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: patrice58 on February 21, 2009, 08:24:29 PM
Check out this post on the same issue. https://forums.comodo.com/feedbackcommentsannouncementsnews_cis/say_what_you_think_comodo_to_keep_comodo_memory_firewall_and_boclean-t34824.0.html
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: mjnelson99 on February 23, 2009, 01:42:44 AM
Comodo trys to give you much more than you want in the latest updates as far as I can tell. I sent them an email saying if they don't keep CFP separate I will use another program.

Have been using Avast Home for about 2 years and am pretty satisfied with it. Have also heard not good stuff about Comodo's AV and want to stay away from it.
Mary
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: patrice58 on February 23, 2009, 03:18:20 AM
The AV (CIS) is full of FPs well maybe not full but it pulls up a file of mine as a virus and even when set to ignore, when you do another scan it still flags it up. My file is clean as I have checked it on VirusTotal and if you wanna laugh even Comodo (on VirusTotal) says it's clean it's the heuristics that Comodo has built in to their AV that is flagging it up.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: RejZoR on February 23, 2009, 09:49:19 AM
CIS doesn't have any heuristics yet. It only flags packers as malware.
If it's packed by Armadillo, it'll flag it as malware. If it's PEShield, it'll flag it. If it's MEW, it'll flag it, if it's Yoda Cryptor/Protector, it'll flag it.
Useless if you ask me but Comodo team disagree with me... oh well.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: Mr.Agent on February 23, 2009, 12:58:34 PM
I have listen alot bad thing like malware or virus on their program so i dont wanna make you cry but i think i will never touch a comodo product and im happy with Avast for like 2-4 years or more i use this product so i really enjoy his MP3 GUI and siren :D
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: Omid Farhang on February 23, 2009, 01:09:04 PM
comodo AV is junk, it has a lot of false positive and it miss a lot of well known virus to detect... I would not use it, never, comodo is not bad just as a free firewall...
For example it detect my Fingerprint software as a known Trojan and many infected keygens that I've downloaded from Internet as clean files.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: Lisandro on February 23, 2009, 01:44:21 PM
Yes, there is a lot of room for improvement on Comodo AV... but for false positives and lack of detection we can't say it's a junk... let's be fair. It's weak, but not a junk.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: Omid Farhang on February 23, 2009, 02:03:53 PM
...let's be fair. It's weak, but not a junk.
oh, ok! weak! weak and more weak!!  ;D
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: lingweiz on February 23, 2009, 02:51:17 PM
Oh don't worry about that I will be here watching and waiting for it.......... . (http://wwevid.cn)
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: Giraffe on February 23, 2009, 09:43:32 PM
Comodo trys to give you much more than you want in the latest updates as far as I can tell. I sent them an email saying if they don't keep CFP separate I will use another program.

Have been using Avast Home for about 2 years and am pretty satisfied with it. Have also heard not good stuff about Comodo's AV and want to stay away from it.
Mary

Agreed, so I installed CIS, including the AV, then just disabled the AV - simple.

Out of curiosity I ran CAVS and Avast! together for a couple of days: had no obvious conflict but got fed up of CAVS popping up with FPs, so turned it off again.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: Lisandro on February 23, 2009, 10:04:51 PM
Giraffe, disable is not enough, sooner or later you'll have trouble with two antivirus at the same time.
I suggest you uninstall the AV part of Comodo.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: Mr.Agent on February 23, 2009, 10:07:43 PM
i agree with you Tech
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: gery on February 23, 2009, 10:12:25 PM
Comodo AV is pretty new and unstable. It never found nothing but Avast found more then one virus and a one rootkit
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: Mr.Agent on February 23, 2009, 10:14:49 PM
i agree i had a rootkit-gen yesterday and its deleted it
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: patrice58 on February 23, 2009, 11:12:46 PM
Oh don't worry about that I will be here watching and waiting for it.......... . (http://wwevid.cn)
Yep that was my quote and what of it?
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: Giraffe on February 24, 2009, 02:26:51 PM
Giraffe, disable is not enough, sooner or later you'll have trouble with two antivirus at the same time.
I suggest you uninstall the AV part of Comodo.

Not that easy to get rid of 1 part of CIS; only removing CIS then re-installing without the AV would do that.
I haven't seen any sign of CAVS running whilst disabled.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: YoKenny on February 24, 2009, 05:10:52 PM
I put Comodo in the same league as Norton or McAfee.

They will never occupy one byte of data on my hard drives
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: Lisandro on February 24, 2009, 06:39:35 PM
I put Comodo in the same league as Norton or McAfee.
Well, it's a freeware. Nothing more distant than Norton and McAfee...
It could have problems, but it is not a brother of that ones, imho.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: normishmael on February 24, 2009, 09:24:51 PM
The recent Wilder's Firewall poll is of some interest.
As of now,Online Armor is ahead of Comodo.
This was reversed in the past.
It is clear that Online Armor has really grown,(latest Beta pretty well flawless,and the first to remove my slow reboot),so that maybe is the biggest thing.
At the same time i feel some of it has to do with the perception that Comodo
has largely blown off development on the firewall,and any other free standing application,in their stones to the walls push for CIS.
Pulling the Borg on their memory firewall,and BOClean has caused confusion in the outer court of the temple as well.
It seems the next act of "The Abdulhayoglu Medicine Show",will have one pampered
Principal dancer: The Diva Lady CIS..
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: casualgamer on February 24, 2009, 10:18:49 PM
Well to be fair avast has been around for a while and had more time to improve and whats not. The comodo antivirus is like the new kid on the block. Probally if it was around for the same amount of time they would be around the same level i dunno but kinda not fair to bash it until it has time to rectify itself. I use avast with their FW for the time being tho
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: patrice58 on February 26, 2009, 10:53:12 PM
Hi Guys,

We have just released 3.8.65951.477 which addresses a couple of critical issues reported by the users last week.

What's new in this release?
---------------------------
FIXED! Applications do not run when CIS is installed in Vista 64
FIXED! BSOD in Windows XP 64 when NWLink protocol is installed
FIXED! Defense+ conflicts with certain security applications
FIXED! Firewall does not filter traffic on some dialup/adsl adapters
FIXED! AV crashes while scanning certain files
FIXED! AV exclusions do not work

CIS automatic updater is going to download and install the updates for the existing users.

Important Note for Windows Vista Users Upgrading From Older Versions

The Windows Vista users, who have CIS version 3.5.57173.439 or older installed(32 and 64 bit), are going to have 2 updates because of the nature of this release.

* The first update is going to update some critical files that are necessary in order to continue with the second update.
* Then the second update is going to finalize the upgrading process to version 3.8.65951.477

That is from the Comodo site.

Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: normishmael on February 27, 2009, 12:11:52 AM
Well to be fair avast has been around for a while and had more time to improve and whats not. The comodo antivirus is like the new kid on the block. Probally if it was around for the same amount of time they would be around the same level i dunno but kinda not fair to bash it until it has time to rectify itself. I use avast with their FW for the time being tho


I thank there may be a difference between "bashing" and pointing out Hoakum when it rears its head.
I have no beef with CIS.
It is pretty hard to duke it out with a software.
I do have a problem with the way it is being hawked.
To bundle a hardcore classic HIPs with a firewall,and a third
string AV,throw in a motley crew of sundry esoterica,and call it
"useable security for the mass's" is snake oil.
If Messiah,I mean Melih,is a hero for offering this,than Microsoft has risen to the Albert Schweitzer level with their soon to be free anti-malware suite codenamed Morro.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: sded on February 27, 2009, 12:44:48 AM
Melihgalomania perhaps?  ;)  A glance at their site shows some tough and sometimes contentious discussions going on, although sometimes end up like http://forums.comodo.com/forum_policy_violation_board/bad_review_by_pcmagcom-t35628.0.html;msg253838#new .  The thread it came from included comments by fans who had obviously never read the referenced article and the dismissive responses seemed to infuriate the OP.  Several threads like that lately among their various users could have used more adult supervision to strike a conciliatory note with the concerned users.  Contrast the tone of their site to that here at Avast!, for example.  I had no problem deciding which AV I would rather deal with.  :)
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: patrice58 on February 27, 2009, 12:58:31 AM
Well you can't say they are not trying to improve as you can see here http://www.personalfirewall.comodo.com/release_notes.html they have never changed this much so fast since well ever I mean 3 updates in a month is madness. Their AV is still erm ropey to put it nicely.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: sded on February 27, 2009, 01:09:21 AM
I have always been amazed that they don't do closed beta testing or apparently much regression testing of these major upgrades.  Or have a formal bug tracking system-Bugzilla was tried and abandoned, and user request threads have apparently been ignored.  They do seem to be providing more developer interaction though, which is a good sign.  But it is their company, and they can certainly do business however they and their users can tolerate.  Don't really think they just give their developers a Visual C# manual and a multi-lingual dictionary and tell them to go code whatever the boss tells them, but don't have any knowledge beyond that.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: patrice58 on February 27, 2009, 01:21:53 AM
Well the only saving grace it has is..................................It's new so it needs time to impress or depress whatever happens first.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: sded on February 27, 2009, 01:36:43 AM
Good luck to them: they have a lot of users and a lot of chutzpah, as well as product and potential, and a long way to go.  But would never use their AV-I just don't trust them. 
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: RejZoR on February 27, 2009, 08:03:06 AM
Well you can't say they are not trying to improve as you can see here http://www.personalfirewall.comodo.com/release_notes.html they have never changed this much so fast since well ever I mean 3 updates in a month is madness. Their AV is still erm ropey to put it nicely.

Thats because their beta testing is crap. They haven't fixed anything i've reported. They even haven't fixed things that their staff assured it'll end up in new upate. They also don't update beta often during testing to verify if bugs are fixed. So i stopped participating in their beta test. Why should i bother when they obviously don't even care.

Here with avast!, ALWIL team fixed everything i've ever reported in matter of hours and released new beta almost right away to check if everything is ok with that fix. After all major problems are correctly solved, they release the actual public final version. Hell, once we even tested something with vlk on sunday!
Thats what i call serious and professional work.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: Lisandro on February 27, 2009, 07:37:19 PM
Comodo is a good team, try to do its best...
But I've gave up... too many hours spent trying to stabilize the computer.
Beta test, never more for them...
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: Hermite15 on March 01, 2009, 11:00:15 AM
Comodo is a good team, try to do its best...
But I've gave up... too many hours spent trying to stabilize the computer.
Beta test, never more for them...

sorry guys, just trying to find out what those last posts are about; beta testing is closed, 3.8 is out, I've used it for a few days now and it's perfectly stable, on my PC, and in Win7. It seems some people posting here use to be very active Comodo forums members...I haven't been around on the forum (Comodo) during that last beta testing phase, but I've been in the past, and quite frankly enjoyed it. Beta is beta, expect bugs etc...well you know the story, nothing unusual...But again, how could a supposedly so unstable beta that was available still a few weeks ago turn out to become such a stable release, and I'm using it on an OS that is not supported, NO PROBLEMS WHATSOEVER.

 I've been an Avast user for a while as well, I use both programs (not the AV component of CIS obviously): just the title of that thread doesn't make any sense: Avast vs CIS  ??? ??? ??? CIS does things that Avast doesn't and vice versa. FYI, I've been and still am a big supporter of Avast WebShield, and made it clear more than once @ Comodo, as well as I'll make clear here and now that CIS (again, not the AV part  ;D) is a bloody amazing Firewall/HIPS, and STABLE, for the release version.

 edit:I can understand some kind of (moderate) flaming between online armor users and CIS users, but not between Avast and Comodo  ;)
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: Giraffe on March 01, 2009, 11:56:32 AM
I updated to the latest version of CIS (I don't run the AV - prefer Avast!) and there was only 1 problem: I exported my configurations and, from Comodo's forums, had learned that it's best to import the Configs. via 'Import as' and don't import the one for which the profile is currently active and what did CIS do? - damned well updated and kept all my Configs!
Since then it's been running with no problems at all - killjoys!
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: patrice58 on March 01, 2009, 07:50:53 PM
Comodo is a good team, try to do its best...
But I've gave up... too many hours spent trying to stabilize the computer.
Beta test, never more for them...

sorry guys, just trying to find out what those last posts are about; beta testing is closed, 3.8 is out, I've used it for a few days now and it's perfectly stable, on my PC, and in Win7. It seems some people posting here use to be very active Comodo forums members...I haven't been around on the forum (Comodo) during that last beta testing phase, but I've been in the past, and quite frankly enjoyed it. Beta is beta, expect bugs etc...well you know the story, nothing unusual...But again, how could a supposedly so unstable beta that was available still a few weeks ago turn out to become such a stable release, and I'm using it on an OS that is not supported, NO PROBLEMS WHATSOEVER.

 I've been an Avast user for a while as well, I use both programs (not the AV component of CIS obviously): just the title of that thread doesn't make any sense: Avast vs CIS  ??? ??? ??? CIS does things that Avast doesn't and vice versa. FYI, I've been and still am a big supporter of Avast WebShield, and made it clear more than once @ Comodo, as well as I'll make clear here and now that CIS (again, not the AV part  ;D) is a bloody amazing Firewall/HIPS, and STABLE, for the release version.

 edit:I can understand some kind of (moderate) flaming between online armor users and CIS users, but not between Avast and Comodo  ;)
It makes perfect sense even if I do say so myself CIS has a anti virus component and Avast is a AV. So I or we are talking about both AVs and how they differ and how they are the same. If you don't have the AV part of CIS then what you really have is the Comodo firwall not CIS really.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: Lisandro on March 01, 2009, 07:57:01 PM
I can understand some kind of (moderate) flaming between online armor users and CIS users, but not between Avast and Comodo  ;)
The problem is that Comodo, from time to time, brings trouble with avast, with Windows Updates, with connection...
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: Hermite15 on March 01, 2009, 07:58:17 PM
Comodo is a good team, try to do its best...
But I've gave up... too many hours spent trying to stabilize the computer.
Beta test, never more for them...

sorry guys, just trying to find out what those last posts are about; beta testing is closed, 3.8 is out, I've used it for a few days now and it's perfectly stable, on my PC, and in Win7. It seems some people posting here use to be very active Comodo forums members...I haven't been around on the forum (Comodo) during that last beta testing phase, but I've been in the past, and quite frankly enjoyed it. Beta is beta, expect bugs etc...well you know the story, nothing unusual...But again, how could a supposedly so unstable beta that was available still a few weeks ago turn out to become such a stable release, and I'm using it on an OS that is not supported, NO PROBLEMS WHATSOEVER.

 I've been an Avast user for a while as well, I use both programs (not the AV component of CIS obviously): just the title of that thread doesn't make any sense: Avast vs CIS  ??? ??? ??? CIS does things that Avast doesn't and vice versa. FYI, I've been and still am a big supporter of Avast WebShield, and made it clear more than once @ Comodo, as well as I'll make clear here and now that CIS (again, not the AV part  ;D) is a bloody amazing Firewall/HIPS, and STABLE, for the release version.

 edit:I can understand some kind of (moderate) flaming between online armor users and CIS users, but not between Avast and Comodo  ;)
It makes perfect sense if I do say say myself CIS has a anti virus component and Avast is a AV. So I or we are talking about both AV and how they differ and how they are the same. If you don't have the AV part of CIS then what you really have is the comodo firwall not CIS really.

You must be kidding, forgot the HIPS (aka Def+)...the AV component was added lately. It's extremely minor in the suite, and Comodo always acknowledged their AV couldn't match stuff like AVG etc...for now (and I don't believe it ever will honestly). If you want to compare CIS to anything, compare it to Online Armor for instance, but not to an Antivirus for Christ's sake, it doesn't make any blody sense.For me Comodo AV solutions are not really existent and don't deserve a topic  ;)
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: patrice58 on March 01, 2009, 07:59:12 PM
Really that is news to me! Thanks for letting me know, I wonder what causes this?
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: Hermite15 on March 01, 2009, 08:02:05 PM
The problem is that Comodo, from time to time, brings trouble with avast, with Windows Updates, with connection...

I've had this during beta testing phases f CFP2 and 3, could solve WinUpdate issues by myself (settings for a couple of *.exe). As to Avast, I never had any conflict between the two.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: Lisandro on March 01, 2009, 08:05:22 PM
As to Avast, I never had any conflict between the two.
But it conflict with WebShield of avast more than once...
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: patrice58 on March 01, 2009, 08:06:27 PM
So what you are saying is don't compare it to other AV's because it is not a AV. Well who says it is not a AV? *Checks CIS.* Yep it sure looks and scans like a AV to me and has heuristics like most other AV's so after all that what should it be called then?
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: Hermite15 on March 01, 2009, 08:07:13 PM
As to Avast, I never had any conflict between the two.
But it conflict with WebShield of avast more than once...

well not on my PCs...
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: Hermite15 on March 01, 2009, 08:08:13 PM
I was not talking about Defence + so you telling me not to talk about it is a bit weird to say the least anyway so what you are saying is don't compare it to other AV's because it is not a AV. Well who says it is not a AV? *Checks CIS.* Yep it sure looks and scans like a AV to me and has heuristics like most other AV's so after all that what should it be called then?

never mind  ;D
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: patrice58 on March 01, 2009, 08:09:44 PM
Nor on my PC when I had Comodo 2.4 and early 3.1 while using Avast.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: patrice58 on March 01, 2009, 08:13:32 PM
I was not talking about Defence + so you telling me not to talk about it is a bit weird to say the least anyway so what you are saying is don't compare it to other AV's because it is not a AV. Well who says it is not a AV? *Checks CIS.* Yep it sure looks and scans like a AV to me and has heuristics like most other AV's so after all that what should it be called then?

never mind  ;D
Hmmmmm ok. B.T.W. I am not a Comodo fanboy but for you to say it's not a AV is well................ Different. You are right in one thing the AV is so poor (and full of FP's) that it is almost useless.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: sded on March 01, 2009, 08:16:43 PM
Current CIS fancies itself a major Suite with an AV, spends most of its effort there, and CEO says it will be one of the best by October.  The OP questions and most of the subsequent posts have been about the AVs-an area where the use of Avast! vs Comodo gets a lot of attention.  Probably the title should say that?  Current CAVS has lots of False Positives, unknown detection, other issues.  Posts on Comodo site ask things like "how can Avast! be any good when CAVS found 11 Trojans that Avast! missed?"-many must not read the FP threads.   Beta testing comments have to do with the current release being the third final release with no RC, no beta testing between the three final releases.  Mostly CIS AV related.  And most comments were not incorporated yet anyway.  Comments there say things like "this might finally be up to an RC".  Firewall/HIPS broke some things in the upgrades, but primarily for x64 upgrade users, and should remain a pretty stable product-rated ~ 4/5 by the Comodo users, PC Magazine, others.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: Hermite15 on March 01, 2009, 08:40:01 PM
Current CIS fancies itself a major Suite with an AV, spends most of its effort there, and CEO says it will be one of the best by October.  The OP questions and most of the subsequent posts have been about the AVs-an area where the use of Avast! vs Comodo gets a lot of attention.  Probably the title should say that?  Current CAVS has lots of False Positives, unknown detection, other issues.  Posts on Comodo site ask things like "how can Avast! be any good when CAVS found 11 Trojans that Avast! missed?"-many must not read the FP threads.   Beta testing comments have to do with the current release being the third final release with no RC, no beta testing between the three final releases.  Mostly CIS AV related.  And most comments were not incorporated yet anyway.  Comments there say things like "this might finally be up to an RC".  Firewall/HIPS broke some things in the upgrades, but primarily for x64 users, and should remain a pretty stable product-rated ~ 4/5 by the Comodo users, PC Magazine, others.

I've been away from Comodo forums for a while, posting there again only recently. So I haven't heard yet of these considerations they have now about their AV. I already conflicted once with Melih about that stupid AV lite scan after setup of CFP 3.1, bloody useless ridiculous. As to current CAVS false positives, I'm not surprised. Previous betas (beta phase took bloody ages there  ;D) were so unstable and featureless...OK, to make it simple I've never been waiting for CAV, and it's integration in CIS (so formerly CFP with "just" Firewall/HIPS) never interested me, I didn't even bother to ever install the AV part of CIS; it's only recently I temporarily deactivated Avast, added Comodo AV to CIS, rebooted, took a very quick look, got rid of it as fast as I could and reactivated Avast  ;D. BTW I'm on Win7/64, so I didn't upgrade from a former version, and np whatsoever so far. I've in fact distanced myself from Comodo and their forum when they started the "theatcast" BS and other things I didn't find OK, but I still like "some" of their products.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: Hermite15 on March 01, 2009, 08:46:45 PM
Nor on my PC when I had Comodo 2.4 and early 3.1 while using Avast.

to make things clear, you've not tried to run Avast and CAV (from CIS) at the same time right?
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: patrice58 on March 01, 2009, 10:07:54 PM
Nah as the early 3s in the firewall line had no AV (I had a XP computer and that was what I was running it on) I guess you could disable CIS "real time" scanner and use avast, I know of (well not personally) a few Comodo forum members that have done just that without problems.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: patrice58 on March 01, 2009, 10:09:50 PM
^ I would of done the same thing myself but the firewall was blocking something in avast which meant I had no blue ball the i or a ball so no nice spinning a ball.  :'(
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: patrice58 on March 01, 2009, 10:14:03 PM
The OP questions and most of the subsequent posts have been about the AVs-an area where the use of Avast! vs Comodo gets a lot of attention.  Probably the title should say that?

That would be a long title: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security) Just the AV part!

 :D
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: patrice58 on March 01, 2009, 10:17:30 PM
Version 3.0.25.378 : 30th May, 2008 every build after that had the AV integrated in the firewall.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: Giraffe on March 01, 2009, 11:05:53 PM
The only 'problem' that I've had with Comodo and Avast was just letting Avast have the necessary permissions to operate - but then, I've had problems with Avast stopping a couple of things from loading and took some time to find out how to do the exclusions.

I even ran CAV and Avast both real time for a while, just out of curiosity  :o , and had no trouble apart from the FPs from CAV.

AVs take a long time to get up to speed and, apart from CAV needing about a year to do that, I like Avast's approach and will stay with it, whilst appreciating Comodo's FW and D+.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: Lisandro on March 02, 2009, 12:08:23 AM
Giraffe, CAV will detect nothing that avast is not prepared to... you'll have conflict sooner or later, and problems.
The antivirus part of Comodo is, basically, very weak.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: normishmael on March 02, 2009, 12:26:01 AM
While I try not judge others by my own limitations,it seems that
dramatic improvement of the anti-virus portion of CIS is the only
thing that will really improve "usability" for the average user.
As long as the heart of the operation is a classic HIPS,it is going to
be a techie tool.
Yes anyone can "USE" CIS.
I have a single action Ruger Super Blackhawk .44 mag.
I can "USE" it.
I can load,aim it,fire it.
That does not mean I am not better off with my Browning Hi-Power 9mm
for defence.
CIS may be a powerfull tool,but for now it is a specialists tool.
(It will remain so as long as HIPS is the heart.)
The queston with CIS is not can it protect your machine,it can't
anymore than Hi-Jack This can.
The queston is can you? or can I?
Because it comes down to pop ups.
Yes,there are detection pop-ups with Avast,but they are clear.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: YoKenny on March 02, 2009, 01:35:38 PM
normishmael, it figures that this would devolve into a Right to bear arms discussion.

I think I will set my signature to:

I support the right to arm bears.

Nothing can persuade me to install anything from Comodo.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: Giraffe on March 02, 2009, 06:53:22 PM
Giraffe, CAV will detect nothing that avast is not prepared to... you'll have conflict sooner or later, and problems.
The antivirus part of Comodo is, basically, very weak.

I realise that, Tech, but just wanted to try it out of morbid curiosity.

I also know that CAV is weak, which is why, even in Comodo's forums, I say that I prefer Avast and will stay with it for at least a year. If Avast 5 is as good as some of the rumours here suggest that it will be, then I'll use Avast permanently.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: normishmael on March 02, 2009, 07:28:50 PM
normishmael, it figures that this would devolve into a Right to bear arms discussion.

Well,Yo Kenny, my repertoire of conversation is pretty limited.Its guns or,Shemp-vs-Curly,or  Atkinson-vs-Cleese.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: YoKenny on March 02, 2009, 08:14:59 PM
Quote
Well,Yo Kenny, my repertoire of conversation is pretty limited.Its guns or,Shemp-vs-Curly,or  Atkinson-vs-Cleese.

I'll take those over redneck, gun-totin hillbillys any day.
http://www.jefffoxworthy.com/comedy/jod/index.shtml
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: normishmael on March 02, 2009, 09:13:56 PM
Quote
Well,Yo Kenny, my repertoire of conversation is pretty limited.Its guns or,Shemp-vs-Curly,or  Atkinson-vs-Cleese.

I'll take those over redneck, gun-totin hillbillys any day.
http://www.jefffoxworthy.com/comedy/jod/index.shtml

Now,now, my Friend from the land of backbacon,and weak beer,home of Céline Dion and Ithaqua,
"Redneck" is just Eliteist-Speak for "workingman".
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: gun on March 03, 2009, 09:09:57 PM
I read all comments about CIS and it is difficult to compare it to Avast. Avast is a mature product and CIS is very young, sill improveing. One I can not agree, CIS inst't weak! Anyone who says that is mistaken or blind. CIS has still some bugs, there are problems with false positives in heuristics and  database have to be increased but in the future it can be very powerful antivirus with advanced heuristics and proactive defence.. for free. I'm looking forward to see Avast 5 and CAVS 4, I think they can be one of the best.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: Mr.Agent on March 03, 2009, 09:46:29 PM
when avast 5 will be out its will still own so hard comodo and other anti virus lol
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: polonus on March 03, 2009, 09:54:49 PM
Hi gun,

That is why I have combined avast with Comodo BoClean 4.27. You can get it here:
http://www.comodo.com/boclean/boclean.html
Works like a charm together, together with RUBotted,

polonus
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: bluestring on March 04, 2009, 01:20:12 AM
Hi gun,

That is why I have combined avast with Comodo BoClean 4.27. You can get it here:
http://www.comodo.com/boclean/boclean.html
Works like a charm together, together with RUBotted,

polonus
Too bad it would be discontinued and be included with the CIS suite.

http://forums.comodo.com/comodo_boclean_antimalware/boclean_to_be_discontinued-t34653.0.html
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: polonus on March 04, 2009, 01:35:49 AM
Hi bluestring,

If that is going to materialize, and it appears so from what you are reporting, what alternative to combine with avast do we have here? I have SAS and MBAM as non-residential scanners, but I will find Comodo BoClean hard to replace. Do you have a suggestion? The proggie had quite some detection-array for trojans...it did not detect much because I am SafeHex, but anyways will miss it running silently in the background,

pol
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: DavidR on March 04, 2009, 01:49:27 AM
Well avast 5 would be good :P
It is meant to be getting its own behavioural module.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: normishmael on March 04, 2009, 02:46:31 AM
I read all comments about CIS and it is difficult to compare it to Avast. Avast is a mature product and CIS is very young, sill improveing. One I can not agree, CIS inst't weak! Anyone who says that is mistaken or blind. CIS has still some bugs, there are problems with false positives in heuristics and  database have to be increased but in the future it can be very powerful antivirus with advanced heuristics and proactive defence.. for free. I'm looking forward to see Avast 5 and CAVS 4, I think they can be one of the best.


Will it be free? Or is everyone being used as extended beta testers,prior to going shareware?
Considering  statements from Abdulhayoglu,
that BOClean would be available for stand-alone,even after its incorporation into CIS, I am not sure how much store can be put in the "free forever" rhetoric from the same guy.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: gun on March 04, 2009, 12:25:28 PM
I read all comments about CIS and it is difficult to compare it to Avast. Avast is a mature product and CIS is very young, sill improveing. One I can not agree, CIS inst't weak! Anyone who says that is mistaken or blind. CIS has still some bugs, there are problems with false positives in heuristics and  database have to be increased but in the future it can be very powerful antivirus with advanced heuristics and proactive defence.. for free. I'm looking forward to see Avast 5 and CAVS 4, I think they can be one of the best.


Will it be free? Or is everyone being used as extended beta testers,prior to going shareware?
Considering  statements from Abdulhayoglu,
that BOClean would be available for stand-alone,even after its incorporation into CIS, I am not sure how much store can be put in the "free forever" rhetoric from the same guy.
Well, changing plans about software and changing licence are different matters. I think Comodo choose freeware path knowingly and if they break their own words it will be suicide for company, and that's why it is not going to happen.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: slangen on March 06, 2009, 04:40:41 PM
I use CIS on on machine and avast with SRP (software restriction policy) on another. Avast cannot (in its present state) guard against 0-day stuff while CIS D+ can. On the other hand Comodo's anti-virus is to Avast a fist is to a gun.

But, CIS is improving like mad.. When BoClean added it'll be really good. CIS's D+ is a monster.

I think Avast should take it up a notch by introducing a Behavioural Blocker or Protection Guard for c:\windows* and/or startup registry keys (i put this in the wishlist too). This would make Avast directly comparable and competable. But as it stands CIS is awesome/the best, if a user knows what he's doing, whilst avast is awesome/the best, if they dont. I make my sis and girlfriends use avast... whilst i use cis myself.   ;D

Firewall.. etc. shouldnt be a priority IMO. thats just gimmicks.XP/Vista firewall is good enough and besides whatever firewall you make it'll leak in some form or another. why get bad publicity.

Get the Anti-Virus with Protection for 'Core' files/registry and you're through to the top.....



ps.damm i wish i owned a security company. id try to get it done myself. ....  ;)

ps.regardinng Comodo's revenue stream. it comes from certificate signing etc. if i remember correctly Thwate was sold to versign for $565million. .. so even if they're 1/100 ... i wouldnt' worry about comodo.... also see some vids of melih on youtube. that son of a gun is a sharp dresser (yeah yeah i know it dosnet mean anything... .. but still.. )  ::)
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: DavidR on March 06, 2009, 05:31:37 PM
Then your hopes for avast to have a behavioural module will be realised in avast version 5.

However, avast 4.8 also uses algorithmic and generic signatures so it isn't entirely correct that it can't protect against 0 day attacks, but it can certainly use some improvement in that area. It also uses heuristics in the anti-rootkit scan.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: slangen on March 06, 2009, 07:49:18 PM
Thanks. i am eagerly looking forward to avast 5...  8)
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: RejZoR on March 06, 2009, 07:58:47 PM
Defense+ is terribly overrated, requires experienced user behind it and it plain simply failed to prevent Virut infection. Not to mention it's annoying and badly designed.
While avast! detected each and every Vitro sample withouth all the crap around it. So much for avast! cannot prevent 0-day stuff because it lacks heuristics checkbox...
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: Omid Farhang on March 06, 2009, 08:45:44 PM
Defense+ is terribly overrated, requires experienced user behind it and it plain simply failed to prevent Virut infection. Not to mention it's annoying and badly designed.
While avast! detected each and every Vitro sample withouth all the crap around it. So much for avast! cannot prevent 0-day stuff because it lacks heuristics checkbox...
you are right, agreed. personally I don't like it to answer 100-200 question of defend plus because maybe (just Maybe!) one of them be related to a malware... it need to completely new design and a preset database :)
a lot of know behavior like Threatfire, it's why I've choose Outpost Firewall Pro 2009, it has a Host protection and a lot of preset for almost any application :)
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: gun on March 06, 2009, 09:12:20 PM
Defense+ is terribly overrated
I can not agree 100%,  but of course D+ isn't perfect and needs a lot of improvement. I can say that in ver 3.8 D+ works much better than in previous versions of CIS, I had maybe 1 or 2 alerts, nothing more! I wish ver 3.9 D+ to be quiet as a mouse :-X. But if someone thinks that D+ is piece of c.. can simply deactivate it.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: RejZoR on March 07, 2009, 12:20:14 AM
Well, Melih and bunch of die hard followers (sorry but there always has to be a limit to something, i've come to that conclusion even here on avast! forums) advertise Defense+ as best thing after sliced bread. But after thorough testing i found out it's nothing special, it's buggy and hard to operate.
If i were them, i'd strip Defense+ out of CIS all together when they implement CIMA heuristics. If they'll be as good as those online, they don't need this broken Defense+...
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: patrice58 on March 07, 2009, 01:14:32 AM
http://internetsecurity.comodo.com/updates/vdp/database.php If you check there you will now see Comodo has more signatures then the mighty Kaspersky which in my book is pretty good but then again (re)read my post at number 120.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: patrice58 on March 07, 2009, 01:20:23 AM
Another good thing that Comodo has is Comodo Instant Malware Analysis @ http://camas.comodo.com/cgi-bin/submit try it, it is really quite a nice piece of software.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: DavidR on March 07, 2009, 01:32:03 AM
Numbers, are just that, numbers if it meant anything more than that, then surely the comodo anti-virus would have got a higher result than Kaspersky in various AV tests and that clearly isn't the case.

I dare say it might well have more signatures than avast, but it means very little are there is no standardisation in counting (variants, etc.) or what count you should give to a) generic, b) algorithmic or heuristic signatures/scanning, answer you can't.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: patrice58 on March 07, 2009, 01:50:01 AM
Did you read my post @ 120 you have said the same thing I have said (We agree on that point.) As for the "then surely the comodo anti-virus would have got a higher result than Kaspersky in various AV tests."  It (Comodo) has not been tested by AV labs or west cost labs or av-comparatives or any of the major A.V testing sites yet............... As it is too new.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: DavidR on March 07, 2009, 02:56:28 AM
Then I simply can't see why you bothered to even mention the signature count.

The reason why it doesn't appear in at least 1 of the tests av-comparatives is that it doesn't come up to a reasonable level.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: patrice58 on March 07, 2009, 03:07:57 AM
I mentioned it because it has more then Kaspersky in post 195 I mean a little reading and you would not need to ask I mean come on now! As for the level it is at that may be true as well as the fact it is new.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: patrice58 on March 07, 2009, 03:14:09 AM
Then I simply can't see why you bothered to even mention the signature count.

The reason why it doesn't appear in at least 1 of the tests av-comparatives is that it doesn't come up to a reasonable level.
If it does not matter then why say this? I dare say it might well have more signatures than avast, but it means very little are there is no standardisation in counting (variants, etc.) or what count you should give to a) generic, b) algorithmic or heuristic signatures/scanning, answer you can't.

Surly if it does not matter you would not need to say anything about the standardisation as it does not matter. So does it matter or does it not?
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: patrice58 on March 07, 2009, 03:22:29 AM
It all depends on how the AV company set up their signatures as some have 2 sigs that catch 2 pieces of malware or some have it set up as 2 sigs that catch 400 malware, so that is what I mean by lots of sigs a good AV does not make as they could have it set up as the former and not the latter.   
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: RejZoR on March 07, 2009, 10:04:16 AM
Excellent example is Win32:Vitro and older Win32:Virtob detection. A single detection in avast! that covers all the latest virut viruses. From what i've seen, they're adding separate detections for it in CIS. In such cases you can quickly reach sky high numbers while you may not even be better than competition thats using just 2 detections for exactly the same thing.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: Lisandro on March 07, 2009, 01:39:02 PM
This was discussed a lot in the past...

1. There are a marketing issue involved. Companies estimate the number of viruses by high.
2. There are different counts possible: variants, etc.
3. There is not an international rule for virus naming, so same virus could be consider one or more by other company.
4. Scanning settings are very important.
5. Active viruses (ITW) are really more important then the whole number.
6. Generic signatures and heuristic detections cannot be really counted as 'virus detection'.

Well, etc. etc.
Trust avast!
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: normishmael on March 08, 2009, 11:15:01 PM
patrice58,I really have to hand it you.
You have stretched out a fourteen page thread,
(nineteen if you count the Comodo thread)
throwing in a new tidbit here and there,
playing Devil's advocate on occasion,
And I still have no idea where you stand.
are you "Crouching Avast!, Hidden Comodo"?
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: patrice58 on March 10, 2009, 12:24:51 AM
patrice58,I really have to hand it you.
You have stretched out a fourteen page thread,
(nineteen if you count the Comodo thread)
throwing in a new tidbit here and there,
playing Devil's advocate on occasion,
And I still have no idea where you stand.
are you "Crouching Avast!, Hidden Comodo"?
All you have you do is read my post again and you will see where I stand. Check my sig as well and see what programs I am running. I would suggest you read posts number 9, 70, 80, 103, 106,148, and post 169 will explain why I do not have Avast in my signature. Where do I stand? As I have said in the forum which I am sure you have read. In my very first post I said I am using C.I.S and since I have not said I have stopped using it, I think you can take it as fact that I am still using it. As for Avast if it was working properly on my system (Most likely that the firewall is to blame but that's a another forum topic on another day.) then I would of used that without a second thought. As I have said elsewhere in this thread I am waiting for Avast 5 and I will install it and see how it goes. So to answer your question where do I stand, well I would like to think I stand on my own two feet!
As for are you "Crouching Avast!, Hidden Comodo"? I am not really sure, but that sure made me smile.  :D
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: patrice58 on March 10, 2009, 12:38:21 AM
Excellent example is Win32:Vitro and older Win32:Virtob detection. A single detection in avast! that covers all the latest virut viruses. From what i've seen, they're adding separate detections for it in CIS. In such cases you can quickly reach sky high numbers while you may not even be better than competition thats using just 2 detections for exactly the same thing.
Here is your answer right from the err horses mouth.

FYI: We use both Family Signatures as well as single signatures.
Family signatures catch a family (eg: one signature will catch more than one malware and its variance) where as the single signature will catch a single file.

around 256 thousand of our signatures are Family signatures (eg: catch more than one file as long as its a variant). The rest are single file ones.

We concentrate on increasing both as they are equally important in protecting the end user one for speed and the other for depth.

But..guys.. we are the new kid on the block... just give us some time.. we only started having some fun Wink

Btw: we also know how many of the malware we have in our database the other AVs detect (or don't detect).... you would be surprised Wink (I wasn't!)

Melih
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: patrice58 on March 10, 2009, 12:42:54 AM
Here's another one............. last month...
we put 1415573 files through our systems (not all malware)

Caught by CAV only  98838 (this is only caught by CAV and no other AV at that time)
 
Caught by competitors only  1437 (this many is not caught by CAV but with some of the competitors)
 
Analysed by CAMAS 179639
 
Verdicted by CAMAS as suspicious 25962
 
Verdicted by CAMAS as highly suspicious 32825 (these are added as signature to CAV as well straightaway on top of Caught by CAV only number. These from CAMAS is not detected by other AVs either so you can add this number to the Caught by CAV only number above.)
 
As always no single AV can cover 100% of the malware, including CAV Smiley. But the percentage of what CAV detects compared to what other AVs detect is increasing.

Our next target is to do updates every 30 min. Now, i don't want people to misunderstand this.... its not about simply changing our frequency to 30 min from 1 day... no no no... this is about time it takes from a suspicious file being submitted to us to our sig generation in 30 min. So you give us a file to analyse, within 30 min your AV should have the updated signature base to detect it.. that's our goal.

Melih
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: Mr.Agent on March 10, 2009, 12:59:36 AM
Well we are all human i think ALWIL do a great job and my self i would buy Avast Pro if i got the money but i didnt so well its already a big cake for ALWIL that giving us Avast Home a nice anti virus. But well each anti virus and firewall got his best thing and low thing. Where ever you surf you cant be sure. So Avast scan where you go so that why its nice so if he caught a suspect in your pc or anywhere he will tell you :D
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: sded on March 10, 2009, 02:37:00 AM
Must just come here for some adult company and to get away from the fanboys.  ;)  Don't understand the numbers, though, with all of the FPs reported.  And with their own files against their own database why don't they score 100%?  But they are making progress, and say that someday all will be revealed in the standard tests.  In the meantime, pay careful attention to your HIPS.  :)  In reality, most people rarely see malware in the wild.  And if the FPs are recoverable, not a big deal.  But based on comparing their Forum head count to their claimed installed base, there must be a lot of confused ex-users out there already.  So be cautious of the results, verify independently with sites like Virus Total, run Behavior/Removal programs like SAS and MBAM regularly.  And, BTW,  repeating Melihgalomania here is not really useful to anyone. ;)
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: patrice58 on March 10, 2009, 02:44:03 AM
Well I am showing 1st how the suite will improve or 2nd the crap he comes out with or 3rd both!
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: Vladimyr on March 10, 2009, 04:07:29 AM
And, BTW,  repeating Melihgalomania here is really not useful to anyone. 
Apart from possible entertainment value  ;)



Here is your answer right from the err horses mouth.

But..guys.. we are the new kid on the block... just give us some time.. we only started having some fun Wink

Melih

Meanwhile at a boat accessories manufactuer:

But..guys..  your boat was sinking and you discovered that our bailing bucket's got a few holes in it..  we are the new kid on the block... just give us some time.. we only started having some fun

Safety fence supplier:

So you put our fence around your pool to make it safe for your kids.. you still have some left.. just give us some time..
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: Mr.Agent on March 10, 2009, 12:03:19 PM
My self i see alot guy that test avast his self and publish on the TV and they say This is a great Software the only guy i see that say its suck they really didnt know nothing about cpu and i swear for all guy that think it is then its NOT suck ! Avast is still the best !
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: deleon78 on March 26, 2009, 05:28:39 PM
after testing numerous times..my results..and I am no noob to all this.

Avast:
slows enitre operating system (using xp) starup speed is reduced by over 50%
protects well against viruses..but scans are slow..and sumtimes freeze.
it looks and sounds like crap.alert alert like your pc will explode...NOT neccasery
scan with heur level at the highest and your pc locks up.left for 9 hours...still neva completed jus froze

Comodo:
are the way to future  pc protection
does not mess with pc speeds in any way
protects against viruses as well as avast(comodo latest version..and i dnt giv a ***k about statistics this is from user exp.)scans are also quite slow.
it looks and feels professional..
heur are hyper sensitive if required.and never lock up your system.

I would go with comodo 100% of the way..they offer complete computer protection and maintenece utilities at an UNBEATABLE level for FREE
also the comodo firewall is one the most powerful availible for consumers.to be honest i cant think of any other that stands up to it.

its only a debate...
;-)






Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: deleon78 on March 26, 2009, 05:30:34 PM
avast is for amatuers/and kids  :P
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: RejZoR on March 26, 2009, 05:44:09 PM
Thats a rather bold statement. Until i see some half decent results of Comodo on AV-Comparatives, all i have is word from Melih and bunch of fanboys from their forums. And most of them are really hardcore fanboys...
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: Lisandro on March 26, 2009, 08:43:24 PM
Avast:
slows enitre operating system (using xp) starup speed is reduced by over 50%
Well, what are you using as firewall...? Comodo could have a bad interaction with avast.

protects well against viruses..but scans are slow..and sumtimes freeze.
No. Scan speed has getting better (still room for improvement) and does not freeze in normal operation, at least, most users.

it looks and sounds like crap.alert alert like your pc will explode...NOT neccasery
Configure it. avast is one of the most configurable antivirus round.

scan with heur level at the highest and your pc locks up.left for 9 hours...still neva completed jus froze
Depends on your system, RAM, CPU, archive files, etc. etc.

Comodo:
are the way to future  pc protection
On contrary, it messed my Vista installation. It was a good firewall, but started to be bloated and somehow buggy with Defense+.

protects against viruses
A kind of joke from you... see any comparison test...

Sorry, nobody likes Comodo fan boys... I used Comodo, but I'm not a fan boy of avast or Comodo.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: normishmael on March 26, 2009, 09:22:45 PM
deleon 78 said:
(comodo latest version..and i dnt giv a ***k about statistics this is from user exp.)

Of course not!! Comodo is faith based security!
You really do not thank clicking 30 or 40 pop-up's per hour that are about as clear as an old Simon and Garfunkel song,does not slow down the use of your machine?

If Avast is for kids,Comodo is for acolytes and "experts".
The only effective parts of the suite are the firewall and defence+
Defence+ requires you be "HIPS Foo Master" or really masochistic,and Online
Armour is at least as effective,and much more user friendly.

As for CAV,well even the Inter Sanctum Faithfull admit it is(to be charitable)
weak.

If you like Comodo,that is fine,but really I would avoid comparisons.
You come out on the bottom every time.

Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: Vladimyr on March 27, 2009, 02:47:39 AM
Thank you Deleon78 for providing a glimpse of 'Planet Comodo'.

You should not be surprised if satisfied users of avast!, AVG, Avira, Dr Web, Kaspersky, McAfee, NOD, Norton, PC Tools, etc, on this planet, have experienced Comodo products in ways which are at variance with the utopia you describe.

Just a reminder that a "debate" usually presupposes substantial and reasonable arguments.
"Comodo are the way to future PC protection", "does not mess with pc speeds in any way" and the the sage-like pronouncement that "avast is for amatuers/and(sic) kids" do indeed remind me of my school days (which of course, being an avast! user, was only yesterday ;D), but of the playground, rather than the debating room.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: savarona on March 27, 2009, 03:18:40 PM
avast is for amatuers/and kids  :P

 >:( BE RESPECT!!! and Shhh and look at the picture only.
(source: http://www.av-comparatives.org/comparativesreviews/main-tests (http://www.av-comparatives.org/comparativesreviews/main-tests))

Ps: I m not software fanatic as you. I have been used avast for 4 years. and no problem still. Thnx Alwil Team.

(http://i40.tinypic.com/qnmj5h.png)
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: Lisandro on March 27, 2009, 03:55:52 PM
You won't see deleon78 logged here anymore, I can bet it... they come, throw words, never come back...
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: sded on March 27, 2009, 04:35:30 PM
Must be the trolling season-or just children at play.  ;)
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: YoKenny on March 27, 2009, 06:15:54 PM
Must be the trolling season-or just children at play.  ;)

He's probably just lonely:
http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/lonelyguy.htm
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: ronnycopeh on March 27, 2009, 06:43:09 PM
I think everyone is welcome to their opinion, I am now using comodo both av and firewall and okay with it, no problems but I had avast for a few years with only minors but I won't trash it and before I found avast, nod32 was my choice. My internet provider offers mcafee suite for it user free but I chose not to use it, I don't feel that it was right for anyone to come another forum and blast that product.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: sded on March 27, 2009, 11:10:52 PM
If you want to join the troll fun, go over to the Comodo website, register as a newbie (Comodo doesn't even validate email addresses), and post that CIS is only for fools who fornicate with goats.  ;)  Otherwise try to be civil about the whole thing-it is all only computer programs, afterall.  There are lots of good AV products out there, and someday Comodo hopes to be one of them.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: ronnycopeh on March 27, 2009, 11:19:00 PM
why so hostile
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: sded on March 27, 2009, 11:23:37 PM
Just a satirical comment about the ridiculousness of posting things like xxx is only for amateurs/ kids or similar remarks that go nowhere.  And taking the trouble to come to another vendors website and register just to do it.  Hope no one takes it seriously.  :)
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: ronnycopeh on March 27, 2009, 11:32:10 PM
I agree with you totally, if you don't like a product, just don't use it.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: sded on March 27, 2009, 11:43:17 PM
Lots of Comodo users appear happy with the directions the product is going (some do seem to wonder whatever happened to Threatcast); but lots of them still use Avast! with CIS FW/D+, and lots of other combinations by "Comodo users".  Use what combination makes you most comfortable; and when that changes use something else.  :)  Still think there are lots of other good and interesting products out there, most of which are compatible with Avast! if you want to use it as part of a combination.  Or wait to see where Avast! 5 goes compared to Comodo 4 or OA/EMSI or xxx-looks like suites are the new reality.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: Jahn on March 28, 2009, 12:25:44 AM
Actually, I'm pretty impressed with CIS 3.8.

I've used Comodo Firewall on two XP's for nearly three years with great success, and it consistently remains the best rated free firewall at Matousec.

I guess I was a bit shaken with Avast a few months ago when I found out it wasn't working properly (HERE (http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=41300.msg347349#msg347349)). So I decided to uninstall Avast (only on one system) and install CAV instead. The very first scan with CAV alerted on C:\Windows\mplayerplugin.dll for Unclassified Malware@8381850. A scan at VirusTotal (http://www.virustotal.com/analisis/4db0991d40cc63e410a8c381c5dfdbc5) (file re-scanned for this post, notice Avast still doesn't detect it) revealed 21/39 various hits for trojan, adware/spyware, high risk worm, etcetera. To be fair though, the file wasn't detected either by MBAM, SAS, RemoveItPro, Dr. Web CureIt, or Kaspersky AVK. Before someone tells me to submit the file to Avast, I've already tried and none of my email providers (except ISP based) will accept zipped files.

A point of interest: There are very few requests for help to remove malware on the Comodo Forum. The ones I see are all from newbies who have just installed the program and are trying to get rid of pre-existing problems.

I know Comodo isn't for everyone, but it works for me. Heck, any software, especially security software, is a crapshoot anymore.   

Signed: A Comodo Fanboy

P.S. CAV is much lighter on resources than Avast.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: Mr.Agent on March 28, 2009, 01:15:28 AM
Comodo is lighter yeah but does he got a better scanner,detection........ than avast ? I didnt think :) Personally my self i would use Avast! because its got alot good scanner and detection rate so if u trust comodo stay with it because i heard alot bad thing about Comodo :) Well i see alot malicious web and virus that comodo didnt detect too each anti virus cant detect all virus of the world its true what i say but like i say Avast! is alway up to date and got a good scanner + detection. Avast! i never had a problem with it and its didnt take mush my ram for a good anti virus product that i trust :)

Mr.Agent
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: normishmael on March 28, 2009, 03:00:25 AM
Jahn said:"I know Comodo isn't for everyone, but it works for me."

Despite signing as a Comodo fanyboy,I thank that is a reasonable statement,
and one I certainly respect.
On the other hand,the maddening,interminable,incestant pop-ups do not work for
me.
I feel that most malware would have far less impact on the enjoyment of my computing experience than defence+ grinding away in my face.

As far as the absence of remove malware requests on Comodo,I feel that is akin to those people who frequent faith healers,and who maintain they are healed and healthy,despite evidence to the contrary.
If you are happy who cares!!
Viva Le Comodo!!
Just not on my machine.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: Giraffe on March 28, 2009, 10:00:08 AM
I use both Avast and Comodo; after testing various things, I've never found that Avast slows anything. Even the Web Shield makes no noticeable difference and has proved useful several times.

As for Comodo: the AV is Off; FW is good, tested against several sites; D+ can cause many pop-ups but these diminish as D+ 'learns' and then they're useful when something new occurs.

I've never seen any conflict between Comodo and Avast and I'll be staying with Avast for the foreseeable future as I feel that it is better than Comodo's AV and has more 'strings'.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: patrice58 on April 25, 2009, 03:45:45 AM
http://internetsecurity.comodo.com/updates/vdp/database.php nice amount of sigs for a "new" AV don't cha think?
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: Hermite15 on April 25, 2009, 12:09:27 PM
I think I've already stated it in this thread: anyway, for me CIS and Avast are both great products, period. Only problem I got with CIS is that I've replaced Vista with Seven in a permanent way now, and CIS, which is not optimized for Seven obviously, slows down the browsing to a crawl (in Seven). Too bad they won't at least make a beta for Seven at Comodo. Would be worth since Seven RC is out soon. On the other hand I can understand that they still focus exclusively on Vista, and that there might still be another version of CIS for Vista, which means also a beta in the plan. Guess I'll have to wait until later this year or early next year before I can run CIS again in good conditions.
 This said, Avast runs absolutely fantastic in Seven  ;)
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: Mr.Agent on April 25, 2009, 01:06:09 PM
i didnt say Comodo is bad but i can say their AV is really bad and i think Avast! AV and scan is really great
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: patrice58 on July 24, 2009, 10:34:25 PM
Yes of course but the AV at Comodo was a afterthought as they had D+ which should warn you to any unknown apps or programs which would try to access your system. It's a bit like avira as in you don't really know if it is working unless you get a FP or of course a virus then you get a pop up. With Avast I am still missing the turning "a" ball at least then you can see at a glance that it is working.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: Mr.Agent on July 25, 2009, 11:58:38 PM
Also now heard of their malicious toolbar so its not really great new. No for offense but i will stay with Avast! as its really trusted for me.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: patrice58 on July 26, 2009, 03:12:22 AM
There is and was nothing malicious about their toolbar and if you don't want it, you just untick the pre ticked box.

3 - What is COMODO HopSurf Toolbar?
COMODO HopSurf is a fully fledged community based web site rating and searching system(www.hopsurf.com). The toolbar brings these features and more to your browser for convenience.
I have to add tho that Comodo and toolbars have not had the greatest relationship. Tho I had the original ask.com comodo toolbar with the built in memory firewall. That soon got put in the bin. Not because there was anything wrong with it but I don't really want ask as a search engine, I already had their memory firewall anyway. So I had two programs that did the same thing from the same company.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: patrice58 on July 26, 2009, 04:19:55 AM
What a troll! If you don't wanna read it then erm I am trying to be polite read something else and go your own way. I was answering somebody else's comment about the hop search toolbar. Before that a comment about the standard of the AV.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: Fransb on July 26, 2009, 01:01:47 PM
Go away dude and go listen to Melih then, that says that Comodo AV is Better then Symantec,

I asked him and he said a AV is the last line of defence thats true, but my mom and dad cant use a HIPS that warn them every time a program opens, Defence+ is even worse then the Vista UAC that people dont like.

I dont want to give my mom and dad Defence+ or whatever id rather give them a other Virusscanner that does everything for them.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: patrice58 on July 26, 2009, 01:48:59 PM
Ha ha ha ha ha he never said that, he commented on their claim that paid AV's is miles better then free ones.As for your mum and dad well you can always turn off defence + but of course you did not think of that.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: Hermite15 on July 26, 2009, 02:29:57 PM
it's so pointless to argue about that, again and again, when everyone should understand that Comodo AV is work in progress guys, work in progress. May be it will become a good competitor for Avast, Symantec and the rest one of these days but it's not the case yet, it's far from being the case and they know it at Comodo.
 Just do like I do, if you want CIS, take the firewall and Def+, and leave the AV where it belongs, unchecked in the setup process  ;D

 I mean how come that some don't understand that and still want to compare Comodo AV to advanced and confirmed powerful anti-virus products, why the hell do you keep doing that  ???
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: .: L' arc :. on July 26, 2009, 03:20:43 PM
There is and was nothing malicious about their toolbar and if you don't want it, you just untick the pre ticked box.

3 - What is COMODO HopSurf Toolbar?
COMODO HopSurf is a fully fledged community based web site rating and searching system(www.hopsurf.com). The toolbar brings these features and more to your browser for convenience.
I have to add tho that Comodo and toolbars have not had the greatest relationship. Tho I had the original ask.com comodo toolbar with the built in memory firewall. That soon got put in the bin. Not because there was anything wrong with it but I don't really want ask as a search engine, I already had their memory firewall anyway. So I had two programs that did the same thing from the same company.


Comodo Sells Out To HopSurf, Loses Sight Of Priorities: http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=46737.0
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: patrice58 on July 26, 2009, 03:47:20 PM
Your right the AV is the weakest link in the comodo chain and even then it is quite new in human terms it's still a baby not yet a toddler but I don't agree with your advanced and powerful AV comment as how to judge what is "powerful" and what is not? You can't really judge a AV as what one does not pick up the other one's mostly will.  One way is the amount of sigs they have but that's not fair as loads of sigs does not make a great AV. By malware testing well that is the fairest way but even that has it's problems.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: Hermite15 on July 26, 2009, 05:25:53 PM
Your right the AV is the weakest link in the comodo chain and even then it is quite new in human terms it's still a baby not yet a toddler but I don't agree with your advanced and powerful AV comment as how to judge what is "powerful" and what is not? You can't really judge a AV as what one does not pick up the other one's mostly will.  One way is the amount of sigs they have but that's not fair as loads of sigs does not make a great AV. By malware testing well that is the fairest way but even that has it's problems.

if you don't agree with those things I mentioned, how to you manage to figure out that Comodo AV is the weakest link in the Comodo chain  ??? I wasn't talking about virus definitions by the way, but detection methods...how do you choose an AV product ?
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: patrice58 on July 26, 2009, 06:44:25 PM
I am saying it is the weakest because it is the youngest. It is there or there about's at the moment and it is getting there quicker then any other AV has done in such a short space of time. I know you was not talking about virus defs but I was covering what makes a AV "powerful" now your asking me how I picked my AV. Well If Comodo was not a suite I would of most likely used Avast and if Avast worked on my system I would of used that, and turned off Comodo's AV and used it as a on demand scanner. The suite at Comodo comes with a firewall and defence + as well as Comodo memory firewall (for buffer overflows) and CBOclean all built in. When Avast 5 comes out I will be the first to give it a run for it's money. As for detection methods I have covered that with this statement. "You can't really judge a AV as what one does not pick up the other one's mostly will." In saying that would I use the AV as a stand alone? No way Jose! With the suite as a whole if gives excellent (I believe) protection. Am I am fanboy? I don't think I am but of course everybody has their own mind and can judge for themselves.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: patrice58 on July 26, 2009, 06:55:07 PM
Comodo is lighter yeah but does he got a better scanner,detection........

That is the post of the whole thread as that is one thing we will never know. I will add cleanup to that list.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: Fransb on July 28, 2009, 01:14:34 PM
Ha ha ha ha ha he never said that, he commented on their claim that paid AV's is miles better then free ones.As for your mum and dad well you can always turn off defence + but of course you did not think of that.

Comodo without Defence+ is useless imo,


+ if my mom and dad dont have HIPS, what is there first line of defence???/ Comodo AV????, id rather give them Avast then :P.


+ comodo has potential i admit that but most of the comodo users say its the Best AV ever... but its not :P

Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: patrice58 on July 28, 2009, 09:09:37 PM
Ha ha ha ha ha he never said that, he commented on their claim that paid AV's is miles better then free ones.As for your mum and dad well you can always turn off defence + but of course you did not think of that.

Comodo without Defence+ is useless imo,


+ if my mom and dad dont have HIPS, what is there first line of defence???/ Comodo AV????, id rather give them Avast then :P.


+ comodo has potential i admit that but most of the comodo users say its the Best AV ever... but its not :P



C.I.S. without HIPS is just a firewall (which will still pass leak tests B.T.W.) In saying that, your first line of defence would be the firewall.
No one has said the AV is the best ever, come on now!  As for what is the best AV you need to look back at posts number 246 and 248 to see what I am trying to get at, which is there is no number 1 AV as they all have their pros and cons, just stick with the one that you think is best for you. As we all have different tastes as for example looking at tests Avira seems to be 1 of the best av's around so that means I use it right? Wrong I don't like it because it looks like it is not working, which is the same problem I have with Comodo's effort. but I may add with Comodo's AV if you have set up the suite correctly you will get a hips alert then a firewall alert then a AV alert going you loads of chances to save yourself. At least with Avast you see a nice spinning "a" ball. Which at a glance you know it's up and running.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: Fransb on July 30, 2009, 12:23:36 PM
ive never seen a firewall blocking Virusses, i blocks the information thats maybe outgoing to the hacker but it doesnt stop the virus infecting your computer.

it blocks malicous traffic but not if i download virus

but this will be a endless discussion :P, i dont like Comodo AV you do :P.      

imo comodo isnt mature enough for the normal users YET (that will come).
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: patrice58 on July 30, 2009, 09:34:06 PM
ive never seen a firewall blocking Virusses, i blocks the information thats maybe outgoing to the hacker but it doesnt stop the virus infecting your computer.

it blocks malicous traffic but not if i download virus
Your 100 per cent right but it's better to have a warning then nothing at all.

but this will be a endless discussion :P, i dont like Comodo AV you do :P.      

imo comodo isnt mature enough for the normal users YET (that will come).
I really don't think you have been understanding what I am saying, I did not say I like the Comodo AV if you check just a few posts before this one. I have said I would NOT have the AV as a stand alone product on my computer. What you should of said was I like C.I.S. (the suite) which yes I do. I like it because it offers the best protection for me AT this time. If that changes so will I. You said you don't like Comodo well which part Comodo firewall pro or the AV or the suite which is called Comodo Internet Security? Why don't you like whatever product it is? If it's because of the pop ups, lots of work has been done in that area so now it is almost silent.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: patrice58 on October 29, 2009, 06:06:43 AM
For all who wanna see the truth come out about Comodo and believe me this is HOT check this out. http://forums.comodo.com/empty-t46660.0.html;topicseen
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: Vladimyr on October 29, 2009, 07:40:26 AM
Kevin's side of the story is so bizarre as to be barely believable... were it not for the fact that it ties in so well with the observed CIS issues.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: Dch48 on October 29, 2009, 07:52:08 AM
I am saying it is the weakest because it is the youngest. It is there or there about's at the moment and it is getting there quicker then any other AV has done in such a short space of time. I know you was not talking about virus defs but I was covering what makes a AV "powerful" now your asking me how I picked my AV. Well If Comodo was not a suite I would of most likely used Avast and if Avast worked on my system I would of used that, and turned off Comodo's AV and used it as a on demand scanner. The suite at Comodo comes with a firewall and defence + as well as Comodo memory firewall (for buffer overflows) and CBOclean all built in. When Avast 5 comes out I will be the first to give it a run for it's money. As for detection methods I have covered that with this statement. "You can't really judge a AV as what one does not pick up the other one's mostly will." In saying that would I use the AV as a stand alone? No way Jose! With the suite as a whole if gives excellent (I believe) protection. Am I am fanboy? I don't think I am but of course everybody has their own mind and can judge for themselves.

My feelings exactly. Avast! is more powerful and feature rich when compared to Comodo AV on it's own. However, within the total package of CIS, the AV performs it's function very well and there is no need to use any other anti virus program instead of it. It's detection rate is now very high.

 I have only been using CIS since version 3.8, so I have no experience with the earlier versions
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: Sesame on October 29, 2009, 11:57:34 AM
Kevin's side of the story is so bizarre as to be barely believable... were it not for the fact that it ties in so well with the observed CIS issues.
You mean, "Kevin's side of the story is so bizarre that it would be barely believable...were it not for the fact..."?

If so, I agree that it's somehow convincing.  What struck me when I visited their boards was the clear lack of communication skill in some of their employees while the skill is said to be getting increasingly important among programmers since programming became more specialized into various brunches of specialized areas.  This is probably not enough reason for the majority to stop using their products, though.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: Vladimyr on October 29, 2009, 03:03:31 PM
You mean, "Kevin's side of the story is so bizarre that it would be barely believable...were it not for the fact..."?

Yes that's what I meant. Thanks for improving my post. :)

I'm surprised that the bit about "mad" Max reverse engineering NOD32 hasn't been removed. ESET might find it particularly interesting.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: Hermite15 on October 29, 2009, 03:24:05 PM
hard to take seriously a company allowing its internal issues to be exposed publicly anyway  ::) ...all the details given by its manager, this is so ridiculous.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: Osage on October 29, 2009, 09:08:57 PM
I have a somewhat a different take here. Namely that its my responsibility as an end user to protect my self from the " the bad guys"
who write malicious code. Bottom line, my cpu is simply a box of rocks without brain or logic,  that will run good or malicious code interchangeably.

If nothing else, I am not as fast as a cpu that will run malicious code within milliseconds, so therefore I must rely on other software that can prevent such code from running. Thankfully, there are a plethora of such "security" programs freely available on both a freeware and commercial basis. Some may offer better detection than others, some may be more bloated than others, but none of them are perfect. And worse yet, any security program uses  cpu cycles as a form of a tax on the computer system. And because an active anti virus program guards against only the worst threats, AV's have the highest potential for bloat.

With lesser type threats being more the Provence of spyware type programs that tend to be less active and rely on after the fact removal in subsequent scans. The threats detected by an active anti virus is large enough as it is and sadly growing every day, including the vastly bigger data base of spyware type threats would mean any active anti virus would slow even the fastest computer to a crawl if it examined every incoming file for threats in its database.

And therefore I have to look at it also from the point of view of the hacker, they want to get me and I want to prevent it. So it becomes somewhat of a double risk reward problem. I can bloat my computer up with every anti malware program on the planet and thus slow my computer to a crawl while also risking my various anti malware programs conflicting among themselves, or I can go to very light or none at all, insuring my protection is inadequate, or I can try to find ways to whittle the problem down to size with a multilayered security system based on prevention and some redundancy. If one layer does not stop the threat before  it gets to the cpu, one needs other layers that will.

So, IMHO a security system needs more than just a firewall, an active anti virus, and more passive anti spyware programs that will help make the life of spyware programs that slip through nasty brutish and short. And that what extra is needed is HIPs and HOST files, process control programs that will not allow new code to run without seeking user permission under the theory that if it can't install it can't infect, plus some gasp user self education on how to surf safely. And without that latter step, no amount of software programs can protect anyone. I should also mention that the OS and browsers continually needs patching, secunia can alert us to other programs that need patched for security holes, and the best single step is to web surf using a limited account with a full software restriction policy. Or one can run a virtual OS that when infected can be dumped and replaced with a clean copy.

But when it comes to the comodo firewall or the somewhat similar on line armor firewall, they are not really all that different from any other multilayered security system. They simply incorporate traditional firewall function while adding HIP Host files with process control. Meaning you get all in one program rather than having to use multiple programs. But when it comes to adding an AV to comodo, I do not think comodo antivirus part has the detection rates to be even remotely resembling competitive with any of the better commercial and freeware anti virus programs  at this point in time. Maybe in the distant future comodo CIS will become a viable choice, but until then, I will continue to use the comodo firewall but will pass on the CIS. But I can sure understand that a programming team can differ on approaches, so I read nothing into Kevin leaving Comodo.

As for the security system I use, it seems to keep both my wife's and my computer free from problems for many years running. But I keep changing some things to try to get better protection while going as lean as possible. But we all still make our choices while taking our chances. And IMHO, with the huge supply of almost unprotected computers to hack, why should the bad guys work extra hard to get my computers?

But I eagerly await AVAST 5 final for my wife's computer, as for me, I still use Avira. What tips the balance in my mind is the email pre screening that Avast has and Avira personal lacks. But who know, Avast 5 may cause me to switch.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: hyjaxltd on October 30, 2009, 02:00:16 AM
...Uninstall Comodo ...

yea, right ???.  Your better off just reformatting and reinstalling your OS from srcatch.  I still dont think they get everything they need to, or maybe they just dont leave things the way they were...anyhow, its a feat left for Christ :o.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: Dch48 on October 30, 2009, 03:46:32 PM
It is not hard to uninstall Comodo at all, but why would anyone want to?
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: patrice58 on November 15, 2009, 03:05:57 PM
Amen to that  ;)
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: Hermite15 on November 15, 2009, 03:12:02 PM
the post you refer to is rather old (jan2009) and the poster never suggested to uninstall Comodo  ::) he only said he suggested to run Comodo FW and no CAV, which is wise enough. When quoting, quote an entire statement  ;)

Answer is yes but who really needs 2 AV ( these big dinausors I run them only from time to time and a full scan takes hours). I recommend using AVAST and Comodo FW. Uninstall Comodo AV, it's poor on virus detection. ;D
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: patrice58 on November 17, 2009, 10:46:29 PM
Lol check this out 1st the AV smokes people's computers and then they updated the suite and that smoked people's computers where will it end. 1st there was https://forums.comodo.com/feedbackcommentsannouncementsnews_cis/workaround_for_the_99_cpu_problem_with_the_latest_virus_db_updates-t46150.0.html and now there is https://forums.comodo.com/feedbackcommentsannouncementsnews_cis/update_cis_313119746572-t47633.0.html and ends with https://forums.comodo.com/feedbackcommentsannouncementsnews_cis/comodo_internet_security_313119746572_released-t47641.0.html
Title: Re:
Post by: superhacker on November 18, 2009, 12:09:35 AM
simply:
you cant compare between av and IS.but you can compare avast and CAV:avast better than cav in just about every thing except FP.
1 AV+1 BEHAVIOR BLOCKER+1 HIPS+1 FIREWALL+1 ANTI SPY WARE=0 INFECTION.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: normishmael on November 18, 2009, 03:12:32 AM
"1 AV+1 BEHAVIOR BLOCKER+1 HIPS+1 FIREWALL+1 ANTI SPY WARE=0 INFECTION."

Maybe,but I thank you can get that with a lot less.

On my system,running all that stuff in real-time,would cripple it
more effectively than most malware.
Title: Re:
Post by: superhacker on November 18, 2009, 08:19:16 AM
i use at this moment avast+threat fire+comodo firewall+its defense plus+mbam
and every thing work fine.
notice i usually change those products so for that i dont write signature like other brothers here
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: normishmael on November 18, 2009, 08:38:46 AM
Ah,Lataafif,MashAllah.
I understand,Akh.
Wa As-Salaamu Alikyum Wa RahmatuAllah,Wa Barakakatu.

(I am Muslim revert from America).
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: Shiw Liang on November 18, 2009, 09:14:11 AM
Maybe we should not enter malicious sites also because they can't assure 100%protection^^
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: patrice58 on November 18, 2009, 11:40:09 AM
revert huh don't you mean convert?
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: normishmael on November 18, 2009, 10:56:40 PM
OFF TOPIC: We use the term "revert" rather than convert,because we believe ever child is born in submission to God,and is hence a Muslim.
if a person comes to Islam,from another religion,he is "Reverting" to his or her true nature.(Fitrah,in Arabic)
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: patrice58 on November 18, 2009, 11:04:59 PM
I am finding it hard to learn the Salah myself.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: Hermite15 on November 18, 2009, 11:14:32 PM
OFF TOPIC: We use the term "revert" rather than convert,because we believe ever child is born in submission to God,and is hence a Muslim.
if a person comes to Islam,from another religion,he is "Reverting" to his or her true nature.(Fitrah,in Arabic)

off topic again:  :D
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: normishmael on November 19, 2009, 09:12:28 AM
I am finding it hard to learn the Salah myself.

Yes,I remember that,I had books open in front of me,with transliterations of the Arabic,and I always lost my place.
Some letters,(Ayin,Gyin,even Hamza are not natural to the English speaker.)
It comes in time,InshaAllah.

Yes Logos,I know how the French feel about Muslims.
The feeling is reciprocated.
I was only replying to the the Syrian Brothers post.

Relax.
No harm to the Republic Intended.
Title: Re: Avast home vs CIS (Comodo Internet Security)
Post by: Vlk on November 19, 2009, 09:54:53 AM
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